Bastards of the Party: The De-Evolution of Bangin

[KINGFEAR62]

i dont think its out yet

[$outhPhillypuppet]

you can prolly download it if you know how.

[HateKiller]

Yo is it true that Cle Sloan was shot in April and now is in a wheelchair ?
Look @ his wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cle_Shaheed_Sloan

[alexalonso]

Yo is it true that Cle Sloan was shot in April and now is in a wheelchair ?
Look @ his wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cle_Shaheed_Sloan

I spoke to Bone last on May 4, 2007 and I think he would have mentioned something like that to me during that conversation, so I can say as of May 4, 2007, that rumor is not true.

[alexalonso]

Anywhodi know where I could get this DVD. Get atcha boi

it is not on DVD yet, but i am sure someone recorded it off HBO during Feb and march.

[Mcminister]

shows how reliable wikipedia is

[WIP]

shows how reliable wikipedia is

they even said Sinbad was dead. wikipedia is butt.

[KINGFEAR62]

how long did it take to make the movie and were all the dead homies at the end of the movie from apb or were some of them from other blood sets

[alexalonso]

how long did it take to make the movie and were all the dead homies at the end of the movie from apb or were some of them from other blood sets

most of the dead homies were from APB, and it took many years to tell that story, from about 1996 when the first interviews were completed to about 2005 when the last interviews were completed.

[Old Shatterhand]

Hey Silencioso,

I am as well. My roots go from the South after the Civil War to Southern California with some relatives arriving as part of the second wave migration that took place after WWII. What you're not understanding is the cultural environment that existed at that time.

After the Civil War, a good number of Southerners moved to LA and Southern California. And their post war auxiliaries outnumbered by a wide margin the post war Union auxiliaries in Southern California. Even today you can still go sit at a Roundtable in Los Angeles or Orange County and talk to the members of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans. The second wave of Southerners (black and white) came after WWII to fill all those factory jobs that had sprung up. I had family that worked in those factories. From this second wave formed the white streetgangs I heard my older relatives talk about and what you hear about here from Alonso.

Southern California was segregated just like the South was and all of the same prejudices existed. Southern California segregation in the schools didn't actually end until 1965 in Riverside. From the post Civil War period until the 1940's minorities, especially blacks, were limited to where they could own property and live. It wasn't until the very end of the 1940's with the Shelley v. Kraemer Supreme Court ruling that banned the legal enforcement of race-oriented restrictive covenants that blacks began to move into other areas. And all Hell broke loose when they did. The whites didn't like it at all.

Southern California in the early 1950s saw its share of racial violence. There were bombings, burning crosses, and even drive bys where whites would fire into black homes. White streetgangs would attack blacks traveling through white areas. I mean you have to realize there were leather jacket wearing white gangmembers in the fifties sporting a noose on the back of their jackets attending Dorsey High School. Think about that. That's in the Jungles now. There certainly were white racist streetgangs intent on maintaining the status quo at that time and they were in Los Angeles, Compton, Southgate, Downey, etc..

I'm a life long L.A. resident, so you don't have to tell me about L.A. history. I know there was racism against blacks, Mexicans and others.

I did a lot of research a while back on the early L.A. gang history - circa 1940's to mid 1960's -I didn't find any evidence of any big white racist gang population. Most of the white gangs I ran across were just the white version of the basic low rider/greaser/proto-cholo type gang of that era. Gangs like the Undertakers, Black Cross, Dragons, Athenians, Khans etc. Many gangs were mixed between whites and Mexicans or Mexicans and blacks. If there were other racist gangs like the Spook Hunters then name them. We know all the black gangs of that period, all the the Mexican gangs, all the car clubs, even the Japanese-American gangs from that period are known by name. If there had really been all those racist white boy gangs we'd have some names.

[Old Shatterhand]

Those white gangmembers of yesterday for the most part were not Nazis. They were patriotic Americans whose fathers had fought the Nazis. No, their racist beliefs were a carryover from the South. The current NS ideology you see in the white power gangs of today came out of the NS skinhead movement transplanted from Britain in the early 80's (that had existed there from the Teddy Boy culture of the 50's and the racist skinheads of the 60's) and the gangs that formed in prison and to a lesser extent pre-WWII groups and writers such as Rockwell that had existed since the 1920's that influenced them.

The idea that black gangs formed to fight white gangs is a little over played, I think. When ever people talk about white gangs attacking blacks during that period it's always the same gang - Spook Hunters. Where those guys really that powerful? They weren't even in South LA they were in Lynwood and South Gate.

they were the most racist because of the leather coats they had, with a black man being hung. They were in South Gate and Huntington Park and they would cross Alameda, which is South LA all the time. Do your research for the late 1940s. Noone said they were powerful, they were just present and they didn't like black people.

