Does It Make Any Sense To Be Black And Christian?

[MiChuhSuh]

Coptic church in Ethiopia.

The "Coptic" Church actually started in Egypt.

You're probably thinking of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, which was really united with the Coptic Church until the 20th century.

Ethiopia is also the second oldest "officially Christian nation." Armenia was the first in 301 A.D. and Ethiopia was just a few decades after.

[alexalonso]

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

[NikexCortez]

Yup Armenians were the first to convert to Christianity. How did that happen?.... Hey Alonso how come you haven't replied to my questions to you in the Religion In School thread?

[Sentenza]

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

Most non-NOI muslims consider the NOI just as a reaction to oppose the "oppressors" Religion and therefore look critically at it.

['X']

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

Amazing! You cant be serious.

The above is real proof of the enemies real brainwashing on our people. And the above was typed by a brutha??

[Common Sense]

When you look at it from a historical point of view, blacks and christianity goes together like slaves and brainwashing. Without slavery most North American blacks would not be Christian today.

[NikexCortez]

Were the Egyptians black?

[NikexCortez]

aren't the Egyptians the first ones to have a religion that have been documented? which is similar to Christianity but with different names?

[NikexCortez]

who were the ones to destroy the Egyptians figures? for example the nose on the Sphyinx.

[clipse]

When you look at it from a historical point of view, blacks and christianity goes together like slaves and brainwashing. Without slavery most North American blacks would not be Christian today.

There it is there!!!!

[perongregory]

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

alot of that was bull alonso and it shows your prejudice and dislike for Islam. And if "black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not." Then most "honest, hard working" people are hustling and we should call appropiatley title their jobs and careers them looking for a financial handout.

I don't care what religion you are as long s you try to practice the good in that religion and study its history thoroughly. Both Christianity and Islam have been twisted.

[london_ferg]

well it makes as much sense as black muslims because islam is a religion of the original slave traders it is common fact middle eastern people were very large slave traders. but religion in all forms except gnosticism which many people seem to believe in that the existence of god is a metaphor for the wonders of the world and conscience within oneself.christianity seems like wise with all the moronic childish palestine based religions as a way for people to exert control over one it seems that it could coerce one into being law abiding. so no it infact makes no sense for anyone to be christian regardless of colour.

[Sentenza]

who were the ones to destroy the Egyptians figures? for example the nose on the Sphyinx.

The nose of the Sphinx was shot off by Ottoman soldiers who did shooting practise when they invaded Egypt, no joke.
I was there last August.

[NikexCortez]

the thing im talking about happened a looooooooong time ago. my mind is blurry but it is something like a group of people want people to believe the egyptians were white so they destroyed some evidence like the nose on the Sphyinx so people wouldnt know they are colored or black.

[StoneGreaser]

Only "religion" it makes sense for a Black man to follow would be a deist, or animist belief system, whatever your ancestors believed in. Christianity, Islam, Jewry, all just different forms of foreign enslavement.

[Sentenza]

the thing im talking about happened a looooooooong time ago. my mind is blurry but it is something like a group of people want people to believe the egyptians were white so they destroyed some evidence like the nose on the Sphyinx so people wouldnt know they are colored or black.

Yea there are some white supremacists who claim that, but that is a ridiculous claim. Fuck them, they are biased. Look up 25th Dynasty of Egypt....

[alexalonso]

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

alot of that was bull alonso and it shows your prejudice and dislike for Islam. And if "black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not." Then most "honest, hard working" people are hustling and we should call appropiatley title their jobs and careers them looking for a financial handout.

I don't care what religion you are as long s you try to practice the good in that religion and study its history thoroughly. Both Christianity and Islam have been twisted.

You obviously did not read my critique closely. My comments were about black muslims, since I have known, met, interacted, etc with probably hundreds of black muslums from LA and NY. I am in no way directing these comments about the religion of Islam itself so I dont see how these critiques about black muslims are being viewed as a prejudice I have against Islam. We can talk about the religion of Islam in another string, but my view of Black Muslims is based on my experiences. I see you only mentioned 1 of my 9 comments, so I guess the other 8 comments were not bull.

