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Questions your pastor will hate...

Postby 'X' » March 6th, 2007, 10:40 pm

When I was kid, I loved to ask my minister questions about things that, to my young mind, made no sense when I read them in the Bible or more likely heard them in Sunday school. His answers were always rather bland and not a little aloof since, after all, he was the pastor and I was just a kid.

I remember asking about how humans and dinosaurs could coexist. After all, they had to be a part of the creation story, even though not mentioned specifically. Or why would dinosaurs be taken on the ark, only to go extinct such a short time after? And how do you cage a T-Rex or fit a Brontosaurus on such a boat, much less a pair of all sorts?

I got a lot of looks but very few answers. As the years went by, I concluded that none of it was either possible or even addressed in the Bible. I realized humans and dinosaurs had nothing in common (unless you live in the SE USA) and the pastor was either ignorant, deliberately deceptive or hung up somewhere in between himself, not knowing what to say to a kid. I honestly think I would have appreciated knowing what I suspect he knew, that being the story of Noah was fiction and I didn't have to worry about dinosaurs or polar bears for the matter on the ark. It never happened.

I remember asking why the Bible, a book which had to know better since it was written by God himself, said Joshua raised his hands and the "sun stopped for the space of about a day," when clearly it would be the earth that stopped rotating? I asked him how oceans would not slop out of their basins in such a scenario and drown the whole world? I asked him if humans would not be cast into space by such a sudden stop of the entire planet? I even asked if this really happened, why did no one else on the whole planet notice it, or write about it? I got that dumb look again.

I even asked him what would happen to my handicapped brother, who could neither hear, speak or see and thus had no way to become a Jesus accepting Christian. He told me he was saved automatically. Wow! How cool. I, on the other hand, would have to risk getting my beliefs correct or go to hell. Bummer.

I asked what about all those in history and even now who have never heard of Jesus. He said they all are saved in their ignorance, though another minister I asked said they all go to hell of some sort. So depending on who you ask, the ignorant either get an automatic free pass for their trouble or go to hell, having no awareness of what they did to deserve that! Hmmmm. Something ain't right here!

I did respond by asking him why then we should send missionaries and put the ignorant at risk, when if we just leave them alone, they can make it in their ignorance of never having heard the only name under heaven by which a man can be saved. I got the look again.

Our denomination believed in predestination, a very strange belief if you asked me as a kid. So God already knows who is in and who is out, and even if you are one of the outwardly good guys, you could be on the outs with God. The minister said yes. Hmmm, so a killer might actually have it made, while the minister was predestined to be lost? Big look there! He said that one could tell by their fruits who God probably had already predestined to be saved. This was getting confusing to me so I dropped it. I later read that John Calvin, the founding father of our particular denomination, chased a former heretic friend all over Europe for disagreeing with him theologically, and had him burned at the stake. Wow, these theologians are seriously serious people! Sounds like as long as you are a Church Father, you can do this kind of thing and get away with it. I began to think that up to this point, most of the answers I had been given were just someone's educated guesses or ideas, but had no basis in fact.

I went to a Christian college to study these things. Boy if you think I had questions as a kid!


"Why did God not like Cain's vegetable sacrifice but loved Abel's cooked meat?" Answer...Vegetarians are weak Christians.

"Who was Cain afraid would kill him when God put him out of the Garden for killing Abel? There were mom, dad, bro and himself on the whole planet at the time." Answer...He must have known his sisters were going to have kids with dad, no not that. He was speculating. Cain wasn't thinking very clearly that day.

"Why would God stop the whole earth for a day so Israelites could finish a genocide against the enemy?" I mean, I can see stopping it so there is more time to hug, or feed the hungry, or plant the crops, but more time to kill? Dumb story. Answer...God hates sin and had to kill the bastards, he just needed more time than he planned on."

"How come the horses in the Exodus die twice in the Ten Plagues and still survive for Pharoah to mount a final attack against the Israelites, and then die again." Answer...Where do you get this stuff?

"Why, no matter what, is it always the human's fault and God never gets any blame for not making good on his promises?" Answer...It's a mystery. Have faith. God's ways are not your ways.

"Why does the Apostle Paul, who writes most of the New Testament, NEVER quote Jesus, tell a story of his life or death, discuss a miracle or teaching?" Answer...Where do you get this stuff?

