The Family Business

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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The Family Business

Postby thewestside » February 3rd, 2008, 4:01 am

This is a list of the various businesses, legal and illegal, that the five New York Mafia families have been involved in over the years -


Genovese Family

* Waterfront (Manhattan, New Jersey, Miami)
* Fulton Fish Market
* Construction
* Garbage hauling (New York, New Jersey, Connecticut)
* Javits Center - conventions, trade shows
* Seafood trucking, wholesaling
* Vending machines
* Garages, parking lots
* Real estate
* Bars and restaurants
* San Gennaro festival
* Atlantic City and Las Vegas - entertainment industry, gambling junkets
* Unions - ILA, Teamsters, Laborers, Carpenters, Hotel Employees Union
* Illigitimate - gambling, loansharking, extortion, narcotics, stock fraud, healthcare fraud
* Active in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Florida, Nevada, California


Gambino Family

* Waterfront (Brooklyn, Staten Island)
* Garment center - trucking companies, clothing firms
* Garbage hauling (New York, Long Island)
* Construction
* Supermarket chains
* Meat wholesaling
* Auto repair, towing
* Bars and restaurants
* Unions - Teamsters, ILA, Laborers, Roofers
* Illigitimate - gambling, loansharking, extortion, narcotics, auto theft, pornography distribution
* Active in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Nevada, California


Lucchese Family

* Airports (JFK, LaGuardia)
* Garment center - trucking companies, clothing firms
* Garbage hauling (New York, Long Island)
* Construction
* Produce wholesaling
* Bars
* Unions - Laborers, Teamsters, Painters, Ironworkers, Carpenters
* Illigitimate - gambling, loansharking, hijacking, narcotics, high-end burglaries
* Active in New York, New Jersey, Florida, Nevada, California


Colombo Family

* Construction
* Garbage hauling (New York, Long Island)
* Limo services
* Funeral parlors
* Auto dealerships
* Unions - Concrete workers, Laborers, Teamsters, Operating Engineers
* Illigitimate - gambling, loansharking, extortion, narcotics, brothels, stock market fraud
* Active in New York, New Jersey, Florida, Nevada, California


Bonanno Family

* Restaurants
* Catering trucks
* Moving companies
* Unions - newspaper delivery, moving and storage
* Illigitimate - narcotics, gambling, loansharking, stock market fraud
* Active in New York, New Jersey, Florida, Nevada, California
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Postby TeeKay » February 3rd, 2008, 4:13 am

Would u agree that Gambinos and Genovese are the more prosperous families of the 5?
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Postby thewestside » February 3rd, 2008, 8:42 pm

TeeKay wrote:Would u agree that Gambinos and Genovese are the more prosperous families of the 5?


Without a doubt, the Genovese and Gambinos have been the two largest, richest, and most powerful of the five New York families. They have been called the two "millionaire crime families," being as they have more members who are millionaires than the other three families. The real question, which has brought about much debate, has been who has been the more prosperous of the two, the Genovese or Gambinos. The two have always rivaled each other in size, as well as in many areas such as the waterfront, garbage hauling, construction, trucking, etc. However, the Genovese family has always been considered the wealthier and more sophisticated of the two. The Genovese family has traditionally been the more influential family in both New York and the nation, representing most of the east coast families on the Commission. It is the Genovese family who is known within law enforcement and the press as the "Ivy League of the Underworld" and the "Rolls Royce of Organized Crime."
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Postby TeeKay » February 4th, 2008, 2:10 am

True, but how come they always refered to Gambinos, well actually mainly their bosses, i.e Castellano and Gotti bein the "Bosses of Boss's" ?
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Postby thewestside » February 4th, 2008, 3:38 pm

TeeKay wrote:True, but how come they always refered to Gambinos, well actually mainly their bosses, i.e Castellano and Gotti bein the "Bosses of Boss's" ?


