THE "ANIMAL" KINGDOM

[Lonewolf]

I REMEMBER WATCHING SOME TV SPECIAL LIKE ON NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC OR ONE OF THEM EDUCATIONAL CHANELS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. ANYWAYS, I'M ALL LAID BACK WITH MY CHELADA (BEER, CLAMATO, SALT & LEMON) ON MY GRIP AND MY EARPHONES TUNED INTO THAT CABLE SOUND SYSTEM. I'M WATCHING THIS LEOPARDS ON THE WILD ON THE HUNT. THE YOUNG LEOPARD STALKS DOWN ON JUMPS ON THIS BABOON MOMA' AND HER LIL ONE. THE LEOPARD KILLS AND DRAGS THE MOMA' BABOON INTO THE DINING SPOT AND THE LIL BABY BABOON NATURALLY FOLLOWS HIS DEAD MOMA', BUT THE LEOPARD AIN'T PROCESSING LIKE ONE WOULD ASSUME, HE'S LIKE WTF? . . THEN SOME PINCHE HYENAS SHOW UP . . . AND THEY WANT SOME OF THAT GRUB, BUT THEY'RE ALSO EYEBALLING THAT LIL ONE . . SO WHAT DOES THE LEOPARD DO? INSTEAD OF BEING THE PROTECTIVE/DEFENSIVE "DOGG" THAT GROWLS AT ANYONE TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO HIS FOOD, NAH' . . INSTEAD, THE LEOPARD GRABS THE LIL BABOON AND CARRYS HIM TO SAFETY UP HIS TREE LAIR, SAFE FROM THE HYENAS . . THEN HE GETS BACK TO HIS KILL AND DEFENDS HIS CHOW, BUT ONLY AFTER HE PROTECTED THE YOUNG LIL BABY BABOON. . THAT LEOPARD PUT HIS MEAL / HIS SURVIVAL ~> SECOND, IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE OFFSPRING OF THAT ONE WHO HE JUST TOOK DOWN. . I'M LIKE, ORALE, PINCHE LEOPARD GOTS SOME HONOR LEFT IN HIM . . HE'S STILL "HUMAN" . . PROTECTED THE LIL ONE 'TIL THE OTHER BABOONS CAME LOOKING FOR THEIR OWN . . THEN HE HANDED HIM OVER AND SCURRIED HIS WAY OUTTA THERE. . WATCHING THIS "ANIMAL" KINGDOM AND HOW THE LEOPARD HANDLED HIMSELF, MAN THAT SH*T LEFT ME THINKING! WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT LEOPARD? YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT YOU, ME AND THE NEXT LOKSTER WOULD ALL WITHOUT HESITATION JUMP IN TO PROTECT A LIL BROWN OR BLACK FACE IF THEY FIND THEMSELVES ACCOSTED BY AN UNFRIENDLY EVIL BEING. WITHOUT A DOUBT I'LL RISK MY SKIN OUT FOR YOURS OR ANYBODYS, NO MATTER WHAT RACE, CREED OR COLOR, AND I KNOW MOST OF YOU WOULD DO THE SAME FOR MINE IF YOU FOUND YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION, SO WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT "ALWAYS?

[perongregory]

It's a trip, theres a giant (male) tortoise who became the surrogate mother of some baby hippo whos mother died. Animals, do what they have to but they dont throw things out of order. Humans impose their personal order on others and fuck shit up. We do what we want, Animals do what they need to do. To do things you want you gotta learn some BS, some messed up shit to get what you're not supposed to have.

[Lonewolf]

It's a trip, theres a giant (male) tortoise who became the surrogate mother of some baby hippo whos mother died. Animals, do what they have to but they dont throw things out of order. Humans impose their personal order on others and fu-- shit up. We do what we want, Animals do what they need to do. To do things you want you gotta learn some BS, some messed up shit to get what you're not supposed to have.

DAMM!! A "MALE" TURTLE? . . . EVER TRIP OUT ON THEM "PENGUINS?

THEY'RE ON A CLASS OF THEIR OWN QUE NO?

BUT EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU FIGURE THAT "ANIMALS" DO WHAT THEY
HAVE TO? I'M THINKING THAT FOOD IS FOOD, SO WHY THE LEOPARD
GOTTA DEFEND THE LIL' BABOON? HE COULD AS EASILY CHOP HIM UP
LIKE A SNACK -RIGHT?

[perongregory]

It's a trip, theres a giant (male) tortoise who became the surrogate mother of some baby hippo whos mother died. Animals, do what they have to but they dont throw things out of order. Humans impose their personal order on others and fu-- shit up. We do what we want, Animals do what they need to do. To do things you want you gotta learn some BS, some messed up shit to get what you're not supposed to have.

DAMM!! A "MALE" TURTLE? . . . EVER TRIP OUT ON THEM "PENGUINS?

THEY'RE ON A CLASS OF THEIR OWN QUE NO?

