Confronting Prison Rape

[Invincible]

Muggers want money for things other than food. A hungry man steals food from a store or market. No need for weapons or violence.

No I wouldn't rob somebody at gun point to feed my family. I'd get some crappy piece of shit job and try and earn some sort of honest living. And yes if you commit a violent crime against somebody and get ass raped then that's your problem not mine. If you point a gun at somebody then you intend to use it. I don't care if you have to feed your family find another way to do it instead of victimizing some innocent who is trying to earn a living.

And if some piece of trash every did this to one of my friends/family members getting ass raped would be the least of his worries if I got a hold of them before the law did.

[wcrockets]

That about it CM. Whites criminals have to be down and ready to walk the line if they going to do crime because Lord knows if they can't get off they gonna do some hard time. I know a Peckerwood with 2 strikes off a main line that walked the walk inside with his bros no problem but he's now in a recovery home changing his life around. The thought of doing 26 to life is not even in his vocabulary anymore. He's changing and making it and has a message for white guys: Don't do stupid things that get you in prison!

All these young white guys (can't even call them men) breaking in to someone elses property to get money for their habit or thinking it's funny to get 3 or 4 502's or whatever gets them landed at State, stealing at work, man.. I shudder to think of the consequences for a lot of them. Hindsight is 20/20 and there's a world of them out there wishing they could go back and do it differently. I wish they could too. Peace.

[Invincible]

check this out (getting spooned):
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2 ... 2/memphis/

And this is just a holding jail.

[wcrockets]

^^ Yeah that's some nasty living there for sure.

[RedWhiteBlue]

My thoughts:

If you are afraid you'll be took in jail, then you probably should be. A mans man would never fear this. Do you get punked or taken in the real world? THen u will you inside. The strong survive and the weak are expoited....much like real life. The new cats are more at risk, and yeah, there are lots of queens that give it up b/c they like it... Tatta's post is on point. It also depends on where you are in, some places are worse than others for it. hard timers have nothing to lose and a smooth young bwoy is as close as they get to p^ssy, so they adapt to their envirnmt. Plus men get crazy without freedom & p^ssy. Gambling/Drug debts, acting tough when you got nobody, and being pretty dont help you. Like that post about that CO, even the biggest get took though. PRofile in the wrong block/house and get a train run on you. MOst people dont mess with that BS though, and if youre str8, make some decent friends/allies, and stay outta trouble while keeping your honor, you dont have any probs. Still reading some of these...

[Kemosave]

This is insane http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/finalprison.html

[Common Sense]

That was hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Institutional homosexuality......is still GAY.

[Kemosave]

I put that in there not because I thought it was funny (although I did on a purely joke level) but because I wanted to use that as the lead in for this article whereas a real victim comments on that song being played by a guard while he was being victimized in prison. The point being there really is nothing funny about it. Check out the article Common Sense by a former inmate:

http://www.counterpunch.org/steve08012003.html

Here's a guard's perspective:

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/RapeInPrison.html

[Common Sense]

I put that in there not because I thought it was funny (although I did on a purely joke level) but because I wanted to use that as the lead in for this article whereas a real victim comments on that song being played by a guard while he was being victimized in prison. The point being there really is nothing funny about it. Check out the article Common Sense by a former inmate:

http://www.counterpunch.org/steve08012003.html

Here's a guard's perspective:

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/RapeInPrison.html

The cartoon was funny......not the concept of prison rape. The articles were interesting as well as disturbing. I think rapist no matter in prison or on the outside should be dealt with severly.

[Kemosave]

This is an especially horrid account:

http://www.spr.org/en/sprnews/2003/1009.html

This guy was looking for a cause and I guess he found it but died from Aids as a result of the experience.

[crackerjack]

This is my first post to these forums. Gotta start somewhere, right?