The number on recruiting ground for black muslims has been the prison system. When you are hard on your luck and vulnerable, weak and naive is how many blacks converted to Islam in this country. Then they passed it along in their family and even though there are unincarcerated blacks converting to Islam, someone from the pen is always close by.

[alexalonso]

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

Amazing! You cant be serious.

The above is real proof of the enemies real brainwashing on our people. And the above was typed by a brutha??

my comments are based on my experiences with black muslims so I guess the enemy are the ones I am talking about if I am being brainwashed. And your "brutha" comment clearly validates my 6th critique, that a man of color should not be criticizing Islam because God is some how looking out for the "brutha" through Islam, when God created all of us. A racially based religious philosophy is how the Devil separates us. Get lost with that evil analysis. Who is really brainwashed????????

[perongregory]

Black Christians are certainly more knowledgeable than the Black Muslims that I know. Black Muslims do not read as much as black christians.

- black christians aer more open minded for information and are willing to exchange ideas
- black muslims always think they are right, even with the most dogmatic belief that other muslims dont even believe
- black muslims believe that Islam is a better religion for black people, as if God is designing a belief tailor made for certain group
- black muslims beleive that christianity is somehow against black people or anti-black, even though there is no scriptural support for such a brainwashed idea.
- black muslims always interject race in a discussion about belief and worship when it shouldnt
- black muslims falsely believe that christianity is a white western european religion, which it is not, and even if it was it does not matter.
- black christians do not need to go to prison to find God or to believe in God
- black muslims blame alot of problems on christianity unjustly.
- black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not.

Can someone continue this for me?

alot of that was bull alonso and it shows your prejudice and dislike for Islam. And if "black muslims are always looking for a financial handout, buy this and buy that. Appears like a hustle more times than not." Then most "honest, hard working" people are hustling and we should call appropiatley title their jobs and careers them looking for a financial handout.

I don't care what religion you are as long s you try to practice the good in that religion and study its history thoroughly. Both Christianity and Islam have been twisted.

You obviously did not read my critique closely. My comments were about black muslims, since I have known, met, interacted, etc with probably hundreds of black muslums from LA and NY. I am in no way directing these comments about the religion of Islam itself so I dont see how these critiques about black muslims are being viewed as a prejudice I have against Islam. We can talk about the religion of Islam in another string, but my view of Black Muslims is based on my experiences. I see you only mentioned 1 of my 9 comments, so I guess the other 8 comments were not bull.

The number on recruiting ground for black muslims has been the prison system. When you are hard on your luck and vulnerable, weak and naive is how many blacks converted to Islam in this country. Then they passed it along in their family and even though there are unincarcerated blacks converting to Islam, someone from the pen is always close by.

The reason why I said you have a prejudice against Islam is becaue of some of the attacks you made on Muhummad's character on the site before, coupled with this current barrage of stereotypes. The only reason I addressed only one of your 9 comments is because that comment was the most retarded comment you made and I feel someone of your intelligence wouldn't have such a great lapse into idiocy.

[alexalonso]

The reason why I said you have a prejudice against Islam is becaue of some of the attacks you made on Muhummad's character on the site before, coupled with this current barrage of stereotypes. The only reason I addressed only one of your 9 comments is because that comment was the most retarded comment you made and I feel someone of your intelligence wouldn't have such a great lapse into idiocy.

Everytime you go to a black mosque or masjid, in LA or in Harlem, you are getting hit up to buy something. It can anything from cookies, to a religious book, or anything and I think that the level of capitalism and commerce taking place at a black masjid is excessive for a place of worship. I got nothing against a man's hustle, but I think it is degrading to a place of worship.

And if you doubt the accuracy of anything I said about Muhammad you should address them there, I never attacked Muhammad, just made factual statements about a man revered by many that for example took a 6 year old girl for him. I guess that is attacking him, right?

[justice league]

The reason why I said you have a prejudice against Islam is becaue of some of the attacks you made on Muhummad's character on the site before, coupled with this current barrage of stereotypes. The only reason I addressed only one of your 9 comments is because that comment was the most retarded comment you made and I feel someone of your intelligence wouldn't have such a great lapse into idiocy.

