Obamas racist and anti-semitic church

[Christina Marie]

Comment by Jerry Gordon

Barack Obama, the emerging champion of “hope and change” in the tussle for the Democratic Presidential nomination in the New Hampshire primary has two problems. One is the continuing question of whether he was ever a practicing Muslim, a matter that Dan Pipes addresses in a FrontPageMagazine article today entitled: “Confirmed: Barack Obama practiced Islam”. Pipes calls him “an irregularly practicing Muslim” in riposte to criticism of Pipes allegations based on an L.A. times report back in March, 2007.

I consider that a mere piffle when compared to something we have posted on: Obama’s membership in a Chicago South Side Trinity United Church of Christ headed by a racist and anti-semitic pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.

Obama has gone out of his way to point to this relationship as evidence of his being a professing Christian and, simultaneously, as Pipes has pointed out a murtadd or apostate under Islam.

Now, comes this Ron Kessler Washington Insider NewsMax.com piece revealing the bizarre, racial and anti-semitic views of Pastor Wright, including the allegation that we, ‘as a white nation brought 9/11 down on ourselves because of our violent acts’.

Is the smoke coming out of your ears, yet?

Look at what Kessler cites:

In sermons and interviews, Dr. Wright has equated Zionism with racism and Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday after 9/11, Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

In one of his sermons, Wright said, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

As for Israel, “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,” Wright has said. “Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”

Either Barrack Obama disavows his membership in Pastor Wright’s church with its bizarre ‘racist and anti-semitic views’ or he’s toast even among liberal Democratic voters, if they haven’t been taken in by his platitudinous mantra of ‘hope and change’.

Should Obama emerge as a Democratic front runner in these early primaries, this scurrilous relationship will likely do him in, even if he feigns to disavow Pastor Wright’s racist and anti-semitic views. Barack Obama still belongs to Pastor Wright’s Trinity United Church in Chicago.

Barack Obama’s Racist Church

If Sen. Obama rejects the Rev. Wright’s warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church?

Monday, January 7, 2008 10:16 AM

By: Ronald Kessler, Washington Insider, NewsMax.com,

Imagine if Mitt Romney’s church proclaimed on its website that it is “unashamedly white.”

The media would pounce, and Romney’s presidential candidacy would be over. Yet that is exactly what Barack Obama’s church says on its web site — except in reverse.

“We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,” says the Trinity United Church of Christ’s website in Chicago. “We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”

That’s just the beginning. The church has a “non-negotiable commitment to Africa,” according to its website, and its pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. subscribes to what is called the Black Value System.

While the Black Value System includes such items as commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to “our racist competitive society” and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of “middle-classness” and a pledge of allegiance to “all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.” It defines “middle-classness” as a way for American society to “snare” blacks rather than “killing them off directly” or “placing them in concentration camps,” just as the country structures “an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.”

In sermons and interviews, Dr. Wright has equated Zionism with racism and Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday after 9/11, Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

In one of his sermons, Wright said, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

As for Israel, “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,” Wright has said. “Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”

Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. He has been attending Wright’s church regularly since 1988.

http://blog.americancongressfortruth.co ... ic-church/

[clipse]

Let the propaganda begin...

[A Ghost]

[Christina Marie]

Can you please explain to the class what is the point you are trying to make? LOL

[A Ghost]

Just because it's a "black church" doesnt make it racist.

[MiChuhSuh]

Just because it's a "black church" doesnt make it racist.

cmon man, I don't agree with the article 100% but don't dumb down the arguments into black/white without any gray space. The issue was his views towards Jews, the state of Isreal, and his emphasis on segregation.

Personally it's hard for me to explain to Muslims (Sunnis and Shiites, not NOI) why Christians in America are split up into ethnic groups on Sunday. Martin Luther King, Jr. said that "Sunday is the most segregated day of the week" meaning we have breached the sanctity of the Sabbath by splitting up instead of being one in Christ. My only half answer to that was that some people can't speak the same language which is why we have Korean speaking, Spanish speaking, Chinese speaking, etc churches, but then they asked what about people who only speak English, and I really couldn't say anything other than it's for un-biblical reasons and doesn't reflect the real religion itself.

