Jesus Christ the miraculous

[alexalonso]

Whether you are a Christian or not, most people are convinced that Jesus Christ was the most amazing person to ever walk the earth. Many people witnessed his miracles that have yet been replicated, and his message, delivered with peace was the most powerful ever done.

Even though it has been over 2000 years, his existence is well documented, and his actions awwed everyone around.

Will there ever be another person to come as inspiration and powerful yet full of humility?

[justice league]

Whether you are a Christian or not, most people are convinced that Jesus Christ was the most amazing person to ever walk the earth. Many people witnessed his miracles that have yet been replicated, and his message, delivered with peace was the most powerful ever done.

Even though it has been over 2000 years, his existence is well documented, and his actions awwed everyone around.

Will there ever be another person to come as inspiration and powerful yet full of humility?

Undeniably true.... and I am not a christian.

[punamusta]

So what did this Jesus guy actually provedly do? Basically everything that is told about him is only in the Bible. And people can't seriously believe everything that was writen in the Bible, right? And you know the Bible is basically a compilation book of astrology and fairytales put together to control the people the way their rulers wanted.

I believe all the "miracles" this guy did are only an imagination of the people.

[twocost]

Whether you are a Christian or not, most people are convinced that Jesus Christ was the most amazing person to ever walk the earth. Many people witnessed his miracles that have yet been replicated, and his message, delivered with peace was the most powerful ever done.

Even though it has been over 2000 years, his existence is well documented, and his actions awwed everyone around.

Will there ever be another person to come as inspiration and powerful yet full of humility?

I don't believe there will be another to come close to matching his greatness. Not ever. The funny thing is he was only on this earth for 26 years I believe. 26 Years and has made such an impact on the world as we know it. Its simply amazing.
I'm Catholic btw.

[clipse]

Just curious. Which one are ya'll talking about, the Revolutionary Jesus, or the blonde, blue-eyed, watered down one america created?

[twocost]

Just curious. Which one are ya'll talking about, the Revolutionary Jesus, or the blonde, blue-eyed, watered down one america created?

lol the Revolutionary one.

[clipse]

Just curious. Which one are ya'll talking about, the Revolutionary Jesus, or the blonde, blue-eyed, watered down one america created?

lol the Revolutionary one.

Im sure some of these in here are not.

[twocost]

Just curious. Which one are ya'll talking about, the Revolutionary Jesus, or the blonde, blue-eyed, watered down one america created?

lol the Revolutionary one.

Im sure some of these in here are not.

sry man I don't understand what you meant.

[MiChuhSuh]

Just curious. Which one are ya'll talking about, the Revolutionary Jesus, or the blonde, blue-eyed, watered down one america created?

The fake white image of Jesus was around before america

[clipse]

Just curious. Which one are ya'll talking about, the Revolutionary Jesus, or the blonde, blue-eyed, watered down one america created?

The fake white image of Jesus was around before america

Yeah ok, the point is the fake one is the one some of these I'm sure are speaking of.

[alexalonso]

So what did this Jesus guy actually provedly do? Basically everything that is told about him is only in the Bible. And people can't seriously believe everything that was writen in the Bible, right? And you know the Bible is basically a compilation book of astrology and fairytales put together to control the people the way their rulers wanted.

I believe all the "miracles" this guy did are only an imagination of the people.

Jesus' existence is documented in many other sources outside the bible. He is even mentioned in the Koran, although Muslims dont believe that he is the son of God, but if you dont believe that Jesus was a real person that performed acts never before seen, I suggest that you research, read, and learn. And there is nothing in the bible that suggests that it is book of astrology.

Your sentence just informed the massed that you never read the Bible and you have been brainwashed to believe something about the Bible that is 100% false. Wake up man - open you eyes, and at least read. Better yet, read me the compilation of astrology part in the Bible and teach me something. Maybe I am the idiot.

[punamusta]

Jesus' existence is documented in many other sources outside the bible. He is even mentioned in the Koran, although Muslims dont believe that he is the son of God, but if you dont believe that Jesus was a real person that performed acts never before seen, I suggest that you research, read, and learn. And there is nothing in the bible that suggests that it is book of astrology.