"Why does neither Mark nor John know anything about Jesus birth, while Matthew and Luke do but tell contradictory stories?" Answer...Because the Gospels are like four people who see a car wreck...

"Why does Paul only say Jesus was born of a woman like everyone else?" Answer...Paul was concerned about the risen Jesus, not the earthly one. He was too busy to check up on the details.

"Did Paul ever spend five minutes with the real human Jesus?" Answer..well no, but Paul's Jesus is the risen Jesus, it doesn't matter.

"Isn't it strange the man who writes most of the New Testament and tells us all how to live, think and believe about Jesus, never met him, while the Twelve who did, vanish into thin air and write nothing/" Answer...You ain't from around these parts are you boy.

"How come Jesus never wrote anything himself while alive, but then writes perfect Greek after he is dead in the form of the Book of Revelation?" Answer....He finished his PHD in Heaven.

"If Herod killed all the little children under two to get at Jesus, who escaped, can we not say the little children had to die for Jesus before he died for them?" Answer...No we can't, sheesh.

"How come Herod couldn't follow the Star of Bethlehem himself to find Jesus, but sent others to report back when they found him?" Answer...He was busy.

"How could Mary leave town after being warned of Herod's intentions and never tell the women in the town, their kids were about to be butchered?" Answer...she was under oath not to tell the Angel story.

"Do you think Mary thought, 'I know something you don't know,' as she left town?" Answer...you're sick.

"How could Jesus family flee to Egypt sometime during the first two years in one story but go home to Narareth quietly after 40 days in the other?" Answer...It's a miracle.

"How come in Mark 3 Mary and his brothers came to get Jesus and take him home because they thought he was "mad" which I assume means insane. Did Mary forget who he was and how he got here?" Answer...shut up.

"How come Matthew uses the Old Testament to weave a story of Jesus, where every quote he uses has absolutely nothing to do with the point he is making about Jesus birth?" Answer...While we might flunk you for such methods, we give Matthew an A, because, well, he's Matthew. Bible guys get to do and say things you're not allowed to.

"If Jesus was asked 'who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind?', would that not imply the man had sinned before his birth, perhaps in a previous life, if his blindness at birth was some kind of punishment? I mean, the blindness was from birth, so the sin had to be before that." Answer...Ummm.., no. Whatever the answer, it's definately not that one.

"So is it just me, or are these good questions to ask about the text and theology of the Bible?" Answer...It's just you. While we might be marginally informed ourselves, we are very piously convicted of our answers. The wisdom of man, and this would be you in this case, is foolishness with God. You're fired and have a nice day.
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Postby 'X' » March 6th, 2007, 10:41 pm

There you go aghost...lol
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Postby black » March 6th, 2007, 11:49 pm

:lol: :lol:
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Postby A Ghost » March 7th, 2007, 12:59 am

'X' wrote:There you go aghost...lol


LOL I dont have tike to read it now but I will :lol: thanks
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Postby king phoenix » March 7th, 2007, 7:52 pm

How come the horses in the Exodus die twice in the Ten Plagues and still survive for Pharoah to mount a final attack against the Israelites, and then die again." Answer...Where do you get this stuff?
lol thats the best one out of all of them :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby worldwide » March 8th, 2007, 1:15 pm

wow!!!

the reason i believe GOD chose to use paul, who was saul of tarsis,
is that he had a passion for what he was doing, which was persecuting followers of Christ, but! GOD saw what good could become of that passion
so he took his sight, and gave him a new vision to persue...
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Re: Questions your pastor will hate...

Postby A Ghost » April 9th, 2007, 9:29 pm

'X' wrote:Isn't it strange the man who writes most of the New Testament and tells us all how to live, think and believe about Jesus, never met him, while the Twelve who did, vanish into thin air and write nothing/" Answer...You ain't from around these parts are you boy.


ROFL!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby A Ghost » April 9th, 2007, 9:29 pm

worldwide wrote:wow!!!

the reason i believe GOD chose to use paul, who was saul of tarsis,
is that he had a passion for what he was doing, which was persecuting followers of Christ, but! GOD saw what good could become of that passion
so he took his sight, and gave him a new vision to persue...


