REVOLUTION!!!

[Lonewolf]

IT'S LIKE A JUNGLE SOMETIMES, IT MAKES ME WONDER HOW I KEEP FROM GOING UNDER . . .

LISTEN TO THAT OLD SCHOOL GRAND MASTER FLASH SPILL . . . THEN THINK ABOUT IT . . .

REAL? HELL YEAH VERY MUCH REAL!

THAT'S HOW WE LIVE IN THE BIG CITY AND IN THE NEGLECTED COMMUNITY . . .

I FEEL LIKE AN OUTLAW . . . THE LAW SERVES ME NONE . . . THE LAW WORKS AGAINST ME!

EDUCATION, LANGUAGE, BUSINESS, THE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE ALL SET UP
AGAINST ME . . . READY TO POUNCE ON MINE . . .

SO HOW DO YOU REVERSE THE DAMAGE DONE?

IS IT LIKE THE OLD BLACK PANTHER PARTY & BROWN BERETS LAID IT DOWN?

REVOLUTION IS THE ONLY REAL SOLUTION?

BUT REVOLUTION AIN'T EASY . . .

AND VERY FEW KNOW HOW TO GET IT ALL STARTED . . .

HOW WOULD YOU GET IT CRACKIN'?

WHAT WOULD TAKE TO GET IT STARTED?

I LOOK BACK ON CHE GUEVARA . . .

POPULAR AS HE WAS . . .

HAVANA GIVING SOME START UP SUPPORT . . .

THE LOCALS AT FIRST STANDING NEXT TO HIM . . .

CONDITIONS ARGUABLY "RIGHT" . . .

STRIPES AND EXPERIENCE ON HIS SHOULDERS . . .

VALOR AND DEDICATION FULLY A PART . . .

STILL . . . REVOLUTION FAILED!

MLK, MALCOM X, LINCOLN, ~~> ALL DEAD!!!

SO WHAT WILL IT TAKE?

OR IS THAT FAR FROM THE REAL FOR AMERICA?

[Noog]

Lonewolf - this is the thread...I'm going to think and come back to this - nothing is more important to me.....another world is possible

[Lonewolf]

Lonewolf - this is the thread...I'm going to think and come back to this - nothing is more important to me.....another world is possible

WELL YOU AND ME SEEMED TO BE THE ONLY ONES LOOKING AT THINGS THAT DEEP.

[Noog]

Just been reading OUR WORD IS OUR WEAPON by Sub Comandante Marcos of the Zapatistas, holding it down in Chiapas in Mexico. Inspiring stuff. Makes me want to ride on horseback to my local Town Hall and deliver an edict to the local coyuncil demanding justice for the People's Republic of Hackney or face the consequences he he!
I love those Zapatistas and thier spirit - they remind me of Spartacus, that each Zapatista is brother and sister, each behind a mask in a solidarity...the spirit of Emilio Zapata (who I also greatly admire)

I understand that Homeboy Industries in Boyle Heights uses the image of Zapata?

[1010321]

Just been reading OUR WORD IS OUR WEAPON by Sub Comandante Marcos of the Zapatistas, holding it down in Chiapas in Mexico. Inspiring stuff. Makes me want to ride on horseback to my local Town Hall and deliver an edict to the local coyuncil demanding justice for the People's Republic of Hackney or face the consequences he he!
I love those Zapatistas and thier spirit - they remind me of Spartacus, that each Zapatista is brother and sister, each behind a mask in a solidarity...the spirit of Emilio Zapata (who I also greatly admire)

Why are you so inspired by recycled communist garbage? This Marcos character has already been found to be full of BS and holes. What is the draw of this revolutionary mentality that ALWAYS leads to a system worse than what was replaced? Collectivism leads to oppression and state servitude (slavery), just like pure runaway capitalism leads to oppression and private servitude. (slavery)

Does anybody read history anymore? Marcos and his "Zapatistas" will just plunge Chiapas into more turmoil and poverty.

[Lonewolf]

Tell you the truth, not many people in Mexico be feeling all what the Marcos/Zapatistas be preaching. They are too far to the left for most Mexicans who traditionally are somewhere in the middle between Socialism and Capitalism. . Mexicans have sympathy for the Zapatistas, and support some of their causes, especially those dealing with the land and the natives, but that's about it, not much more than that. If it was Mexico in a different era and with different personages, well, a different revolution it would be, but the Zapatistas are going nowhere fast, and that's one of the main realities why they had to call it a truce with the government. They couldn't advance by feat of arms, so they were allowed to go on the political road 'cause most understood that >> that was as far as they were gonna get with their message. The tren in Mexico is one in comformity with capitalism and modernizing its economic/industrial base. Sad to say, but, the agricultural rural Mexico of the past >> is but a memory for millions nowadays. The land no longer is the stable sustain of the masses, because today, manufacturing and exports are what define modern Mexico, so in a way>> the old revolution of the early 1900's acomplished what it set out to do originally in terms of political freedoms and technological advancement, but it failed in maintaining the land reforms for the peasentry. The two just could not be mixed together with the changing times. Not even the great China could maintain its rural revolution, and now, China, just like Mexico, are both on the same road to modern economics and global politics.