I believe there was a guy called Jesus who apparently was a Jewish teacher, but to say that he was documented in many sources is exaggerating. There were mentions about Jesus basically in four gospels (and all four had slightly different versions of him), and in writings of Tacitus and Josefus who didn't say a single word about his "miracles". After Jesus died, people came up with this whole Christianity thing and created the myth of Jesus, the miracle maker, and the son of God, and whatever. There is no single document from the time Jesus was still alive that would say anything about the miracles you clame he did. Everything was made up long after he was already dead. The whole Christianity and other religions as well are based on a myth. A myth that some people choose to believe.

About the astrology aspect of the Bible and the basis of the myth of Christianity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg

[clipse]

After Jesus died, people came up with this whole Christianity thing and created the myth of Jesus, the miracle maker, and the son of God, and whatever.

AFTER he died?


Can anyone point to the chapter/verse of the Bible where Jesus prached he was a christian? Where he told the people to be christians?
Or even the word "christianity" in any of the over 300 versions of the Bible? Please no long sermon, just the verse/chapters of the Bible where the above can be found. Thanks.

[punamusta]

After Jesus died, people came up with this whole Christianity thing and created the myth of Jesus, the miracle maker, and the son of God, and whatever.

AFTER he died?

Yes, after he died. Afterwards people even wrote the new book of myths for the Christians, called the New Testament. In that book Jesus was a sort of a superman who did several miraculous acts that people even today believe he really did.

[GodsWarrior]

The Bible is the documentation that has been handed down from generation to generation. The Bible was kept intact and distributed by King James. Before King James interceded the Bibles were kept safely tuct away by the preachers of the gospel, however King james felt that the word of God should be and was distributed amongst the people. The Bible was and still is the original transcript of the word of God, and all of Jesus Christ,s action. Their were individuals in charge of the documentation, that was their job to witness and record.

My fine young friends, the word of God, and the Bible, the belief of Jesus Christ is all based on faith, you have to have faith. As far as the white Jesus Christ...he was neither white or black, he was a mid eastern. Yes America did portray jesus as being white, with blue eyes, and who is to say he was not. You all have to remember, or maybe you did not know, but the continents were not all seperated by water then, this didnt happen until the ice age, the melt down of glaciers when the lands were divided. however I will say he was of mid eastern characteristics, just because.....

The Bible, if read from the heart will change you. If you ask for forgiveness, and ackowledge the fact that Jesus did die on the cross, and that he did arise three days later, and ask Jesus to come into your life, he will...And I promise you will be a changed man.

[GodsWarrior]

The Bible is the documentation that has been handed down from generation to generation. The Bible was kept intact and distributed by King James. Before King James interceded the Bibles were kept safely tuct away by the preachers of the gospel, however King james felt that the word of God should be and was distributed amongst the people. The Bible was and still is the original transcript of the word of God, and all of Jesus Christ,s action. Their were individuals in charge of the documentation, that was their job to witness and record.

My fine young friends, the word of God, and the Bible, the belief of Jesus Christ is all based on faith, you have to have faith. As far as the white Jesus Christ...he was neither white or black, he was a mid eastern. Yes America did portray jesus as being white, with blue eyes, and who is to say he was not. You all have to remember, or maybe you did not know, but the continents were not all seperated by water then, this didnt happen until the ice age, the melt down of glaciers when the lands were divided. however I will say he was of mid eastern characteristics, just because.....

The Bible, if read from the heart will change you. If you ask for forgiveness, and ackowledge the fact that Jesus did die on the cross, and that he did arise three days later, and ask Jesus to come into your life, he will...And I promise you will be a changed man.

[EmperorPenguin]

You all have to remember, or maybe you did not know, but the continents were not all seperated by water then, this didnt happen until the ice age, the melt down of glaciers when the lands were divided.

I'm not going to get into some sort of religious argument with you but are you seriously telling me that the continents 2000 years ago were together so it's plausible that Jesus could have been any colour? I know some times followers of the bible's history lessons when it comes to science may be clouded but you're saying that an ice age happened AFTER Jesus died and that the continents had split up after that?

[alexalonso]

Jesus' existence is documented in many other sources outside the bible. He is even mentioned in the Koran, although Muslims dont believe that he is the son of God, but if you dont believe that Jesus was a real person that performed acts never before seen, I suggest that you research, read, and learn. And there is nothing in the bible that suggests that it is book of astrology.