Im willing to bet people are blind because there eyes dont work :wink:

Simple as that
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Postby MiChuhSuh » April 9th, 2007, 10:00 pm

ghost man......
if your eyelid tissue was became inflamed and puffed up to the point where you couldn't open them, you wouldn't be able to see not matter how well your eyes worked. Your one-line insults are becoming less and less thought out
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Postby A Ghost » April 9th, 2007, 10:07 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote:ghost man......
if your eyelid tissue was became inflamed and puffed up to the point where you couldn't open them, you wouldn't be able to see not matter how well your eyes worked. Your one-line insults are becoming less and less thought out


The point I was trying to make is that people blame God for things that have NOTHING to do with the supernatural
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Postby se11 » April 11th, 2007, 10:39 am

since we are taking cheap shots at religion here somethings you can also ask people that teach the koran.

why do people strap a bomb to themselvs and blow up innocent people in the name of "allah" every single day in several different islam nations?

why the Taliban felt it was necessary to ruin a bueatiful Afghanastan and turn it into a hell hole it is today?

why do women in your society have to wear vails over their faces and get treated like animals?

i mean, i don't look down on others religion or tell them what to believe in, but you people clearly have a prejudice twords christianity, and you feel that "islam" is the way to go and its the immaculate religion and you try to put down others beliefs because they are not yours.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » April 11th, 2007, 12:55 pm

se11 wrote:since we are taking cheap shots at religion here somethings you can also ask people that teach the koran.

why do people strap a bomb to themselvs and blow up innocent people in the name of "allah" every single day in several different islam nations?

why the Taliban felt it was necessary to ruin a bueatiful Afghanastan and turn it into a hell hole it is today?

why do women in your society have to wear vails over their faces and get treated like animals?

i mean, i don't look down on others religion or tell them what to believe in, but you people clearly have a prejudice twords christianity, and you feel that "islam" is the way to go and its the immaculate religion and you try to put down others beliefs because they are not yours.



What about the Buddhas of Bamyan? Those crazy Taliban went and blow'd it up!
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Postby MiChuhSuh » April 11th, 2007, 1:03 pm

All of those things are against the Qu'ran.

why do people strap a bomb to themselvs and blow up innocent people in the name of "allah" every single day in several different islam nations?


I think that's the key word here, PEOPLE do it.
why the Taliban felt it was necessary to ruin a bueatiful Afghanistan and turn it into a hell hole it is today?

Because they are not from Afghanistan. Osama is from Saudi Arabia, and most of the Taliban/al-Quaeda were foreign (not from Afghnistan) Arabs and Asians. (Afghnistan is not Arab and Pakistan is Asian)

why do women in your society have to wear vails over their faces and get treated like animals?

Again, the key word here is SOCIETY.
The Qu'ran states that everything BUT the face and hands (and I believe feet) must be covered. So a veil over the face is not along the lines of either the Qu'ran or common sense (think about it and it's easy to see why those two parts are the exception).
i mean, i don't look down on others religion or tell them what to believe in, but you people clearly have a prejudice twords christianity, and you feel that "islam" is the way to go and its the immaculate religion and you try to put down others beliefs because they are not yours

I don't know who this quote was directed two, but I have to agree people put down religion here for no reason other the fact it's something to do that makes them feel superior.
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Postby A Ghost » April 11th, 2007, 1:07 pm

Its my opinion that there are extremists in ANY religion whether its Pat Roberts or the Taliban
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Postby 'X' » April 11th, 2007, 5:14 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....
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Postby se11 » April 11th, 2007, 8:07 pm

'X' wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....


yeah, but in almost every islamic nation people take innocent lives in the name of "allah" and what does the government or people in charge do about it? nothing OR they send people to go bomb their innocent followers. some religion....
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Postby johnnnny » April 12th, 2007, 4:20 am

'X' wrote:Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:



some people have a bad attitude eh, X, its hard to expose people for who they arent? Good luck with that
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Postby Sentenza » April 12th, 2007, 10:54 am

'X' wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....



Every Religion is what people make of it.....You got some fucked up Hinuds, Muslims and Christians etc.....What does this tell us about the Religion? Nothing. It just tells us that there are fucked up people.

Why is that so hard to understand?
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Postby EmperorPenguin » April 12th, 2007, 11:54 am

se11 wrote:
'X' wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....


yeah, but in almost every islamic nation people take innocent lives in the name of "allah" and what does the government or people in charge do about it? nothing OR they send people to go bomb their innocent followers. some religion....