[1010321]

Tell you the truth, not many people in Mexico be feeling all what the Marcos/Zapatistas be preaching. They are too far to the left for most Mexicans who traditionally are somewhere in the middle between Socialism and Capitalism. . Mexicans have sympathy for the Zapatistas, and support some of their causes, especially those dealing with the land and the natives, but that's about it, not much more than that. If it was Mexico in a different era and with different personages, well, a different revolution it would be, but the Zapatistas are going nowhere fast, and that's one of the main realities why they had to call it a truce with the government. They couldn't advance by feat of arms, so they were allowed to go on the political road 'cause most understood that >> that was as far as they were gonna get with their message. The tren in Mexico is one in comformity with capitalism and modernizing its economic/industrial base. Sad to say, but, the agricultural rural Mexico of the past >> is but a memory for millions nowadays. The land no longer is the stable sustain of the masses, because today, manufacturing and exports are what define modern Mexico, so in a way>> the old revolution of the early 1900's acomplished what it set out to do originally in terms of political freedoms and technological advancement, but it failed in maintaining the land reforms for the peasentry. The two just could not be mixed together with the changing times. Not even the great China could maintain its rural revolution, and now, China, just like Mexico, are both on the same road to modern economics and global politics.

China is on the fast track to economic meltdown.

[B_One]

The foundation of this country is racism. It was "founded" with the slaughter of millions of Natives, "built" upon the backs of Black men and women, and "expanded" through the theft of Mexican land. From 1849 till now, whites are afforded opportunities to make money, and Blacks and Latinos are kept from having those same opportunities. The education system and capitalism work together to keep an upper-class and under-class, based on race. The only way to really improve things is this country is REVOLUTION. As long as the foundation of a country is racist, everything built upon that foundation will be racist as well. The education system is racist. We need an entirely NEW ONE, not just reform the old one. CAPITALISM is tied into RACISM ... we need to redistribute the wealth, and that will take REVOLUTION. These are the basic systems that the US survives on, and without Revolution, we can never knock them out and start over.

Just my 1 Cent
B_One

[Champignon]

-Dont forget America didnt just steal from mexico they stole from Canada and Spain

-And check out whats going on in the Beaufort Sea America passed some kind of bill in congress and now they want waters claimed by Canada. Apparently there border goes into our waters . Oil is your governments heroin they love that shit and will kill each other for it. Apparently when theres oil close to your borders your countries borders all of a sudden become perpendicular to whats drawn on the international maps. Dam yanks buurn

-america will be destroyed from the inside

[Lonewolf]

MOST SOCIETIES ARE TORN DOWN FROM THE INSIDE . . . ITS LIKE A CANCER THAT FESTERS INSIDE A BODY (SOCIETY) UNTIL IT KILLS IT. . POWER IS A CANCER. EGO IS A CANCER. RACISM IS A CANCER. LIBERALISM IS A CANCER. CANCERS COME IN ALL SHAPES AND FORMS, AND IF NOT DETECTED AND CHECKED EARLY ~> IT GROWS TO KILL THE BODY. . IT CAN NOT BE LEFT IN THE BODY. THERE IS NO CURE FOR IT OTHER THAN TO EXORCIZE IT FROM THE BODY, AND TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO CUT IT OUT, NUKE THE BASTARD. ONLY THEN CAN YOU BEGIN TO LIVE AGAIN. . REVOLUTION OF MINDS AND ATTITUDE IS WHAT IS NEEDED TO GAIN THE STRENGHT NEEDED TO COMBAT SUCH A CANCER . . . AND SOMETIMES ~> REVOLUTION HAS TO BE MOUTH FED INTO PEOPLE WHO FAIL TO COMPREHEND THE CANCER THAT ENSLAVES THEM.

[Champignon]

[b] ITS LIKE A CANCER [b]

a tumor its a tumor

i think its the socio-econimic differences that make your country what it is but "duh" and also with iraq presently draining your treasury whose gonna pay all the police officers lol when the troops need the grenades lol

[flame_guards_member1]

I just want to ask something and I don't want to get anyone offended but:

Why is slavery of blacks a big and touchy subject?

Black people make it seem like such a big deal. It's been nearly 370 years. How long does it take to get your act together?

I know these words can seem pretty rough and of course I'm gonna get negative responses and usually ones with insults but oh well...

Blacks have been under enslavement for 370 years by the British/Spanish/French/Whatever other western empire and Macedonians we're under enslavement for over 500 years by the Turks/Muslims.

We don't complain that much. I understand it's a big thing to be a slave but the compariso between time range and how much it's being talked about is a whole different thing.

I know because this is such a big and touchy thing there will come a time in probably the near future when blacks will take to the streets and try to bring the USA down unsuccessfully of course as any other revolution where a minority takes it against a majority.