I've never been to the pen, so I can't speak from experience. But I've read all of your posts, including all of the articles, and it sounds to me like prison rape is a serious problem. I'm a middle-class white guy with no street smarts, and I know FOR SURE I'd get raped in prison. Or at least I'd die defending myself against it. I feel for the guys that are in for stupid stuff like shoplifting. Those guys don't deserve that s**t. But to be honest, the guys that are in for more serious crimes, I don't care what happens to them.

You won't ever find me in prison, though. Some of you sound like career criminals and know WAY too much about prison life. I have some advice for you. Get a job. Stay out of trouble. Go to college. Get out of the hoods and barrios. Those places are tickets to jail or the grave.

[Kemosave]

Welcome to the forum. The hardcore bangers living between the street corner and a jail cell aren't the ones being raped when they hit County and then maybe the pen. Statistically soft young white males with no gang ties are the ones that get it. You fit the profile so yeah don't go!

I also agree with you that the jail/prison system in California is a grinder that sometimes spits the survivors out after it's done with them. I mean it's not Maine here you know! The ones that escape may still die as a result via Aids, Hepatitis, or psych issues. Of course the hardest ones just walk right back to their crime if you can believe that.

As for your simple solution of "Get a job. Stay out of trouble. Go to college. Get out of the hoods and barrios.", white boy that is easy for you who has no real conception of what it means to grow up in say Nickerson Gardens or Jordan Downs. You need to learn what that means. Stick around.

[Common Sense]

You won't ever find me in prison, though. Some of you sound like career criminals and know WAY too much about prison life.
I have some advice for you. Get a job. Stay out of trouble. Go to college. Get out of the hoods and barrios.
Those places are tickets to jail or the grave.

Welcome Cracker Jack:
If you can avoid prison..... do it.

Getting a job for some in today's market is extremely difficult. Especially with corporate downsizing the last few years, employers not willing to hiring ex-cons, ex-cons with no education (i.e. h.s. diploma) and no history of educational success. In most major cities..living in the suburbs is very expensive as a matter of fact..living anywhere that's desirable is not cheap, so some are stuck in the ghetto/barrio because of economical reason. I'm sure if most had the means they would move. Rap stars that make it..usually move.

[crackerjack]

You're right, I don't know. I mean no disrespect. Maybe it's harder to stay out of trouble than I think when you grow up in Nickerson Gardens or Jordan Downs. But surely it's not impossible.

But to stay on the subject... Why is there no solidarity amongts the whites? You'd think that if they were the ones getting it up the *ss every night they'd come together for some protection. Seems pretty stupid.

[Kemosave]

Let me see if I can say it in English. You are raised from your earliest years to respect/represent your neighborhood/hood. If you do not do this you are basically lower than a rat and without protection. That's some serious peer pressure white boy. You are brought up in a culture that is completely adverse to what employers are looking for when they are hiring. And it is deep. From how you talk, where you're from, what you wear, the body language you learned, on and on and on and on and these are ingrained from your earliest memories. You can't just unlearn them in a short period of time and if you tried you would come under ridicule and persecution from your peers. If you have banged, your enemies might view the change as an opportunity to hit you. And where you going to move too? You think white folk are standing in line waiting to take you and all your baggage into their 1/2 million dollar and up homes? Geesh I think the average price of a home in Whittier for example is now $500k. Real estate has skyrocketed in Southern California over the last five years and the project prisoners are really stuck now. Come on get real. About the only chance is a kamakazi mission if you are too young to join the military or job corp. In other words, get on a bus and take it as far as you can, get off and approach a church and give it your best shot. If you LUCKY, it will work out. I know a kid that did this and was adopted but what are the odds really.

Next, whites are the minority in prison. Go reread all the posts and links in this area to see what that means. The few whites group together sure and they have a handful of prison gangs but they are blood in and blood out. Are you willing to do the deeds necessary to get in one and make a lifetime commitment (ie blood in and blood out)? Man if you end up in the joint with one older white guy five Mexicans and three Blacks do you think the one older white guy is going to save you? Get serious.