You have all those same things happening around the world in the name of God, Yahweh, Satan, Ganeshu, Yoda, and frikking Santa Claus. You're not paying attention to other peoples posts here. It's about the PEOPLE doing it, not the God they say is telling them. These are all stupid people misinterpeting a religion, they're not people following a stupid religion. Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Osama Bin Laden, Charles Manson, Aum Shinrikyo, all sorts of stupid people are/were out there that put their crazy twists on religion and have followers kill in the name of whatever God they may have. It's not about the God or the religion, it's about the people themselves.
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Postby se11 » April 12th, 2007, 2:11 pm

Sentenza wrote:
'X' wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....



Every Religion is what people make of it.....You got some #%@& up Hinuds, Muslims and Christians etc.....What does this tell us about the Religion? Nothing. It just tells us that there are #%@& up people.

Why is that so hard to understand?


so what is the point of this whole article? to try to expose christianity as some sort of stupid mixed up religion and show how his "nation of islam" is so much better and makes more sense.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » April 12th, 2007, 3:23 pm

se11 wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
'X' wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....



Every Religion is what people make of it.....You got some #%@& up Hinuds, Muslims and Christians etc.....What does this tell us about the Religion? Nothing. It just tells us that there are #%@& up people.

Why is that so hard to understand?


so what is the point of this whole article? to try to expose christianity as some sort of stupid mixed up religion and show how his "nation of islam" is so much better and makes more sense.


Where did the article say that Islam was better and makes more sense? That's your reading into it. If you want to put up an article of Koran quotes showcasing it's stupidity then do it. You're pointing fingers at PEOPLE not religion and then wondering why an article points fingers at a religion itself. I'm not saying one religion is better then the other, but if I were I'd quote more sources then just complaining about followers instead of the teachings. You arguement has about as much merit as most of BornInvincibles arguements do.
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Postby se11 » April 12th, 2007, 3:36 pm

the point of this article is to make catholics look like idiots for following their religion. X is always posting things about how islam is good and how people find their way with islam. then he posts these articles making christianity look like a complete joke. if islam is somebody's way of faith, that's great, but because christianity doesn't work for you, don't go bash it and make a mockery of it.
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Postby A Ghost » April 12th, 2007, 6:24 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:
se11 wrote:
'X' wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:All of those things are against the Qu'ran.


Which proves the ignorance of Islam in america. Many believe as the clown who posted those "personal" beliefs. But as usual I'll ignore his bs like I do everything else and let his ignorance continue to expose him for what he is... :arrow:

Some good response though "miChuhSuh" ....


yeah, but in almost every islamic nation people take innocent lives in the name of "allah" and what does the government or people in charge do about it? nothing OR they send people to go bomb their innocent followers. some religion....


You have all those same things happening around the world in the name of God, Yahweh, Satan, Ganeshu, Yoda, and frikking Santa Claus. You're not paying attention to other peoples posts here. It's about the PEOPLE doing it, not the God they say is telling them. These are all stupid people misinterpeting a religion, they're not people following a stupid religion. Heaven's Gate, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Osama Bin Laden, Charles Manson, Aum Shinrikyo, all sorts of stupid people are/were out there that put their crazy twists on religion and have followers kill in the name of whatever God they may have. It's not about the God or the religion, it's about the people themselves.


Which is why its so stupid to blame or give credit to God.

Its all people
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Postby EmperorPenguin » April 12th, 2007, 8:46 pm

se11 wrote:the point of this article is to make catholics look like idiots for following their religion. X is always posting things about how islam is good and how people find their way with islam. then he posts these articles making christianity look like a complete joke. if islam is somebody's way of faith, that's great, but because christianity doesn't work for you, don't go bash it and make a mockery of it.


Well I tend to believe anyone is an idiot for following any religion blindly and without asking questions. I still question your method in which you question this article and then throw it back on Islam with poor examples. It just showcases that you have a bigger problem with X then you do of this actual article itself.
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Postby se11 » April 12th, 2007, 9:10 pm

i have a problem with anyone who posts article after article trying to humiliate peoples faith. i dont go around "things your rabbi will flip over" or "things that make no sense in the silly quran" because i'm not jewish or muslim. just respect peoples faith, its the only thing they'll always have and because you don't like it doesn't give you a right to bash it.
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Postby 'X' » April 12th, 2007, 9:11 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:

Well I tend to believe anyone is an idiot for following any religion blindly and without asking questions.