BUT EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU FIGURE THAT "ANIMALS" DO WHAT THEY
HAVE TO? I'M THINKING THAT FOOD IS FOOD, SO WHY THE LEOPARD
GOTTA DEFEND THE LIL' BABOON? HE COULD AS EASILY CHOP HIM UP
LIKE A SNACK -RIGHT?

He could eat that baby baboon but what is he gonna do with all that meat? Eat it all and be tired let his defenses down? kepp it stashed and attract attention from other predator and scavengers? He doesn't have to kill that baby baboon. Yeah, I seen them penguins they're a trip also.

[Lonewolf]

Well that Leopard didn't have to protect that lil one from the hyenas either -right?
He could of let them go at it and have their fill too -right?
So what is it? Intuition? Animal Code? What? Why they act like we would with a lil 1?

[Cold Bear]

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Another example. they used to think only humans act in 'altruism' that is purely to help others not survival or self-preservation, then they extended to dolphins, and now maybe to other species. They call that altruism, what the leopard did for that baboon.

Also Lonewolf, you ever had a "Pinchelada"? Instead of clamato you use a gang of tabasco sauce and usually a Corona type beer. Sounds nasty but it's good

[Cold Bear]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfmbBiA9ck

Another example. they used to think only humans act in 'altruism' that is purely to help others not survival or self-preservation, then they extended to dolphins, and now maybe to other species. They call that altruism, what the leopard did for that baboon.

Also Lonewolf, you ever had a "Pinchelada"? Instead of clamato you use a gang of tabasco sauce and usually a Corona type beer. Sounds nasty but it's good

[Sentenza]

Hippo Saves Impala

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[Lonewolf]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfmbBiA9ck

Another example. they used to think only humans act in 'altruism' that is purely to help others not survival or self-preservation, then they extended to dolphins, and now maybe to other species. They call that altruism, what the leopard did for that baboon.

Also Lonewolf, you ever had a "Pinchelada"? Instead of clamato you use a gang of tabasco sauce and usually a Corona type beer. Sounds nasty but it's good

TRUE, PEOPLE DO HELP PEOPLE WITH NO REAL SELF-INTEREST IN THEIR HEARTS, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE ONLY WHEN THE BELIEF IS THERE THAT THAT OTHER PERSON IS WEAKER OR DUMBER THAN ONE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO PLAY OUT WHEN THEY ARE VIEWED AS EQUALS, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED "WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT LEOPARD ALWAYS?

Re: Pinchelada, yeah, I seen fools down that sh*t but even thought I'm cool with tabasco, I ain't that hung up on it. You need to be on crack or meth to be clowning like that, either that or you just some wanna-be narco junior "IN MY OPINION"

[Cold Bear]

Just like how women and children who are hit in drivebys cause the most anger. It's okay to even hit a young man who doesn't bang but is in the area or mistaken, but when a child is hit it's seen as distasteful.

About the pinchelada, a little over the top for you huh? You think that only a guy who has to prove himself will get down with this? LOL I think that shit is similar to eating a jalapeno or how those frat boys do 'beer-bongs'.

[Lonewolf]

Just like how women and children who are hit in drivebys cause the most anger. It's okay to even hit a young man who doesn't bang but is in the area or mistaken, but when a child is hit it's seen as distasteful.

About the pinchelada, a little over the top for you huh? You think that only a guy who has to prove himself will get down with this? LOL I think that shit is similar to eating a jalapeno or how those frat boys do 'beer-bongs'.

NAH' I AIN'T SAYING THAT, BUT TO ME ~> ITS FOR A YOUNG MAN'S WORLD.. FOR ME, JUST PULL UP A CHAIR AND I'LL DEAL YOU IN . . STICK AROUND 'CAUSE THIS IS AN ALL NITE THING, NO RUSH & DON'T GO WILD ON ME . . "FEEL ME?

[EmperorPenguin]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfmbBiA9ck

Another example. they used to think only humans act in 'altruism' that is purely to help others not survival or self-preservation, then they extended to dolphins, and now maybe to other species. They call that altruism, what the leopard did for that baboon.

Also Lonewolf, you ever had a "Pinchelada"? Instead of clamato you use a gang of tabasco sauce and usually a Corona type beer. Sounds nasty but it's good

TRUE, PEOPLE DO HELP PEOPLE WITH NO REAL SELF-INTEREST IN THEIR HEARTS, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE ONLY WHEN THE BELIEF IS THERE THAT THAT OTHER PERSON IS WEAKER OR DUMBER THAN ONE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO PLAY OUT WHEN THEY ARE VIEWED AS EQUALS, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED "WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT LEOPARD ALWAYS?