I believe there was a guy called Jesus who apparently was a Jewish teacher, but to say that he was documented in many sources is exaggerating. There were mentions about Jesus basically in four gospels (and all four had slightly different versions of him), and in writings of Tacitus and Josefus who didn't say a single word about his "miracles".

Are you saying that you believe Tacitus' writing are reliable? Let me know, since you sourced him I am curious since he didnt mention any miricles, does his version of Jesus sound more plausible to you? And Josephus too. Do you accept what they both said about Jesus?

[boston312]

The claim that Jesus even existed is questionable at best according to many in the secular scientific and history communities. Outside of the bible very little is recorded about Jesus. Secular Jewish and Roman historians alike never make a reference about the man during Jesus' lifetime. The Egyptians who kept historic records (heiroglyphics) and documents also never mentioned Jesus, which is ironic since they are right next to Israel. This is a bit ironic for a man who was supposed to have magical powers and known from "sea to sea" as the bible put it. Also, the claim that thousands of bodies arose from the grave and was witnessed by thousands of Jews (as the bible claims) also should have been recorded by at least one historian.


The first secular historian to even mention Jesus was "Josephus" in 79 A.D. But that would be like World War 2 occuring in 1941-1945 and not being recorded by any of the world's historians untill today (2008). Dont you think tht people who live a thousand years from now are going to wonder why nothing was recorded during the war?

To make matters even more comlicated the Church didnt even put the new testament together untill the 4th centry (Council of Nidea) in which powerful clergy members came together and argued about which documents and information would be assimilated into the Roman's new religion of Christianity. This leads to more doubt about the accuracy of information from a supposed man who lived 400 years ago (from the time Clergy put together the Bible)

The Bible and Christianity would later be used as a justification to enslave, genocide and conquer heathens (non-Christians) throughout the rest of the world. Most of these heathens would consist of black and brown people who would be forced into Christianity or be forced to suffer the fheir fatal consequences.

[Old Shatterhand]

Could our atheist friend Panik be back?

Jesus' existence is documented in many other sources outside the bible. He is even mentioned in the Koran, although Muslims dont believe that he is the son of God, but if you dont believe that Jesus was a real person that performed acts never before seen, I suggest that you research, read, and learn. And there is nothing in the bible that suggests that it is book of astrology.

I believe there was a guy called Jesus who apparently was a Jewish teacher, but to say that he was documented in many sources is exaggerating. There were mentions about Jesus basically in four gospels (and all four had slightly different versions of him), and in writings of Tacitus and Josefus who didn't say a single word about his "miracles".

Are you saying that you believe Tacitus' writing are reliable? Let me know, since you sourced him I am curious since he didnt mention any miricles, does his version of Jesus sound more plausible to you? And Josephus too. Do you accept what they both said about Jesus?

[Old Shatterhand]

It's hard to know even where to begin there's so many false assertions here. Those You Tube videos are some of the biggest mash of hogwash I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of it by atheists and pagans over the years. Not a single eminent respected historical scholar has ever cosigned this and none ever will. This is the domain of nutjob neo-revisionist authors with less than stellar credentials who spend their lives trying to redefine reality to conform to their own liking.

Piecing together false history's of who Jesus was and what he did is wrong but you have the freedom to do it. Just don't expect those who know better to go along with these fanciful made up tales.

And instead of shotgunning an entire encyclopedia of myths strung together to look like some kind of systematic approach (looks more like a systematic set of false assertions tailor made for for uneducated people who don't know the difference to me), how about picking one criticism or offering one assertion and we'll discuss that. From there we can expand the scope in a rational way. That's what scholars do when they debate each other and they do it that way for a reason friend.

Jesus' existence is documented in many other sources outside the bible. He is even mentioned in the Koran, although Muslims dont believe that he is the son of God, but if you dont believe that Jesus was a real person that performed acts never before seen, I suggest that you research, read, and learn. And there is nothing in the bible that suggests that it is book of astrology.

