The New Skinheads

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The New Skinheads

Postby Christina Marie » October 21st, 2007, 9:12 pm

On A&E

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Running Time: 60 Minutes
Genre: Documentary
Closed Captions: Yes

Upcoming Airings:
Monday, October 22 @ 12:28am/11:28C


Nazi swastikas, black leather jackets, heavy leather boots--these are the fearful images of the Skinheads. This in-depth probe looks at the growing number of these racist, anti-Semitic killers in the United States and their dangerous alliances with the KKK, Aryan Nations, and the White Aryan Resistance.


http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_de ... gid=247697
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." George Orwell
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Postby A Ghost » October 21st, 2007, 9:54 pm

I saw parts of it...
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 22nd, 2007, 8:41 am

I saw it and it was pretty un-informative. It was also filmed around 1995. So much old news. It was basically summed up as a bunch of dirty old men from the KKK decided to take these rag-tag groups of skinheads and unite them so they had some "direction" when it came to racial fronts. Which basically led to united groups of skinheads that were still just kids and very uneducated. They did interview a handful of "normal" looking skinheads that decided to educate themselves and basically blend into society. They seemed educated and obviously had done some research but still seemed misguided. Most of the people shown in the documentary were on par with a grade 6 education and very misled and manipulated. Which oddly enough is very similar to some of the street gang documentaries I've seen. It's funny how as much as these race gangs try to distance themselves from each other, they're all the same.
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Postby A Ghost » October 22nd, 2007, 10:53 am

fuck those queers
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Postby Christina Marie » October 22nd, 2007, 10:58 am

I saw part of it and turned it off. It was embarrassing to me
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 22nd, 2007, 12:13 pm

A Ghost wrote:fu-- those queers


It's funny you mention that because while watching they were showing footage of rallies. Bands playing, bunch of people running around moshing. My wife said "Why are all those rallies filled with guys running around with no shirts on, slamming into each other." The whole time they're putting up this "Look at me I'm so tough front" and all I could think of was wow, you all look and act really, really gay. I'm not saying all skinheads and neo-nazi's are gay but any time you try so hard to show everyone how gay you're not, it usually turns out that you are.
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Postby justice league » October 22nd, 2007, 9:06 pm

Christina Marie wrote:I saw part of it and turned it off. It was embarrassing to me

not as embarrassing as the one filmed in amabama or where ever OMG
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Postby A Ghost » October 22nd, 2007, 9:22 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:I'm not saying all skinheads and neo-nazi's are gay


shit Ill say it



They're gay
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 23rd, 2007, 8:18 am

justice league wrote:
Christina Marie wrote:I saw part of it and turned it off. It was embarrassing to me

not as embarrassing as the one filmed in amabama or where ever OMG


The Bill Riccio one? Yeah, it was pretty bad.
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Postby justice league » October 23rd, 2007, 11:02 am

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Christina Marie wrote:I saw part of it and turned it off. It was embarrassing to me

not as embarrassing as the one filmed in amabama or where ever OMG


The Bill Riccio one? Yeah, it was pretty bad.


you know.. it wouldnt be so bad,.. the compound living thing... if their training was a real focus on survival. To be completely self sufficient; less about political propaganda, more about post holocaust survival.

I have seen it work that way... because if you dont put hte children first, you dont have a future. Teach the children to how t osurvive off the land, preserve the land and the people will flourish.
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Postby justice league » October 23rd, 2007, 11:08 am

A Ghost wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:I'm not saying all skinheads and neo-nazi's are gay


shit Ill say it



They're gay


you know.. the media always goes to the lowest common denominator whenever they want to portray something in a bad light.

they deserve an emmy for their ability to seek out the most extreme case in LOSERS!!!!

The skins I know arent lames... not by a long shot.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 23rd, 2007, 12:09 pm

justice league wrote:
A Ghost wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:I'm not saying all skinheads and neo-nazi's are gay


shit Ill say it



They're gay


you know.. the media always goes to the lowest common denominator whenever they want to portray something in a bad light.

they deserve an emmy for their ability to seek out the most extreme case in LOSERS!!!!

The skins I know arent lames... not by a long shot.