[Old Shatterhand]

I thought Sloan did a great job with it and the positivity he brought to it was appreciated by the viewing public.

how long did it take to make the movie and were all the dead homies at the end of the movie from apb or were some of them from other blood sets

most of the dead homies were from APB, and it took many years to tell that story, from about 1996 when the first interviews were completed to about 2005 when the last interviews were completed.

[KINGFEAR62]

he did a damn good job on that movie he should win for best documentry

[KINGFEAR62]

does anyone know if bone will make anymore documentrys or maybe going around to high schools where copy cat gangs are and showing the movie?????

[Old Shatterhand]

Sloan will be around the biz for a long time. He's only in his twenties and has his whole life in front of him.

does anyone know if bone will make anymore documentrys or maybe going around to high schools where copy cat gangs are and showing the movie?????

[mr 503]

I AGREE THIS WAS A GOOD DOCUMENTARY AND I LIKE HOW HE LOOKED FOR ANSWERS AND DIDNT USE THE SAME ANGLES AS ALL OTHER GANGSTER DOCS. HE WAS ABOUT EDUCATING I GET TIRED IF HEARING PEOPLE HYPING UP THEIR HOOD ON VIDEO AND SCREAMING A BUNCH OF BS. THIS WAS HANDS DOWN THE BEST IVE SEEN

[NICKELS]

YOUNG BLACK BROTHERS NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THIS AND KNOW THERE HISTORY , THIS IS YOUR HISTORY.

[NICKELS]

does anyone know if bone will make anymore documentrys or maybe going around to high schools where copy cat gangs are and showing the movie?????

BONE SHOULD START REAL SOON CAUSE LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE OF BLACK GANGS .......UNLESS HE FORGOT TO TEACH ABOUT THE TRUE HISTORY OF BLOODS WAS WHITE ...LMAO

http://www.freewebs.com/topic62/slobkshit.htm

['X']

He's only in his twenties

[NICKELS]

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S

[jungles]

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S

Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.

[NICKELS]

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S

Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.

YOUR TELLING ME THAT BONE FROM ATHENS PARK IS OVER 40 YEARS OF AGE ?

[NICKELS]

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S

Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.

"Nobody in gangs knew the history of gangs," he told me in a phone interview. "But it's actually linked to the black liberation movement. We're not just dysfunctional niggers who can't get our act together. There was a movement deferred. Instead of wearing blue and red rags today, we could have been wearing berets."

Bone is bright and engaging, a fast but detail-oriented talker whose conversation has an urgency infused by his street experience and by a conviction that the time for change — to somehow recapture that black political momentum lost in the early '70s — is now.

He has a nonprofit group, called Aktive, that seeks to convert active gangbangers into nonactive gang members like himself — guys who belong to a gang but who have sworn off criminal and "negative" activity. This may seem like an oxymoron, but Bone says it works. Aktive steers them into filmmaking workshops and encourages them to atone for destructive behavior by taking part in community food giveaways, toy drives and other events. His own nonactive status was necessary, Bone says, for him to maintain credibility with gangs as he argued with them to move beyond gangsterism into something new and untested. "I'm still on campus, even though I've graduated," is how he explains it.

Bone doesn't believe in dispersing gangs — the family ties are a plus, he says. He believes in "reformatting" to make them and their members productive. This doesn't mean simply giving gang members jobs, as every study on gangs since the 1960s has advised. It means supporting the kind of activities that build a societal connection and a larger purpose.

Bone says the absence of such purpose is especially acute in L.A. "There are lots of jobs here, millions of dollars coming in, but blacks are historically cut out," he said. He says the increasing popularity of gang injunctions — which identify members and prevent them from participating in a variety of activities — reflects the out-of-sight, out-of-mind approach to gangs that often creates more chaos by removing older black males from neighborhoods and leaving younger ones unsupervised.

And yet Bone has hope. It is based less on reality than on faith that we will all agree that, like global warming, the gang problem will be seriously addressed in the next decade or we risk perishing together. "Unfortunately, we are a very reactionary people," Bone said, referring to blacks. "We're not proactive. But the West is a cornerstone for black liberation. We influence all of America, starting with the Panthers up north. Our situation is emblematic. This is our last stand."

I agree with Bone. And though I find his hope inspirational — the sheer fact that he has any — I don't share all of it. Crime is down in the city, but gang crime is on the rise, with blacks increasingly the target of Latino hostility. "The State of Black California" report issued last week by the Legislative Black Caucus confirms the dire condition of African Americans by just about every sociological measure — hardly news, and information that repeatedly falls on deaf ears. Official recognition that blacks are officially flailing in California, the land of last and best opportunity for just about everybody, makes me want to crawl under a rock.