[Cold Bear]

From my experiences at black churches there's always some whites and other races there it's just a certain way of worship and a certain style amongst majority black congregations that makes it a black church interested with happenings in the black community.

I don't see how " ‘as a white nation brought 9/11 down on ourselves because of our violent acts’. " is racist or anti-semitic? Many many people around the globe feel like that. Colonization and Imperialism did not create good will to Britain or France or any body else either. Shit our own country was founded on fighting oppression of British rule.

Plus our 'welfare' money going to Israel every year in the billions is really making us hated in that region.

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

[MiChuhSuh]

I don't see how " ‘as a white nation brought 9/11 down on ourselves because of our violent acts’. " is racist or anti-semitic? Many many people around the globe feel like that. Colonization and Imperialism did not create good will to Britain or France or any body else either. Shit our own country was founded on fighting oppression of British rule.

Plus our 'welfare' money going to Israel every year in the billions is really making us hated in that region.

I don't see any of that as racist or anti-semitic, but this is just one in a group of articles about this guy, and he made some unsettling remarks in his church bulletins about Jews. But as far as the quotes in this article, no I just see them as political and even historical.

However, this comment:

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

This was racially divisive and not consistent with the biblical message of:
Galatians 3

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If that's his opinion, then he has every right to it, but don't say it from the pulpit, say it as an individual. He is speaking from a personal and racial perspective rather than a biblical on, and when he goes up and says he's the Reverend he need to be just that. He should say his other ideas on his own time and not using the congregation's money when it comes off as emphasizing rivalries between "different" groups of people.

[MiChuhSuh]

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."

This isn't even consistent with Obama's political message, saying I don't see a white America and a black America and a Latino America and an Asian America, I just see America.

That's my hope for America as well.

[MiChuhSuh]

^ unrelated - make a new thread for that article.

can you respond to any of my posts?

[Cold Bear]

I don't see how " ‘as a white nation brought 9/11 down on ourselves because of our violent acts’. " is racist or anti-semitic? Many many people around the globe feel like that. Colonization and Imperialism did not create good will to Britain or France or any body else either. Shit our own country was founded on fighting oppression of British rule.

Plus our 'welfare' money going to Israel every year in the billions is really making us hated in that region.

I don't see any of that as racist or anti-semitic, but this is just one in a group of articles about this guy, and he made some unsettling remarks in his church bulletins about Jews. But as far as the quotes in this article, no I just see them as political and even historical.

However, this comment:

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

This was racially divisive and not consistent with the biblical message of:
Galatians 3

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If that's his opinion, then he has every right to it, but don't say it from the pulpit, say it as an individual. He is speaking from a personal and racial perspective rather than a biblical on, and when he goes up and says he's the Reverend he need to be just that. He should say his other ideas on his own time and not using the congregation's money when it comes off as emphasizing rivalries between "different" groups of people.

The above article I posted was relevant in that the initial article was a smear that people should really think twice about. Why you getting so bossy and shit fool? Lol

You know what the quote you posted as being divisive: I was going to mention it but then thought 'you know what that really is an emotionally based comment that is not worthy of being defended' Some of us will believe that it is the truth and others will characterize it as racially divisive. A lot of pastors will use personal, secular observations and points as a foundation to reach out to people, because ultimately you want to see religion tied into world politics etc. for it to be relevant. Take that to bible study classes if you want to read the passages word for word and dissect the meaning. That's what these so called biblical scholars do such as the Seventh Day Adventists etc. who approach the book very studiously. All these megachurch pastors are more like secular life coaches and motivational speakers as well, it's a sacrifice that all denominations have made in order to keep people interested in coming to church. You have to make the teachings relevant if you want people to buy it. If they don't buy it, the churches will shut down like many of these Catholic churches are doing here in NYC.

But as far as you then citing biblical passages about all men being sons of God you should really take that up with certain elements of the Jewish community that truly believe that they are the ONLY chosen people of God, and right wing anti-immigration fanatics that believe this country is not for everyone. I'm not even going to debate the worth of that quote because I'm with it.