When the minority/majority thing is mentioned, it's usually based on race not on country not on religion. Macedonians in the USA whichever city you go to are a minority countrywise. We're white, of course, yet we don't get the same great benefits as the other white man. Reasons for this is because they've never heard of a place called Macedonia, and of course never heard of the Balkans, and even if they have we're considered a primitive nation. Yeah we're wild and have a completetly different mentalitiy that only a southern slav would understand, but why?

Usually when Macedonians come to the USA or Canada, we experiance alot of hardships at the beginning. This means we start with a crappy and humiliating job(AND OH HELL YEAH OUR PEOPLE LIKE TO GOSSIP EVEN OVER THE OCEAN) and then the typical Macedonian family gets rich off doing this and that, illigal stuff like organized crime. I know that made you think BULLLSHEIT!!! but really I don't know how else to describe it. I'll tell you the truth about being under Balkan management, it's the worse. Macedonians bosses are the worse. Our own people are at eachothers throats all the time which is the reason we don't have alot of Macedonian friends here. I feel uncomfortable getting all those looks from those dressed up mafia types at the church, or just in general going to a Macedonian event. When a Macedonian speaks at let's say a grocery store and another Macedonian hears it, the one who hears shuts up and tries to get away. I can't fuckin' belive this...

I would hate to mention it but stereotypes of blacks maybe true in most cases, and of course not all black people fit those stereotypes, but there are people who will fit there. I got good black people in my building if it makes you feel better. It must be the mass media all you hear is this and that and when an incident involving those stereotypes happens to you, you begin to belive the stereotypes are massed.

I'm against racism and I would love it if the whole USA just stopped converting into a facist state but as with Nazi Germany it will happen and it will affect the rest of the world. Get ready for an American civil war(the revolution), and of course, World War 3.

If I had enough money to bring every single Macedonian from Macedonia into Toronto I'll do it. Then it's revolution biatch!!!


Maybe I should be posting this in the race section?

But then again, why can't we all just get along?

And if you've noticed, race, religion and country are all barriers and war triggers. Race triggers racism and war, religion triggers wars between religions and country means territory --- another reason for war.

Damn. I wonder what it's like living on some intergalactic planet with a million alien races...

[BLAINEizFIYAH]

ive heard alot of talkz on revolution... i had a friend who waz a fanatik of matrix nd tought me so much stuff from it.. but u have to realize...

Everything has a system...And Most start off good but there iz alwayz something or someone to korruPt it, someone takes something out of kontext or whateva...My question iz if ur looking for revolution (which means to overthrow the system in out kontext)....whatz gunna b the new system? and what iz guna keeP it from going wrong again....Martin Luther(not the King) did something real great but hiz ish got twisted by the PPl, same with Jesus, even Muhammad...
Every great leader u can think of did something amazing,but, something haPPened later that took away itz PurPose...

Im all for revolution, but itz way more then u think...youtube "the wave" or get the movie...you'll learn something

[eMachine]

Countries need revolutions (sometimes violent, sometimes political) every so many hundred years. It helps bring the political leaders back in line. Fear is the only thing that keeps politicians in line. One can lose their head ignoring the people for too long.

Its happening in southern Mexico with the farmers, not necessarily Zapatistas either. Its happening in South America with the indigenous groups. People get sick and tired of being treated like shit. When things near the boiling point, people try the reasoning path first. Send out letters and representatives and such. If that doesn't work then comes the marches, then the protests and depending on government response or lack thereof .... violence.

After all, REVOLUTION is how the entire Americas became free.

[eMachine]

Just to touch on the off topic post ...

Macedonians are not the right type of "white" for the Euros. You guys are Slavs and from what I hear, the same stereotypes are applied to your people in "Nordic" Europe that are given to others here in the US.

In Europe, the color of your skin doesn't mean shit, its your heredity and class level that counts. God help you if you are Slavic in Switzerland or Polish in Germany.

Be glad you are in Canada.

[B_One]

I just want to ask something and I don't want to get anyone offended but:

Why is slavery of blacks a big and touchy subject?

Black people make it seem like such a big deal. It's been nearly 370 years. How long does it take to get your act together?

I know these words can seem pretty rough and of course I'm gonna get negative responses and usually ones with insults but oh well...

Please get your facts straight --- the Civil War ended in 1865, 143 years ago, not 370 years ago. Secondly, Jim Crow and legalized segregation did not end until 1965 with the passage of the Voting Rights Act. That was only 43 years ago.

[Old Shatterhand]

La Raza needs to head South and revolutionize Mexico instead of spending all their time messing with the good old USA imo. Never understood why a people would run away from their own country like that and then spend all their time acting up against the country they fled into. Where is the honor in that? La Raza's mission shouldn't be hard to find. Just head south and when you hit the border go a few steps further. Eureka. And it will take real dedicated La Raza committed to reworking the whole system there. Not beer drinking gangsters this side of the border bitching about reconquesta. No offense meant to those that are working to change Mexico. Just to the ones that bitching about Aztlan while their country, Mexico, needs to be reformed. You disagree? Tell me why then. I'll listen.