Both documentaries seemed to show that a lot of these grown ups that kids looked too were more focused on having a bunch of young, no-direction males going to some old guys house who would show them old movies, play loud music, buy them beer and a be father figure. Never mind their racial agenda, both Riccio and Metzger, thats a recipe for some sort of pedo ring that just doesn't sit well with me. There was just something very homosexual in tone for both these documentaries. Again, that may not be the case with all skinheads in America but there was something very wrong with the way Riccio and Metzger got along with these young men. It reminded me of John Gacy.
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Postby Christina Marie » October 23rd, 2007, 2:04 pm

justice league wrote:
Christina Marie wrote:I saw part of it and turned it off. It was embarrassing to me

not as embarrassing as the one filmed in amabama or where ever OMG


Havent seen it. I dont even wanna know
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Postby justice league » October 23rd, 2007, 2:40 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:
A Ghost wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:I'm not saying all skinheads and neo-nazi's are gay


shit Ill say it



They're gay


you know.. the media always goes to the lowest common denominator whenever they want to portray something in a bad light.

they deserve an emmy for their ability to seek out the most extreme case in LOSERS!!!!

The skins I know arent lames... not by a long shot.


Both documentaries seemed to show that a lot of these grown ups that kids looked too were more focused on having a bunch of young, no-direction males going to some old guys house who would show them old movies, play loud music, buy them beer and a be father figure. Never mind their racial agenda, both Riccio and Metzger, thats a recipe for some sort of pedo ring that just doesn't sit well with me. There was just something very homosexual in tone for both these documentaries. Again, that may not be the case with all skinheads in America but there was something very wrong with the way Riccio and Metzger got along with these young men. It reminded me of John Gacy.


ummmm you are frighteningly accurate.... but that is also how a lot of gangs are supported.. not necessarly the gay, but definitely the vulnerable.... creating a a place of acceptance.
I wish there were more programs like CCC (califronia conservation corp) or those survival treks where disturbed youth have to survive the desert wilderness for personal development Its amazing how much someone can grow by literally getting their hands dirty with dirt rather than the urban filth they discover.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 23rd, 2007, 3:07 pm

justice league wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:
A Ghost wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:I'm not saying all skinheads and neo-nazi's are gay


shit Ill say it



They're gay


you know.. the media always goes to the lowest common denominator whenever they want to portray something in a bad light.

they deserve an emmy for their ability to seek out the most extreme case in LOSERS!!!!

The skins I know arent lames... not by a long shot.


Both documentaries seemed to show that a lot of these grown ups that kids looked too were more focused on having a bunch of young, no-direction males going to some old guys house who would show them old movies, play loud music, buy them beer and a be father figure. Never mind their racial agenda, both Riccio and Metzger, thats a recipe for some sort of pedo ring that just doesn't sit well with me. There was just something very homosexual in tone for both these documentaries. Again, that may not be the case with all skinheads in America but there was something very wrong with the way Riccio and Metzger got along with these young men. It reminded me of John Gacy.


ummmm you are frighteningly accurate.... but that is also how a lot of gangs are supported.. not necessarly the gay, but definitely the vulnerable.... creating a a place of acceptance.
I wish there were more programs like CCC (califronia conservation corp) or those survival treks where disturbed youth have to survive the desert wilderness for personal development Its amazing how much someone can grow by literally getting their hands dirty with dirt rather than the urban filth they discover.


Yeah, I understand the motive. Riccio even said "give us your broken toys and we will fix them." when referring to these young boys who were run aways, or their parents didn't accept them. I know most gangs prey on young kids who are loners, and looking for acceptance. It's easy pickings. Look at Born Invincible on here. The guy is begging for acceptance and has stated he's looking at white supremacy groups. Just watching these shows I wasn't sure what bothered me more, the racial superior BS that these men were teaching them, or the thought of these men taking sexual advantage of these boys. I know it may seem like I'm just bullshitting, but I kid you not, Riccio and Metzger to me seemed like typical pedophiles. I've read enough books on serial killers and child murderers that both these guys just oozed that.
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Postby justice league » October 24th, 2007, 3:35 pm

there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.
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Postby pistolslanga » October 24th, 2007, 6:34 pm

what the fukk is this mess?

The New Black Panther Movement

The New La Raza

The New Skinheads

The New West

.......fukk is this? west west yall?
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Postby A Ghost » October 24th, 2007, 7:16 pm

justice league wrote:The skins I know arent lames.


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Re: The New Skinheads

Postby Sentenza » October 25th, 2007, 6:17 am

Christina Marie wrote:On A&E

Documentary

Running Time: 60 Minutes
Genre: Documentary
Closed Captions: Yes

Upcoming Airings:
Monday, October 22 @ 12:28am/11:28C


Nazi swastikas, black leather jackets, heavy leather boots--these are the fearful images of the Skinheads. This in-depth probe looks at the growing number of these racist, anti-Semitic killers in the United States and their dangerous alliances with the KKK, Aryan Nations, and the White Aryan Resistance.


http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_de ... gid=247697


We have those here since the 70s/80s.
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 25th, 2007, 9:54 am

justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.
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Postby justice league » October 25th, 2007, 9:00 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.