[Tre]

Newsweek did an investigation and found nothing racist or separatist about Obama’s church. This is all propaganda!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw[/youtube]

[EmperorPenguin]

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

The problem I have with this statement is, it's making 9/11 a black and white thing. It's basically saying that because of the "white" attitude in America, and not acknowledging black concerns 9/11 happened. It rings an errily similar tone to GodHatesFags.com, where in because some Americans support gay rights, American soldiers die. 9/11 wasn't because of White people ignoring Black people it was because of American foreign policies and for the fear of anything not Christian.

[clipse]

Newsweek did an investigation and found nothing racist or separatist about Obama’s church. This is all propaganda!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw[/youtube]

:roll:

Let the propaganda begin...

[Cold Bear]

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

The problem I have with this statement is, it's making 9/11 a black and white thing. It's basically saying that because of the "white" attitude in America, and not acknowledging black concerns 9/11 happened. It rings an errily similar tone to GodHatesFags.com, where in because some Americans support gay rights, American soldiers die. 9/11 wasn't because of White people ignoring Black people it was because of American foreign policies and for the fear of anything not Christian.

I would disagree with your opinion because I believe all these invaded countries pretty much see it as a white man thing. Like in vietnam where the VC would direct propaganda to black soldiers saying 'this is not a fight with you' 'this is not your war' etc. Could just be a divisive thing but in the Middle East, South America, and other places I would bet that despite A LOT of soldiers being brown and black they see a white man at the helm. The speaker is taking sides with other people of color overseas to show solidarity with their struggle.

[Sentenza]

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

The problem I have with this statement is, it's making 9/11 a black and white thing. It's basically saying that because of the "white" attitude in America, and not acknowledging black concerns 9/11 happened. It rings an errily similar tone to GodHatesFags.com, where in because some Americans support gay rights, American soldiers die. 9/11 wasn't because of White people ignoring Black people it was because of American foreign policies and for the fear of anything not Christian.

I would disagree with your opinion because I believe all these invaded countries pretty much see it as a white man thing. Like in vietnam where the VC would direct propaganda to black soldiers saying 'this is not a fight with you' 'this is not your war' etc. Could just be a divisive thing but in the Middle East, South America, and other places I would bet that despite A LOT of soldiers being brown and black they see a white man at the helm. The speaker is taking sides with other people of color overseas to show solidarity with their struggle.

Muslims dont thinks so much in categories of Black and White. They think in terms of Muslim/non-Muslim. It doesnt matter if you are black, white or brown, as long as you are Muslim.

Racial conflicts based on skin color play a very little role in the middle east.

And its very European/American aswell, to think that the rest of the world thinks in these racial categories.

[EmperorPenguin]

This comment: “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” is pretty much saying that all the colonization and the institutionalized racism that came with it is having repurcussions.

The problem I have with this statement is, it's making 9/11 a black and white thing. It's basically saying that because of the "white" attitude in America, and not acknowledging black concerns 9/11 happened. It rings an errily similar tone to GodHatesFags.com, where in because some Americans support gay rights, American soldiers die. 9/11 wasn't because of White people ignoring Black people it was because of American foreign policies and for the fear of anything not Christian.

I would disagree with your opinion because I believe all these invaded countries pretty much see it as a white man thing. Like in vietnam where the VC would direct propaganda to black soldiers saying 'this is not a fight with you' 'this is not your war' etc. Could just be a divisive thing but in the Middle East, South America, and other places I would bet that despite A LOT of soldiers being brown and black they see a white man at the helm. The speaker is taking sides with other people of color overseas to show solidarity with their struggle.

That's again people making it a black/white thing. Like you stated, the VC would turn it into a colour issue to help their cause. And unlike you, I do doubt they see it as a white man at the helm in the Middle East conflict. They see it as a non-muslim at the helm of a western nation trying to convert them. Those who are starting these conflicts are doing it because of the policies of the other leaders involved not over skin colour. I think people will try to further then own agendas by MAKING it about colour. But thats my opinion and I respect yours.

[Cold Bear]

Whatever man

I heard from people overseas in Arab countries and China, that people are surprised to see a black man come so far in politics in 2008. To them it makes them think differently of America because they view America as being oppressive towards black people (which is based on history). They can think whatever they want over there but they view the west as a white man thing and racially divided.