Come on Common Sense help me out here. Shine a light on this I'm painting a realistic (this is how it really is) but dark picture my brother. What are some ways a project kid can survive and move up?

[crackerjack]

Okay, I realize I'm naive in this area. I can understand what you're saying. I know that where I come from, it's just the opposite. If you don't grow up as an upstanding citizen, college-bound, etc., you're basically ejected from the community.

I guess here's what I'm saying to those who feel like they can't escape. Yeah, sure, maybe you'll be an outcast in your hood, maybe some dudes will want to kill you, whatever. But there is a world out there that anyone can go to get away from that sh**. You don't have to buy a 500k house. Damn, I can't afford a 500k house, not even close. There are apartments you can get in pretty nice neighborhoods for pretty cheap. It's possible. You can get out if you really want to. The problem is, some people who grow up bangin' don't want to or even realize they can get out of it. And hell no, you don't wait for some rich white folk to take you in, you do it yourself.

It's easy to keep doing what you're doing. It's harder (and more honorable) to take a stand and do what's right and make a decent life. And f**k the guys who dis you for trying.

That's my speech for the day.

[GUNJA SMOKIN]

4 real

[Common Sense]

The problem is, some people who grow up bangin' don't want to or even realize they can get out of it. And hell no, you don't wait for some rich white folk to take you in, you do it yourself.

It's easy to keep doing what you're doing. It's harder (and more honorable) to take a stand and do what's right and make a decent life. And f**k the guys who dis you for trying.

That's my speech for the day.

Kemosave was very articulate and detailed with his explaining. I will add that some fools in the hood is mentally challenged. Many are from 3rd and 4th generations of dysfuctional poverty stricken families. Many things you wrote about doesn't exist to some people. Have no clue what so ever. Also this is a lifestyle from birth for some. Don't know anything else. As horrible as some of these lifestyles are....it's comfortable for many.

FLIP SIDE:
There are outstanding citizens that live in the inner city and their lives are not chaotic. Good example "The Williams sister's" and many other unsung heroes. Just because you live in the ghetto doesn't mean your mind is of the ghetto.

The people your talking about... their mind is lost in the ghetto soon to become another social service statistic.

Here is a good example.
Your immediate family is ignorant.. all the way back to your grandparents. Most of your neighbors are ignorant. Most of the kids that go to your school is ignorant. Add to that no support system (no one there to say..try it this way not that way), no money, and no encouragement. So you become what you become. The lucky one's figure it out. Sometimes a having a child changes lives. Some may go into the military, and see life from a different angle for once. One or two may make it through sports or academics.

The unlucky one's are dead.

[hyjinx]

Well watch me jump right in like I have a clue...

I've been sitting at work all day reading this board and just sorta sitting in shock and sadness at what goes on in the world.

I'm not even sure how the hell I ended up here...surfin...link to link and poof there I was. But at any rate.

I'll start out by telling you right off the bat that I'm female and I'm white. I grew up in Colorado and had very little exposure to gangs (other than motorcycle gangs) while growing up. I grew up in a middle class (sorta) neighborhood and had it pretty damn good.

But when I was 17 I shipped off to school...that school had a large population of gang members from LA, Chicago and New York. I ended up being if not friends, at least acquantances with quite a few of those guys. And yes, there were several I considered friends.

I got sick to death of those kids (and they WERE kids) going home for breaks and never coming back. Lots of them didn't come back because during the 5 or 7 day "break" they got shot. What a waste. A lot of those guys were smart and talented.

And several of them WERE trying to get out. They were doing the steps they thought were necessary (like getting a trade) and ended up dead anyway. I really believe anyone who says "get over it and move on" doesn't have a clue. I sure as hell didn't. Not til I met those people.

It isn't that easy to just pick up and move out of poverty. It isn't that easy to just pick up and leave everything you know behind. Especially if you don't have tools to give you other options.