Everytime you go to a black mosque or masjid, in LA or in Harlem, you are getting hit up to buy something. It can anything from cookies, to a religious book, or anything and I think that the level of capitalism and commerce taking place at a black masjid is excessive for a place of worship. I got nothing against a man's hustle, but I think it is degrading to a place of worship.
And if you doubt the accuracy of anything I said about Muhammad you should address them there, I never attacked Muhammad, just made factual statements about a man revered by many that for example took a 6 year old girl for him. I guess that is attacking him, right?

as did Christ.... and so many others...

[AllhoodPublications]

Everytime you go to a black mosque or masjid, in LA or in Harlem, you are getting hit up to buy something. It can anything from cookies, to a religious book, or anything and I think that the level of capitalism and commerce taking place at a black masjid is excessive for a place of worship.

I use to say the exact samething.. but when I was young my mother explained to me these places have bills to pay (travel, security, time). Churches beg for money also.. and offer front seats for a fee- to rich people. Many past the bowl around repeatedly. And they hardly ever cease to run the line about giving 10% of your earnings to god. And some sell Bibles too.

you have some good points that I agree with but this one is weak... seems you are overlooking what is normal practice in most big churches.

[MiChuhSuh]

Everytime you go to a black mosque or masjid, in LA or in Harlem, you are getting hit up to buy something. It can anything from cookies, to a religious book, or anything and I think that the level of capitalism and commerce taking place at a black masjid is excessive for a place of worship.

I use to say the exact samething.. but when I was young my mother explained to me these places have bills to pay (travel, security, time). Churches beg for money also.. and offer front seats for a fee- to rich people. Many past the bowl around repeatedly. And they hardly ever cease to run the line about giving 10% of your earnings to god. And some sell Bibles too.

you have some good points that I agree with but this one is weak... seems you are overlooking what is normal practice in most big churches.

The key here is big churches. My church started off not having a building for 15 years, until 2000 they rented an elementary school on the weekends. Even at some large churches they will not emphasize tithing. It's something you should do out of you own heart, not pressure or compulsion:

2 Corinthians 9:7
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

That being said, there are countless people hustling Christians in the church. Tim LaHaye from a few years back comes to mind, as well as many prominent public figures in the Evangelical world (700 Club). Religion always has and always will be abused for money; there's no such thing as new game. Look in the Tanakh, Bible, Qu'ran, any ancient text and there will be stories about it thousands of years old.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... hp?t=37056
http://apmagazine.proboards74.com/index ... 996&page=1

[MiChuhSuh]

Everytime you go to a black mosque or masjid, in LA or in Harlem, you are getting hit up to buy something. It can anything from cookies, to a religious book, or anything and I think that the level of capitalism and commerce taking place at a black masjid is excessive for a place of worship.

I use to say the exact samething.. but when I was young my mother explained to me these places have bills to pay (travel, security, time). Churches beg for money also.. and offer front seats for a fee- to rich people. Many past the bowl around repeatedly. And they hardly ever cease to run the line about giving 10% of your earnings to god. And some sell Bibles too.

you have some good points that I agree with but this one is weak... seems you are overlooking what is normal practice in most big churches.

The key here is big churches. My church started off not having a building for 15 years, until 2000 they rented an elementary school on the weekends. Even at some large churches they will not emphasize tithing. It's something you should do out of you own heart, not pressure or compulsion:

2 Corinthians 9:7
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

That being said, there are countless people hustling Christians in the church. Tim LaHaye from a few years back comes to mind, as well as many prominent public figures in the Evangelical world (700 Club). Religion always has and always will be abused for money; there's no such thing as new game. Look in the Tanakh, Bible, Qu'ran, any ancient text and there will be stories about it thousands of years old.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... hp?t=37056
http://apmagazine.proboards74.com/index ... 996&page=1

[AllhoodPublications]

^ http://www.orlutheran.com/html/stew.html

*Giving money to the church on Sunday morning is at least as old as the Christian Church. St. Paul speaks of it, charging the Corinthians to give a certain amount on the first day of the week.

*In our day there is both confusion and hostility surrounding this subject, no doubt due to infamous televangelists who have fleeced their followers in recent years.

*Is giving money to God optional? Absolutely not! Christians are commanded by God to give of their possessions to the work of God.