[Cold Bear]

^ last comment towards Sentenza

to Emperor penguin it's typical to pretend the black/white thing does not exist or did not exist. People call it like it is because it IS a black and white thing. how convenient to be color blind when somebody points the finger at you

[Old Shatterhand]

Arabia and China live under very authoritarian forms of government. I prefer they don't tell us how to run a Democracy until they really have one themselves.

That said. Barack won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office there hangs a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara. Be careful what you wish for Cold Bear.

Whatever man

I heard from people overseas in Arab countries and China, that people are surprised to see a black man come so far in politics in 2008. To them it makes them think differently of America because they view America as being oppressive towards black people (which is based on history). They can think whatever they want over there but they view the west as a white man thing and racially divided.

[EmperorPenguin]

^ last comment towards Sentenza

to Emperor penguin it's typical to pretend the black/white thing does not exist or did not exist. People call it like it is because it IS a black and white thing. how convenient to be color blind when somebody points the finger at you

I'm not pretending the whole black/white thing doesn't exist. You seem to be taking this in a whole other direction. I'm not ignoring the black concerns, I'm saying I don't feel those black concerns, or the lack of "White Americas" interest in those concerns were a connection to the motives, or a lead up to 9/11. I think 9/11 had more to do with American Government sticking it's nose in other countries policies and religions then it was a white/black thing. So far I've heard Japan, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Cuba and now some guy who apparently is speaking for the black community say "9/11 happened because you did this to us before." All countries and nations at some point made a point of fucking over other nations and people. I still believe 9/11 had more to do with the current state of America, and it's policies on how it deals with Middle Eastern nations then it did with how the world seems to view how America and it's past. That's not pretending something didn't exist as you so eloquently put it, I'm just not connecting the dots as you are. Perhaps a better explanation is in place.

I don't need to defend Sentz, but I would be willing to wager he's had more interaction with people in those areas then you have. Just my guess.

[Cold Bear]

Arabia and China live under very authoritarian forms of government. I prefer they don't tell us how to run a Democracy until they really have one themselves.

That said. Barack won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office there hangs a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara. Be careful what you wish for Cold Bear.

Lol I don't know if I'm supposed to be scared? I stopped saying the pledge of allegiance in elementary school. I love where I live clearly but politically I'm not hugely averse to certain socialist ideas. BUT I'LL BE CAREFUL THOUGH

And yeah Sentenza is probably more knowledgeable but the more he's right, the more he proves my point, that race based divisions are much worse in the West than in other parts of the world, that's why they see us as hypocritical. He didn't even disprove my point but reinforced it.

[EmperorPenguin]

Arabia and China live under very authoritarian forms of government. I prefer they don't tell us how to run a Democracy until they really have one themselves.

That said. Barack won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office there hangs a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara. Be careful what you wish for Cold Bear.

Lol I don't know if I'm supposed to be scared? I stopped saying the pledge of allegiance in elementary school. I love where I live clearly but politically I'm not hugely averse to certain socialist ideas. BUT I'LL BE CAREFUL THOUGH

And yeah Sentenza is probably more knowledgeable but the more he's right, the more he proves my point, that race based divisions are much worse in the West than in other parts of the world, that's why they see us as hypocritical. He didn't even disprove my point but reinforced it.

I don't think it's a matter of other countries viewing America as hypocritical, I think it's a question of whether that view is what gives them the reason to hate America. I think it has more to do with how they feel America treats other nations or how America forces itself into other countries business.

[Sentenza]

And yeah Sentenza is probably more knowledgeable but the more he's right, the more he proves my point, that race based divisions are much worse in the West than in other parts of the world, that's why they see us as hypocritical. He didn't even disprove my point but reinforced it.

I didnt even want to disprove you, but the whole race rhetoric is mostly unknown to the Muslim world. I have never heard an islamic extremist using the term "white". Not even once.Or the term "race" They simply just dont think in those terms. They dont care about that.
And that is for some reason. One of the most basic Islamic Doctrines is that all humans are equally "low" before god. Raising one race above the other would basically equal heresy.
Racism is a secular idea and therefore widely abandoned in Islam. I am sure there are everyday people who ate that idea up, but if you try to bring it into an official islamic context you will get shot.