Don't, Bone says. His answer for the madness is action, something he says is paramount for black men whose wasted lives come down to having too little to do. "Do something, nigger, if you only spit," Bone said, quoting "Bunchy" Carter, a former Black Panther.

At 37, Bone has done a lot more than spit. It's a challenge that I, at 45, have no choice but to take on . says the writer.

IT SAYS BONE IS 37 YEARS OLD , THIS ARTICLE WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY 2007 ,

AND IM THE Y.G. !?.......JUNGLES , AND YOU LIVE NEAR HOMEBOY IM GUESSING , BY THE SCREEN NAME.

[NICKELS]

At 37, Bone has done a lot more than spit. It's a challenge that I, at 45, have no choice but to take on . says the writer. - LA TIMES , NEWSPAPER , FEB 2007

[Noog]

Respec to Bone still, a revolutionary spirit. Berets not bandanas. Reaction back to revolution. Anything is possible. Peace still.

[NICKELS]

YEAH YEAH , BERETS NOT BANDANAS .........BLACK PANTHERS / BGF / BLA / NARN / KUMI ..........COME BACK SET IT STR8 , FOR THE COMMUNITY

[grundy]

The documentary was alright I just wished he hadn't copied all his information from the City of Quartz by the white cat. Im suprised he hasn't been sued for copyright infringement.

[A Ghost]

they took down all the links

[jungles]

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S

Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.

"Nobody in gangs knew the history of gangs," he told me in a phone interview. "But it's actually linked to the black liberation movement. We're not just dysfunctional niggers who can't get our act together. There was a movement deferred. Instead of wearing blue and red rags today, we could have been wearing berets."

Bone is bright and engaging, a fast but detail-oriented talker whose conversation has an urgency infused by his street experience and by a conviction that the time for change — to somehow recapture that black political momentum lost in the early '70s — is now.

He has a nonprofit group, called Aktive, that seeks to convert active gangbangers into nonactive gang members like himself — guys who belong to a gang but who have sworn off criminal and "negative" activity. This may seem like an oxymoron, but Bone says it works. Aktive steers them into filmmaking workshops and encourages them to atone for destructive behavior by taking part in community food giveaways, toy drives and other events. His own nonactive status was necessary, Bone says, for him to maintain credibility with gangs as he argued with them to move beyond gangsterism into something new and untested. "I'm still on campus, even though I've graduated," is how he explains it.

Bone doesn't believe in dispersing gangs — the family ties are a plus, he says. He believes in "reformatting" to make them and their members productive. This doesn't mean simply giving gang members jobs, as every study on gangs since the 1960s has advised. It means supporting the kind of activities that build a societal connection and a larger purpose.

Bone says the absence of such purpose is especially acute in L.A. "There are lots of jobs here, millions of dollars coming in, but blacks are historically cut out," he said. He says the increasing popularity of gang injunctions — which identify members and prevent them from participating in a variety of activities — reflects the out-of-sight, out-of-mind approach to gangs that often creates more chaos by removing older black males from neighborhoods and leaving younger ones unsupervised.

And yet Bone has hope. It is based less on reality than on faith that we will all agree that, like global warming, the gang problem will be seriously addressed in the next decade or we risk perishing together. "Unfortunately, we are a very reactionary people," Bone said, referring to blacks. "We're not proactive. But the West is a cornerstone for black liberation. We influence all of America, starting with the Panthers up north. Our situation is emblematic. This is our last stand."

I agree with Bone. And though I find his hope inspirational — the sheer fact that he has any — I don't share all of it. Crime is down in the city, but gang crime is on the rise, with blacks increasingly the target of Latino hostility. "The State of Black California" report issued last week by the Legislative Black Caucus confirms the dire condition of African Americans by just about every sociological measure — hardly news, and information that repeatedly falls on deaf ears. Official recognition that blacks are officially flailing in California, the land of last and best opportunity for just about everybody, makes me want to crawl under a rock.

Don't, Bone says. His answer for the madness is action, something he says is paramount for black men whose wasted lives come down to having too little to do. "Do something, nigger, if you only spit," Bone said, quoting "Bunchy" Carter, a former Black Panther.

At 37, Bone has done a lot more than spit. It's a challenge that I, at 45, have no choice but to take on . says the writer.

IT SAYS BONE IS 37 YEARS OLD , THIS ARTICLE WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY 2007 ,

AND IM THE Y.G. !?.......JUNGLES , AND YOU LIVE NEAR HOMEBOY IM GUESSING , BY THE SCREEN NAME.

Im not going to respond to this dumb shit. If you think Bone is 37 so be it. Tookie started the bloods too. Did you know that??????????

[StillNoScript]

The documentary was alright I just wished he hadn't copied all his information from the City of Quartz by the white cat. Im suprised he hasn't been sued for copyright infringement.

