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Pilgrims

Postby NikexCortez » January 27th, 2008, 1:42 pm

I remember being taught in school that Pilgrims are a group of people from England who wanted to practice their own religion. England and the Pilgrims are both Christians but Pilgrims wanted to practice a different type of Christianity. They weren't allowed to in England so that is why they ran to and made America.

Now what type of Christianity was England at the time?

And what type of Christianity were the Pilgrims practicing?

Now when I check Wikipedia.com it says this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims

Pilgrims, or Pilgrim Fathers, is a name commonly applied to the early settlers of the Plymouth Colony in present-day Plymouth, Massachusetts. Their leadership came from a religious congregation who had fled a volatile political environment in the East Midlands of England for the relative calm of the Netherlands to preserve their religion. Concerned with losing their cultural identity, the group later arranged with English investors to establish a new colony in North America. The colonists faced a lengthy series of challenges, from bureaucracy, impatient investors and internal conflicts to sabotage, storms, disease, and uncertain relations with the indigenous people. The colony, established in 1620, became the second successful English settlement in what was to become the United States of America, the first being Jamestown, Virginia, which was founded in 1607. Their story has become a central theme of the history and culture of the United States.

How weird is that?

Someone Anyone enlighten us!
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Postby NikexCortez » January 27th, 2008, 1:51 pm

"How weird is that? "

Never mind that. I read something wrong.

Whats funny about the Pilgrims are they are Christians but they killed the Natives and stoled their land.

Did different Native American tribes fight each other by the way?
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Postby Sentenza » January 27th, 2008, 1:54 pm

NikexCortez wrote:Did different Native American tribes fight each other by the way?


Yea it was pretty much everybody against everybody.
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Postby NikexCortez » January 27th, 2008, 2:05 pm

Did they kill each other like street gangs? Why did they fight?
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Postby Sentenza » January 27th, 2008, 2:43 pm

NikexCortez wrote:Did they kill each other like street gangs? Why did they fight?


I dont know the exact reasons, but i know that many tribes have had very old, bloody feuds going on and they hated each other more then the british or the french. Like Iroquois and Algonquins.
I would guess its for the same reasons that wars start all over the world....Food, land, revenge....things like that.
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Re: Pilgrims

Postby Sentenza » January 27th, 2008, 2:52 pm

NikexCortez wrote:
Now what type of Christianity was England at the time?

And what type of Christianity were the Pilgrims practicing?


They were Puritans, radical members of the Church of England who split off from the church and got persecuted.
From what i know they were pretty extremist.
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Re: Pilgrims

Postby justice league » January 27th, 2008, 10:59 pm

Sentenza wrote:
NikexCortez wrote:
Now what type of Christianity was England at the time?

And what type of Christianity were the Pilgrims practicing?


They were Puritans, radical members of the Church of England who split off from the church and got persecuted.
From what i know they were pretty extremist.



Wasnt it King George the III they were really escaping? that Church and state were so intertwined that the people escaped overtaxation and the way society was set up for taxation it was very much like slavery known as serfdom... the people, "serfs", had to work (farm) to keep a small plot of land and hand everything over to the king, and as the kingdon got greedier the people got sicker and poorer and usually didnt have enough to sustain health, not to mention the control the king had over the serfs in all regards... so true rebels took a chance and made the journey in hopes of soemthing better than serfdom.. England didnt give up.... they came over here trying to dictate, and all sorts interesting stuff ensued.....
Boo Boo the Foo wrote:How could you call an all white gang racist, but all latino gangs and all black gangs are not ?

makes no sense.
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Re: Pilgrims

Postby EmperorPenguin » January 28th, 2008, 9:06 am

justice league wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
NikexCortez wrote:
Now what type of Christianity was England at the time?

And what type of Christianity were the Pilgrims practicing?


They were Puritans, radical members of the Church of England who split off from the church and got persecuted.
From what i know they were pretty extremist.



Wasnt it King George the III they were really escaping? that Church and state were so intertwined that the people escaped overtaxation and the way society was set up for taxation it was very much like slavery known as serfdom... the people, "serfs", had to work (farm) to keep a small plot of land and hand everything over to the king, and as the kingdon got greedier the people got sicker and poorer and usually didnt have enough to sustain health, not to mention the control the king had over the serfs in all regards... so true rebels took a chance and made the journey in hopes of soemthing better than serfdom.. England didnt give up.... they came over here trying to dictate, and all sorts interesting stuff ensued.....


They were basically given the chance of trying this new life in America or be prosecuted. England still very much pulled the strings. They sent over more people when the population got low, supplies and the sort. They even took most of the profits from the tobacco that was farmed. They originally sent them over with the intent of finding gold like the Spanish were doing in Mexico but that didn't work out very well.
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Postby Old Shatterhand » February 16th, 2008, 3:24 pm

When King James came to power in 1604 the Church of England again began to root out, prosecute, and jail those who openly believed the Church needed to be purified of its false ceremonies, non-Scriptural teachings, and superstitious rituals. One of these small groups fled to Holland five years later and John Robinson (1575-1625) became the pastor of the Pilgrims. Only thirty-five Pilgrims, joined by sixty-six others, left for America and at the end of 1620, they found it.

The Pilgrims were Calvinists. See Calvinism.
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