When i was in Cairo, there was a black Muslim who asked me if its true that in Germany he might get harrassed for his skin color. I said yes and he was surprised.
Black, brown and white Muslims were praying right next to each other on a Friday.
The issues are not between race, but between religions in the middle east.
Yes, there are a lot of ethnic conflicts also, between Kurds and Turks, Kurds and Arabs, Pashtuns and Persians and so on, but they have nothing to do with the color of skin. Not at all. As a black Christian, you will be treated the same way as a white Christian. You will not get a pass when worst comes to worst.

But not even being a black muslim is guaranteeing you to be safe.
Look at Sudan, the Darfur conflict. The "Fur" are a black Muslim tribe and Darfur means "House of the Fur" in arabic. The conflict is between Black Muslims and Arab Muslims. And its not based on race, its based on grasing grounds which the Arabs tried to claim for them. The Fur are called "Cattle Herders" in Sudanese terminology and the Arabs are called "Camel Herders". Because of exceptional dryness the Camel Herders tried to claim Fur grasing grounds and thats how it started off.

[Tre]

Arabia and China live under very authoritarian forms of government. I prefer they don't tell us how to run a Democracy until they really have one themselves.

That said. Barack won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office there hangs a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara. Be careful what you wish for Cold Bear.

For the record Shatterhand the site of this flag is not an “Official” Obama campaign office. Many of these “Unofficial” sites are not regulated by the “Official” offices nor does the “Official” campaign offices check “Unofficial” sites. It’s not unusual in these places for people to post flags from whatever area or country they may be from. I’ve seen “Unofficial” Hillary campaign offices with Mexican flags! You also have “Official” state sanctioned confederate flags flying over “Government” buildings!

[Sentenza]

I'm not pretending the whole black/white thing doesn't exist. You seem to be taking this in a whole other direction. I'm not ignoring the black concerns, I'm saying I don't feel those black concerns, or the lack of "White Americas" interest in those concerns were a connection to the motives, or a lead up to 9/11. I think 9/11 had more to do with American Government sticking it's nose in other countries policies and religions then it was a white/black thing.

Its really weird to me how someone would think of linking 9/11 to the black and white situation and racism.
That really has absolutely nothing to do with it.
9/11 was committed by a bunch of crazed Islamistic extremists who wanted to hit a important symbol of the hated west.
And when you hear them talking about the West, they dont refer to white people, but they rather choose terms like "Infidels", "Crusaders", "Big Satan" etc. etc. And those include all the people of color who live in the west too.
They use these terms also, when dealing with India, Japan, China etc.
Muslims and Hindus have a long long traditional feud aswell which cumulated in the separation of Pakistan from India.
And as much as those terrorist organizations are historically rooted in anti colonial movments, islamic fundamentalism is the reactionary manifestation of structural failure within the societies in of the middle east. Why? Because they catapult these countries back into the stone age instead of progressing.
History already has shown that there is a lot of potential for Islam to be a vehicle of progress (like the Golden Muslim Age 8-12th century a.D.), but whats happening right now certainly isnt it. Just my 2 cents.

Thats as if Europeans/Americans would say, hey, lets go back to the roots and give all power to the Pope again and start burning witches.

[Old Shatterhand]

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

Arabia and China live under very authoritarian forms of government. I prefer they don't tell us how to run a Democracy until they really have one themselves.

That said. Barack won’t wear an American flag on his lapel, but on the wall of his Houston campaign office there hangs a Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara. Be careful what you wish for Cold Bear.

For the record Shatterhand the site of this flag is not an “Official” Obama campaign office. Many of these “Unofficial” sites are not regulated by the “Official” offices nor does the “Official” campaign offices check “Unofficial” sites. It’s not unusual in these places for people to post flags from whatever area or country they may be from. I’ve seen “Unofficial” Hillary campaign offices with Mexican flags! You also have “Official” state sanctioned confederate flags flying over “Government” buildings!