From the 1920's through the 1950's, the Genovese were the largest and most powerful family in New York. At their peak, the family had about 450 members, while the Gambino family had about 400. In 1957, Carlo Gambino took over the family, which benefited greatly from his leadership until he died in 1976. It was during this same time frame that the Genovese family seemed to suffer from a lack of definitive leadership. By the 1970's, Carlo was certainly the most powerful boss in New York, holding considerable influence over the bosses of some of the other families. Even though the position of Capo di Tutti Capi, or Boss of Bosses, technically did not exist, Gambino was essentially the defacto Boss of Bosses. Under his reign, the Gambinos passed up the Genovese in terms of membership size, and many in both law enforcement and the media held the belief that the Gambinos were the most powerful family. As you mentioned, this belief continued through the reigns of both Castellano and Gotti, who were also dubbed by the media as the Boss of Bosses. It wasn't until the 1990's, when the Gambinos began to decline, that many than considered the Genovese to have replaced them as the most powerful family.

So, basically the Gambinos were seen as the top family by many during the 60's, 70's, and 80's. However there were others, in both law enforcement and the underworld, that believed the quiet and more secretive Genovese family actually remained the most powerful. What many saw as a lack of leadership in the Genovese family was actually by design. The family purposely kept their leadership behind the scenes and under the radar to avoid law enforcement scrutiny. As a result, law enforcement was unsure who exactly were the top leaders in the family. In 1990, Time magazine did a report on the Genovese family. It quoted Richard Ross, one of the FBI's experts on the Mafia, as saying "You keep hearing all this crap about Gotti being the Boss of Bosses, but the Genovese have always been the country's most powerful family." Joseph Coffey, of the New York State Organized Crime Task Force, agreed saying "I consider them the Ivy League of the Underworld." New York Police Commissioner Lee Brown described the Genovese family as the "most stable, the best counseled, and the most diversified business-crime group in the country." Many in the Mafia itself agreed. Former Philadelphia underboss Phil Leonetti described the Genovese as the "most secretive, cautious, well organized, and most powerful mob family in the nation." Former Lucchese family acting boss Al D'Arco agreed saying, "I have always considered the Genovese family to be the most powerful LCN family in the country." Former Lucchese captain Anthony Accetturo said, "If anyone survives, it will be the Genovese."

It's true that Carlo Gambino was the most powerful boss during his time, but the Genovese remained the most powerful family. As said before, the Gambinos rivaled the Genovese in many areas such as the waterfront, garbage hauling, construction, trucking, etc. In the illigitimate sphere, the Genovese have had larger gambling and loansharking operations, while the Gambinos have been more deeply involved in narcotics and pornography. The Gambinos were also the larger family until the 1990's. However, as also said, the Genovese family has always been considered to be wealthier and have the most sophisticated operations. In addition to representing most of the eastern families on the Commission, the Genovese have also traditionally been more aggressive than the Gambinos in expanding operations outside of New York. They have had more power on a national basis with the big four unions - the ILA, Teamsters, Laborers, and Hotel Employees Union. They have also traditionally had more political influence.
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Postby Word » May 1st, 2008, 12:14 pm

Got a list of the businesses ran by the other Families, outside of NY?
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Postby thewestside » May 1st, 2008, 7:36 pm

Word wrote:Got a list of the businesses ran by the other Families, outside of NY?


Throughout the rest of the families, it's pretty much the same businesses. LCN families across the country have always been heavily involved in bars, restaurants, nightclubs, and strip clubs. They use them as fronts for illegal operations, and they are mainly a cash business, which allows the mob to skim profits and launder money. Many of the families are also involved in construction and any type of business dealing with the building trades. A few outside New York have interests in garbage hauling and trucking. And there are other businesses such as auto dealerships, food and beverage wholesaling, linen services, supermarkets, etc.
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Postby thewestside » May 2nd, 2008, 11:03 pm

La Nova Restaurant Chain - owned by the Buffalo family. Joseph Todaro Sr. is the long time boss of the family. His son Joe Jr. is the underboss. However, both are semi-retired now. I don't think Joe Todaro III is made.