I think he had permission. Mike Davis participated in the film. I've read City of Quartz, and only very little of the book deals with the topic of gangs and police. Really just one chapter.

If this film copied anything, it was another documentary called, "the fire this time". I haven't seen that yet, but I heard a lot of footage from "bastards" is copied from that.

[NICKELS]

BONE IS IN HIS LATE 30'S

Bone is 40 plus believe that, he aint no young brother. How you going to give some history and you a YG.

"Nobody in gangs knew the history of gangs," he told me in a phone interview. "But it's actually linked to the black liberation movement. We're not just dysfunctional niggers who can't get our act together. There was a movement deferred. Instead of wearing blue and red rags today, we could have been wearing berets."

Bone is bright and engaging, a fast but detail-oriented talker whose conversation has an urgency infused by his street experience and by a conviction that the time for change — to somehow recapture that black political momentum lost in the early '70s — is now.

He has a nonprofit group, called Aktive, that seeks to convert active gangbangers into nonactive gang members like himself — guys who belong to a gang but who have sworn off criminal and "negative" activity. This may seem like an oxymoron, but Bone says it works. Aktive steers them into filmmaking workshops and encourages them to atone for destructive behavior by taking part in community food giveaways, toy drives and other events. His own nonactive status was necessary, Bone says, for him to maintain credibility with gangs as he argued with them to move beyond gangsterism into something new and untested. "I'm still on campus, even though I've graduated," is how he explains it.

Bone doesn't believe in dispersing gangs — the family ties are a plus, he says. He believes in "reformatting" to make them and their members productive. This doesn't mean simply giving gang members jobs, as every study on gangs since the 1960s has advised. It means supporting the kind of activities that build a societal connection and a larger purpose.

Bone says the absence of such purpose is especially acute in L.A. "There are lots of jobs here, millions of dollars coming in, but blacks are historically cut out," he said. He says the increasing popularity of gang injunctions — which identify members and prevent them from participating in a variety of activities — reflects the out-of-sight, out-of-mind approach to gangs that often creates more chaos by removing older black males from neighborhoods and leaving younger ones unsupervised.

And yet Bone has hope. It is based less on reality than on faith that we will all agree that, like global warming, the gang problem will be seriously addressed in the next decade or we risk perishing together. "Unfortunately, we are a very reactionary people," Bone said, referring to blacks. "We're not proactive. But the West is a cornerstone for black liberation. We influence all of America, starting with the Panthers up north. Our situation is emblematic. This is our last stand."

I agree with Bone. And though I find his hope inspirational — the sheer fact that he has any — I don't share all of it. Crime is down in the city, but gang crime is on the rise, with blacks increasingly the target of Latino hostility. "The State of Black California" report issued last week by the Legislative Black Caucus confirms the dire condition of African Americans by just about every sociological measure — hardly news, and information that repeatedly falls on deaf ears. Official recognition that blacks are officially flailing in California, the land of last and best opportunity for just about everybody, makes me want to crawl under a rock.

Don't, Bone says. His answer for the madness is action, something he says is paramount for black men whose wasted lives come down to having too little to do. "Do something, nigger, if you only spit," Bone said, quoting "Bunchy" Carter, a former Black Panther.

At 37, Bone has done a lot more than spit. It's a challenge that I, at 45, have no choice but to take on . says the writer.

IT SAYS BONE IS 37 YEARS OLD , THIS ARTICLE WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY 2007 ,

AND IM THE Y.G. !?.......JUNGLES , AND YOU LIVE NEAR HOMEBOY IM GUESSING , BY THE SCREEN NAME.

Im not going to respond to this dumb shit. If you think Bone is 37 so be it. Tookie started the bloods too. Did you know that??????????

WELL OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW " BONE " BETTER THAN HE KNOWS HISELF , CAUSE HE WAS THE ONE SPEAKING IN THAT INTERVIEW , JUST FALL BACK IN SHAME HOMIE .......AND STOP RIDIN THE NIGGAS AGE , IF HE SAYS HES 37 ,.....THATS ANOTHER MAN , SHOULDNT BE THAT IMPORTANT TOO U , UNLEES YOU A HOMO THUGG , GROUPIE

[Old Shatterhand]

Wikipedia states, "Cle Shaheed Sloan aka "Bone" (born c. 1971 - )is an African-American filmmaker and activist from Los Angeles, California. While still a member of Athens Park Bloods, a Los Angeles street gang, Sloan worked to reform gang culture to put an end to gang violence from the inside."

2007 - 1971= 36

So IF Wikipedia is right, then he's 36 or 37 years old depending on his birth month.

I just threw out 20's because he looked young to me (looked like me might be in his late 20's). I'm getting old though and everyone looks young to me these days.. lol.