I wish I had answers. I don't. But anyone who says "get a job and move away" needs to buy a clue.

[Common Sense]

^^^Good point.

[dopekid127]

hyjinx..nice....good input

[Common Sense]

To babylimpy:

How often are you presented with prison rape cases?

Is this a well known fact within the correctional officer communtity?

What happens to a inmate charged with prison rape?

Do CO seek out silent victms of prison rape?

[babylimpy]

To babylimpy:

How often are you presented with prison rape cases? MORE SO THAN NEEDED.

Is this a well known fact within the correctional officer communtity?"OF PRISON RAPE(S) SEXUAL CONTACT,YES. ALSO ALOT OF GAY MEN,PUNKED OUT FOR SEX FAVOR(S).

What happens to a inmate charged with prison rape?ALOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN.FELONY SEXUAL ASSAULT(BUT RAPE)ETC ABOUT 1(ONE) YEAR MORE TO REGULAR SENTENCE (CHARGE)

Do CO seek out silent victms of prison rape?

SOME DO ,BUT EVERY GUARD IS DIFERENT HAS DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS

[Anonymous20]

I THINK IT IS A DAM SHAME HOW PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN JUS ABUSIVELY VIOLATE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING,IT'S SAD AND PAINFUL FOR ANY1 TO HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THIS HORRIBLE VIOLENT ACT.MAN,OR WOMAN STRONG,OR WEAK SHOULD ALWAYS HOLD THEIR HEAD UP IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION THEY'D ENDURED.I CAN RELATE AS AN ABUSED RAPE VICTIM AGAINST MY WILL.OUT OF JAIL....REGARDLESS WHETHER IN OR OUT ACTION SHOULD BE INFORCED SEVERLY.THE MAN THAT RAPED ME IS STILL IN JAIL IN BAREHILL FACILITY UPSTATE 13 YRS TO THIS DATE.I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CRACK AT HIM.

[Common Sense]

I CAN RELATE AS AN ABUSED RAPE VICTIM AGAINST MY WILL.OUT OF JAIL....REGARDLESS WHETHER IN OR OUT ACTION SHOULD BE INFORCED SEVERLY.THE MAN THAT RAPED ME IS STILL IN JAIL IN BAREHILL FACILITY UPSTATE 13 YRS TO THIS DATE.I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CRACK AT HIM.

I'm sorry to hear that you had to experience something so horrible and tragic. I hope you have been able to work through the issues with some help. Im sure it's not easy going through something like that alone.

[Kemosave]

Didn't you already? Didn't you already get up in front of a jury and point him out and tell your story? Wasn't the result him being locked down for years and in the files for the rest of his life. He'll suffer with what he did for the rest of his life whether or not he is remorseful.

[Invincible]

http://www.spr.org/en/survivorstories/dennismi.html

[jimmy_tee]

To what Kemosave and Crackerjack were talking about -
I"m from Australias so i'm not quite sure how jobs and opportunites work over in the states, but for hypothetical reasons let me throw a scenario your way.
Lets say a 17 year old black male living in ...watts? has never been in trouble with the law and basically just lived normally throughout his life not joininng gangs but not making trouble with them either. He produces average results at school and wants to attend college and leave his area. If his results aren't good enough for college or the colleges offered dont' have what he wants to study, where can he go?
In Australia, we have apprenticeships where you go apply to say a Mechanic or nearly any trade (Fitter and Turner, Printing Presses). The salary is on average $200 AUS a week and gets bigger every year until you are qualified in that field, usually takes 3 to 5 years.
Do you have these in America?
And what is just stopping some kids from getting small jobs and working their way up for a while?
Ok, Tell me i'm ignorant blah blah blah, how bout just answer the questions without a judgemental look into my middle-class suburban world.
catch

[Invincible]

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[Kemosave]

That is really a naive comment Invincible. It shows your ignorance in understanding the dynamics of psychology and sociology regarding the projects.

[Invincible]

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[Invincible]

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