Re: Pinchelada, yeah, I seen fools down that sh*t but even thought I'm cool with tabasco, I ain't that hung up on it. You need to be on crack or meth to be clowning like that, either that or you just some wanna-be narco junior "IN MY OPINION"

I'm kind of lost as to what was so great about this scenario that you want us to follow in? The leopard killed the mother of a baby. He may have in turn saved it from Hyenas only to literally leave it to starve to death. How is that a good example? Nevermind the fact that every day animals kill other animals without mercy, babies, females, whatever. If this leopard was any example for us to follow, maybe he should have found some baboon that was old and frail and on its last leg without any family to take care of. Humans save humans everyday, humans kill humans everyday. Animals kill animals every day, animals save animals every day. It's how the world works. I understand there was a fleeting moment by this leopard that may have seemed compassionate but it will still turn around and kill another mother baboon in a second and perhaps its child if he's hungry enough. Killing the mother of a child, only to save the child moments later is not compassion, heroism, or altruism. I would argue that the leopard merely didn't want the hyenas to kill and eat his dessert, and he wouldn't kill it himself because it would have rott before his stomach was empty enough to eat it. Regardless, you have a good message in the 'altruism' but a poor example for it.

[Lonewolf]

I'm kind of lost as to what was so great about this scenario that you want us to follow in? The leopard killed the mother of a baby. He may have in turn saved it from Hyenas only to literally leave it to starve to death. How is that a good example? Nevermind the fact that every day animals kill other animals without mercy, babies, females, whatever. If this leopard was any example for us to follow, maybe he should have found some baboon that was old and frail and on its last leg without any family to take care of. Humans save humans everyday, humans kill humans everyday. Animals kill animals every day, animals save animals every day. It's how the world works. I understand there was a fleeting moment by this leopard that may have seemed compassionate but it will still turn around and kill another mother baboon in a second and perhaps its child if he's hungry enough. Killing the mother of a child, only to save the child moments later is not compassion, heroism, or altruism. I would argue that the leopard merely didn't want the hyenas to kill and eat his dessert, and he wouldn't kill it himself because it would have rott before his stomach was empty enough to eat it. Regardless, you have a good message in the 'altruism' but a poor example for it.

YOU'RE WAY OUT WITH ALL THIS, SAVING IT FOR "DESSERT" LOL GOOD ONE . . . I SUPPOSE THAT I LACKED THE TALENT TO CONVEY A MESSAGE OF PEACE ~~> MY BAD

[EmperorPenguin]

I'm kind of lost as to what was so great about this scenario that you want us to follow in? The leopard killed the mother of a baby. He may have in turn saved it from Hyenas only to literally leave it to starve to death. How is that a good example? Nevermind the fact that every day animals kill other animals without mercy, babies, females, whatever. If this leopard was any example for us to follow, maybe he should have found some baboon that was old and frail and on its last leg without any family to take care of. Humans save humans everyday, humans kill humans everyday. Animals kill animals every day, animals save animals every day. It's how the world works. I understand there was a fleeting moment by this leopard that may have seemed compassionate but it will still turn around and kill another mother baboon in a second and perhaps its child if he's hungry enough. Killing the mother of a child, only to save the child moments later is not compassion, heroism, or altruism. I would argue that the leopard merely didn't want the hyenas to kill and eat his dessert, and he wouldn't kill it himself because it would have rott before his stomach was empty enough to eat it. Regardless, you have a good message in the 'altruism' but a poor example for it.

YOU'RE WAY OUT WITH ALL THIS, SAVING IT FOR "DESSERT" LOL GOOD ONE . . . I SUPPOSE THAT I LACKED THE TALENT TO CONVEY A MESSAGE OF PEACE ~~> MY BAD

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Again, your message was good and came across the example was not. So whats your reasoning behind the leopard "saving" the baby baboon? Did the show say? Did he take it in as an orphan to feed it and nurse it? I highly doubt it. BEST case scenario the baboon was taken in by other baboons and was able to live a long healthy life, unlikely mind you. The "dessert" statement was more in line with the fact that the leopard had another meal literally just sitting there and he wasn't about to let hyenas take it. He may have saved it from the hyenas, but the baboon still wouldn't be safe from the leopard had he became hungry again. It's more in line with what peron said, leopards don't eat what they don't need but they also won't waste a good meal either.

Again, you have a good message, but the example is equal to me punching a person in the nose then getting them a tissue for it.

[Lonewolf]

AGAIN, YOU MISSED THE POINT . . . YOU GOT ALL CAUGHT UP IN ALL THE VARIABLES AND WHAT THAT LEOPARD COULD AND WOULD DO, BUT YOU MISSED THIS ~~> SO WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT "ALWAYS?

[EmperorPenguin]

AGAIN, YOU MISSED THE POINT . . . YOU GOT ALL CAUGHT UP IN ALL THE VARIABLES AND WHAT THAT LEOPARD COULD AND WOULD DO, BUT YOU MISSED THIS ~~> SO WHY CAN'T WE BE LIKE THAT "ALWAYS?

You're right I got caught up in it. I didn't miss your point so much as I don't have an answer for it. It would be nice if we could be like that always. You read these stories about "heroes" that go out of their way and put their own lives at risk for other people, I think those examples are great I just wish there was more of them. :\