I believe there was a guy called Jesus who apparently was a Jewish teacher, but to say that he was documented in many sources is exaggerating. There were mentions about Jesus basically in four gospels (and all four had slightly different versions of him), and in writings of Tacitus and Josefus who didn't say a single word about his "miracles". After Jesus died, people came up with this whole Christianity thing and created the myth of Jesus, the miracle maker, and the son of God, and whatever. There is no single document from the time Jesus was still alive that would say anything about the miracles you clame he did. Everything was made up long after he was already dead. The whole Christianity and other religions as well are based on a myth. A myth that some people choose to believe.

About the astrology aspect of the Bible and the basis of the myth of Christianity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg

[punamusta]

Then show me the historical books outside of the Bible that talks about Jesus's "miraculous acts". As he was such a superman I'm sure his acts was widely recorded by historians of his time and you can come up with endless amounts of books telling about those amazing acts.

[Old Shatterhand]

All of this is elementary. Historians believe ancient notable individuals existed because of three primary reasons:

• written documentation from early historians
• historical impact
• other historical and archaeological evidence

Now you believe in Alexander the Great, of course, right? Well The historicity of Alexander the Great comes from only five ancient sources, none of which were eyewitnesses and the earliest written several hundred years after his death, with Plutarch's Life of Alexander being the primary account of his life (written 400 years after his death). Even with the time gap, historians are convinced that Alexander existed and the essential details of what we read about his life are true. Yet, I don't see you here making up nonsense about him. So I have to wonder why the vendetta against Jesus?

It's not because of the historical evidence, that's for sure. The historical evidence for Jesus and his life is overwhelming by the standards scholars and historians use for measuring truth in antiquity. We have twenty-seven manuscripts (compiled are today called the New Testament) written by authors who claim to have either known Jesus or received firsthand knowledge of him from others.

Yes the four Gospel accounts record Jesus’ life and words from different perspectives but these accounts have been heavily scrutinized by scholars both inside Christianity and outside it for centuries; the result being that a few fringe radicals aside, the consensus of most historians is the accounts give us a clear picture of Jesus.

Next, Jesus opponents wrote of him. And they had the most to gain by denying Jesus existence. Like you, they had a belief system opposed to that of Jesus but their writings do not even begin to hint that he was not a historical person.

Flavius Josephus, born just a few years after Jesus died, would have been keenly aware of Jesus reputation among both Romans and Jews and in Antiquities of the Jews wrote of Jesus as a real person. “At that time lived Jesus, a holy man, if man he may be called, for he performed wonderful works, and taught men, and joyfully received the truth. And he was followed by many Jews and many Greeks.”

Early secular writers made references to Jesus as a real person. Alonso was directing you to Cornelius Tacitus who affirmed that Jesus had suffered under Pilate. Then you have the historical impact. Not only do we have tangible proof of the key players in the saga surrounding Jesus life, we also have a changed world that Jesus only three years to lay the groundwork for. I could go into any of these points in detail and many many more. The point is that you do have, what is in historical terms, overwhelming evidence of Jesus existence as well as how he lived his life. But if you spend all your time reading conspiracy books by wiccans, neo-pagans, and those out to make a quick buck off of inventing silly conspiracies that look sophisticated to the uneducated lost soul; then you get what you have imo.

Then show me the historical books outside of the Bible that talks about Jesus's "miraculous acts". As he was such a superman I'm sure his acts was widely recorded by historians of his time and you can come up with endless amounts of books telling about those amazing acts.

[Sentenza]

I dont even want to go into the whole religious aspect, but i do think that there was little mention of him because they simply didnt consider him important.
He was just another "insurgent" for the Romans. And all the important Historians of that time that we know about were Romans.

[Old Shatterhand]

It's not what you think, it's what you can prove.

http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

I dont even want to go into the whole religious aspect, but i do think that there was little mention of him because they simply didnt consider him important.
He was just another "insurgent" for the Romans. And all the important Historians of that time that we know about were Romans.

[Sentenza]

It's not what you think, it's what you can prove.

http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusmyth.htm

I dont even want to go into the whole religious aspect, but i do think that there was little mention of him because they simply didnt consider him important.
He was just another "insurgent" for the Romans. And all the important Historians of that time that we know about were Romans.

I have stopped challenging peoples religious beliefs anyways because i think if religion makes you a better person anything is fair game. Its about what you preach, not the way you do it.
I do believe in God, even though the way i do is probably not the common, traditional christian way, but oh well, that is between me and the man above.