*It is only in this context that giving money for God's work can be correctly understood. The reason Christ and the apostles can so matter-of-factly command us to give (e.g., Luke 6:38; 11:41; Gal. 6:6), is because it is only natural that we would give back to God what He has first given to us. No one is exempted from this command to give. It has nothing to do with income or means (remember the widow -- Mark 12:41-44!). Everyone can give something for everyone has something from God -- no matter how little. Not that we are actually giving to God, as if He needed our gifts. Rather, we give to support His work here on earth

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at some large churches they will not emphasize tithing. It's something you should do out of you own heart, not pressure or compulsion:

Quote:
2 Corinthians 9:7
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Thats what they teach now.. In the Old Testament, it was 10% of one's possessions, commanded by God (Lev. 27:30-32). In the Hebrew, the word for tithe means "a tenth" of something.

Fact is... someone has to pay the bills, pay for the service, or pay for Gods work being done. Just because its a mosque doesn't make it worse than the next church service. If its one thing I agree with 'X' on, its the brainwashing of Black Americans that think everything white is right, and everything Black is bad.

[alexalonso]

Everytime you go to a black mosque or masjid, in LA or in Harlem, you are getting hit up to buy something. It can anything from cookies, to a religious book, or anything and I think that the level of capitalism and commerce taking place at a black masjid is excessive for a place of worship.

I use to say the exact samething.. but when I was young my mother explained to me these places have bills to pay (travel, security, time). Churches beg for money also.. and offer front seats for a fee- to rich people. Many past the bowl around repeatedly. And they hardly ever cease to run the line about giving 10% of your earnings to god. And some sell Bibles too.

you have some good points that I agree with but this one is weak... seems you are overlooking what is normal practice in most big churches.

Giving donations to a church is one thing, but turning the church or mosque into a place of commerce is another. I am equally disgusted by these pimping preachers that you see on TV late at night that want to charge you for a prayer call. These are all the anti-christ and they will be dealt with in due time.

[MiChuhSuh]

Fact is... someone has to pay the bills, pay for the service, or pay for Gods work being done. Just because its a mosque doesn't make it worse than the next church service. If its one thing I agree with 'X' on, its the brainwashing of Black Americans that think everything white is right, and everything Black is bad.

It disgusts me more when a church tries to pimp the congregation, my links point mostly to criticisms of churches. I'm not gonna get into black/white stuff.

Giving donations to a church is one thing, but turning the church or mosque into a place of commerce is another. I am equally disgusted by these pimping preachers that you see on TV late at night that want to charge you for a prayer call. These are all the anti-christ and they will be dealt with in due time.

Yup.

[AllhoodPublications]

I got nothing against a man's hustle, but I think it is degrading to a place of worship.

as did Christ.... and so many others...

Agreed, but playing with little boys and losing law suits for child molestation doesn't make the Catholic Church look like a place that I would want to worship in either..

[AllhoodPublications]

It disgusts me more when a church tries to pimp the congregation, my links point mostly to criticisms of churches. Yup.

I bet 'X' would rather be pimped by Farrakhan than screwed by the Pope.

[justice league]

Church is for people that cant find their own faith in God.

I dont need tobe told what i ahve always known..... there is a Supreme Being... and 'He' has no religion or human attributes as we would like to define them, but is bigger and more impressive than we can imagine.

When God fits in a box (or ideal), God is no longer omnipotent

[alexalonso]

It disgusts me more when a church tries to pimp the congregation, my links point mostly to criticisms of churches. Yup.

I bet 'X' would rather be pimped by Farrakhan than screwed by the Pope.

the Pope and Farrakhan are one in the same. The NOI and the Catholic church, and many other religions are serving self interests. But this string is called "Does It Make Any Sense To Be Black And Christian?" and I dont see why it does not make sense for a person of any race to be a christian. I am curious to know why should a black person be more cautious about Christianity?

[Sentenza]

It disgusts me more when a church tries to pimp the congregation, my links point mostly to criticisms of churches. Yup.

I bet 'X' would rather be pimped by Farrakhan than screwed by the Pope.

the Pope and Farrakhan are one in the same. The NOI and the Catholic church, and many other religions are serving self interests. But this string is called "Does It Make Any Sense To Be Black And Christian?" and I dont see why it does not make sense for a person of any race to be a christian. I am curious to know why should a black person be more cautious about Christianity?

Dont you think it is because many blacks think it is the religion of the "oppressor"?