I think if people want to be separatists that they should be allowed that and be left in peace... andhow amazing it is that peace begets peace... no more power struggles... just "we stay over here and they stay over there" and not feel compelled to take anyhting from one another...

but it aint that way... with or wikthout boundries always someone trying to take something from someone that aiht theers
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Postby EmperorPenguin » October 26th, 2007, 7:58 am

justice league wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.


I think if people want to be separatists that they should be allowed that and be left in peace... andhow amazing it is that peace begets peace... no more power struggles... just "we stay over here and they stay over there" and not feel compelled to take anyhting from one another...

but it aint that way... with or wikthout boundries always someone trying to take something from someone that aiht theers


Always. And that's why I never see seperating as a solution because at some point, someone is going to go "hey, I like what they have, why don't we just take it?" and it all goes to shit. It's bound to happen.
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Re: The New Skinheads

Postby Supreme Maggot » October 30th, 2007, 11:33 pm

Christina Marie wrote:On A&E

Documentary

Running Time: 60 Minutes
Genre: Documentary
Closed Captions: Yes

Upcoming Airings:
Monday, October 22 @ 12:28am/11:28C


Nazi swastikas, black leather jackets, heavy leather boots--these are the fearful images of the Skinheads. This in-depth probe looks at the growing number of these racist, anti-Semitic killers in the United States and their dangerous alliances with the KKK, Aryan Nations, and the White Aryan Resistance.


http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_de ... gid=247697
Is this documentary posted on YouTube?
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Postby WhitePower88 » November 20th, 2007, 5:08 pm

EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.


The people who make these documentaries are careful to only film the uneducated members of the movement, they want regular folks to think that we are just ignorant fools who are filled with hate and have no future, they show that small percentage and rarely show anyone who is a famous figure in the movement as they would actually make sense with their explanations of what we are trying to achieve.
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Postby MiChuhSuh » November 20th, 2007, 8:26 pm

WhitePower88 wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.


The people who make these documentaries are careful to only film the uneducated members of the movement, they want regular folks to think that we are just ignorant fools who are filled with hate and have no future, they show that small percentage and rarely show anyone who is a famous figure in the movement as they would actually make sense with their explanations of what we are trying to achieve.


What do you think about the "real"/original skinheads?

What do you think about SHARPs and the anti-fascist skinheads?
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Postby justice league » November 20th, 2007, 9:11 pm

WhitePower88 wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.


The people who make these documentaries are careful to only film the uneducated members of the movement, they want regular folks to think that we are just ignorant fools who are filled with hate and have no future, they show that small percentage and rarely show anyone who is a famous figure in the movement as they would actually make sense with their explanations of what we are trying to achieve.



exactly. tle best way to assassinate a character is to make it look inferior by finding its weakest link and illuminating it in the brightest light... too many idiots are willing to be the voice of power when they have no permission to speak at all in the first place.
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Postby Supreme Maggot » November 25th, 2007, 3:39 pm

WhitePower88 wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
justice league wrote:there was that one guy ad his recording production company that was a little more "mature" in their attitudes and outlooks...
I am certain the focus on riccio and metzger was possible primarliy because any self respecting skin wouldnt flaunt his 'dick', so to speak.... No one with any real pride and self preservaton would be so gullible as to show their cards like that.


There was a couple of the people they talked to at Resistance Records that seemed some what educated. They basically said that the white power leaders and black power leaders need to sit down and talk and basically say "You guys live in that state and have that as your new home land and we live in this state and have this as our home land." which is the ONLY time in that documentary where anyone even suggested talking to the other race. I don't necessarily believe that to be an option but it did show promise that not all is lost and that some of these people are willing to open some dialogue. They believe in their movement and they know that there are black groups that believe just as much in their movement and they're saying we can all be a part of America, but it will be seperate parts. Again, I don't really like that solution but it shows that some of these groups are just spewing hate and calling for extermination of other races.


The people who make these documentaries are careful to only film the uneducated members of the movement, they want regular folks to think that we are just ignorant fools who are filled with hate and have no future, they show that small percentage and rarely show anyone who is a famous figure in the movement as they would actually make sense with their explanations of what we are trying to achieve.
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Postby twocost » November 25th, 2007, 3:47 pm

Same concept different look. Theres no difference from what they were doing in the old days.
These guys have been around for ever and will never leave just like crips bloods surenos nortenos
these chino gangs its all the same shit, they'll exist for as long as there people do. So theres nothing
to worrie about. They will never be what they were back then. There are just to many other races
occupying the country to regain a prideful control like they once had. All the main heads of today's
white supremacy groups have to keep it on the low b/c they afraid of political suicide.
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