While I wont use the word "idiot"(lol) to describe those types, I agree with the above statement. I also know there are plenty of those who are afraid to CHALLENGE the beliefs or faith that they were trained to believe in because of various reasons, a couple being they are just too lazy to read and study up on it, or they are afraid they may come across a TRUTH that will shatter their current beliefs or faith.



EmperorPenguin wrote: I still question your method in which you question this article and then throw it back on Islam with poor examples.



I couldn't agree more. And did you REALLY see those terrible examples of Islam he gave? Typically blind, ignorant, strewd view of Islam. Just the way america wants the world to view it as.


EmperorPenguin wrote: It just showcases that you have a bigger problem with X then you do of this actual article itself.



There is no need for me to respond to any of his bs, a few of you do a good job of keeping him straight...But he is funny to me, because over a year ago I think, he said he was never clicking another thread started by X again, but yet he some how keeps popping up in these threads..lol
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Postby se11 » April 12th, 2007, 9:17 pm

I couldn't agree more. And did you REALLY see those terrible examples of Islam he gave? Typically blind, ignorant, strewd view of Islam. Just the way america wants the world to view it as.


i don't know anything about islam, nor do i really care. but i still respect them and their heritage and i don't shit all over their beliefs, the way you do to christians.
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Postby 'X' » April 12th, 2007, 9:25 pm

se11 wrote:
I couldn't agree more. And did you REALLY see those terrible examples of Islam he gave? Typically blind, ignorant, strewd view of Islam. Just the way america wants the world to view it as.


i don't know anything about islam


Tell me something I dont know...


se11 wrote: i have a problem with anyone who posts article after article



Just think, if you did what you said you were going to do over a year ago and not click my threads, you wouldnt know the content in them to complain about...Again, go in these corny gang threads and get angry at some of them in those threads and share your views of what you think about them for what they are posting.
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Postby se11 » April 12th, 2007, 9:59 pm

do you not shit all over christian beliefs like they are a complete joke? you have no respect for anything you don't agree with or isn't like you.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » April 13th, 2007, 8:26 am

'X' wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:

Well I tend to believe anyone is an idiot for following any religion blindly and without asking questions.


While I wont use the word "idiot"(lol) to describe those types, I agree with the above statement. I also know there are plenty of those who are afraid to CHALLENGE the beliefs or faith that they were trained to believe in because of various reasons, a couple being they are just too lazy to read and study up on it, or they are afraid they may come across a TRUTH that will shatter their current beliefs or faith.



Asking questions is why I don't consider myself a follower of the catholic religion anymore.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » April 13th, 2007, 8:45 am

se11 wrote:
I couldn't agree more. And did you REALLY see those terrible examples of Islam he gave? Typically blind, ignorant, strewd view of Islam. Just the way america wants the world to view it as.


i don't know anything about islam, nor do i really care. but i still respect them and their heritage and i don't shit all over their beliefs, the way you do to christians.


If you truly don't care about islam and you respect it, why bother replying like you did earlier? I find it hard to believe you respect it given your statements. Either way, if that's how you feel why let these posts bother you? They're raising questions and telling people to keep an open mind regardless of any religion. Every teachings out there have strange and stupid stories. It's what you take from them and how you interpet them that matters most. If you feel the poster of this thread delivered the message in a deeming way, take it up with him not the article itself.

I'll put it in the simplest terms. You don't like X not the threads in which he posts. You make that painfully obvious and it seems childish. Or at the very least if you are going to try to dispute an article, bring better examples then you did here. You basically said "Islam followers are stupid!" then followed that up with "Well I actually don't KNOW anything about islam." Bravo, you r teh winnar.
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Postby se11 » April 13th, 2007, 9:08 am

You basically said "Islam followers are stupid!" then followed that up with "Well I actually don't KNOW anything about islam." Bravo, you r teh winnar.


all i want is for people to show respect to other peoples faith. unless your worshiping the devil or some ridiculous cult, many people find salvation in faith and take it to heart. who is anybody to go and try to shit on someone elses beliefs. if that doesn't work for you, leave it alone, don't mock it.
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