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Umberto's Restaurant in Manhattan - owned by Genovese captain Matthew Ianniello

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Kind of crummy pictures. The one on the left is the Parkside Restaurant in Queens - owned by Genovese captain Anthony Federici. The one on the right is Rigoletto's Restaurant in the Bronx - owned by Genovese captain Patsy Parello.

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The Satin Dolls strip club in New Jersey (where The Sopranos Bada Bing scenes were filmed) has long been tied to the Genovese family.

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The Scores strip club in New York and the Gold strip club in Atlanta, both of which made protection payments to the Gambino family for years.

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The Foxy Lady strip club in New England is ran by the Patriarca family.

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Delilah's strip club in Philadelphia made payments to the Philadelphia family back in the 1990's.

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The Crazy Horse Too strip clubs. The left one is in Las Vegas, the right one is in Chicago. Both were owned by the Chicago Outfit. The Chicago one still is but the Las Vegas one got raided and shutdown in 2003.

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D&P Construction in Chicago is owned by the Outfit.
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The Romantique Limo Company in New York is run by the Colombo family.

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Tocco Construction is owned by the Detroit family.

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Postby Word » May 3rd, 2008, 9:15 am

^^^^ Good post, westside..
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Postby Word » May 3rd, 2008, 9:21 am

Can the Feds / Authorities do anything about it, knowing that these places are ran by O.C.?


thewestside wrote:The Scores strip club in New York and the Gold strip club in Atlanta, both of which made protection payments to the Gambino family for years.

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The Crazy Horse Too strip clubs. The left one is in Las Vegas, the right one is in Chicago. Both were owned by the Chicago Outfit. The Chicago one still is but the Las Vegas one got raided and shutdown in 2003.

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Damn, it's a trip how the NY Scores strip club paid protection to the Gambinos.. Did they have to pay it? Do you know how much it was and if they still do?


I remember the Crazy Horse Too strip club in Vegas ~> had no idea that the Chicago Outfit ran it..

Are there any more Organized Crime in Vegas or did everything stop once the corporations took it over?
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Postby thewestside » May 3rd, 2008, 3:22 pm

Word wrote:Can the Feds / Authorities do anything about it, knowing that these places are ran by O.C.?


They can if they can prove there is illegal activity going on. In the case of the Crazy Horse Too in Las Vegas, the feds were able to prove that it was being used as a front for racketeering activity including skimming, extortion, tax evasion, etc. The Foxy Lady in New England and the Satin Dolls in New Jersey have both been used as fronts for illegal gambling operations. Many of the businesses though are ran more or less completely legitimate. Mobsters need a source of legitimate income they can show for income tax purposes.

Damn, it's a trip how the NY Scores strip club paid protection to the Gambinos.. Did they have to pay it? Do you know how much it was and if they still do?


Turcoat Gambino captain Michael "Mikey Scars" DiLeonardo testified that the family was taking upwards of $15,000 a week out of the place. Even the employees in the club had to kickback some of their earnings. $200,000 a year came just from skimming off the coat check and valet parking. Eventually there was a beef between Gambino members about their stakes in the enterprise and one side took a one time payoff of $100,000 to relinquish their claim. The Gambinos extorted the club for about a 7 year period, from 1991 to 1997. It was during this same time period that the Gambinos were also extorting the Gold strip club in Atlanta.

I remember the Crazy Horse Too strip club in Vegas ~> had no idea that the Chicago Outfit ran it..

Are there any more Organized Crime in Vegas or did everything stop once the corporations took it over?


The mob still hovers on the fringes of things. They aren't involved with the casinos anymore. Now, they are mainly involved in street level rackets like loansharking, drug trafficking, escort services, various frauds and scams, etc.
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Postby Mr.Bungle » May 25th, 2008, 1:16 am

westside, do you have a history of the Todaros? How did they get so rich and famous with wings? Did they really come up with them? What about their past criminal histories? And is JoeyIII involved with the mafia in any way?
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Postby thewestside » May 25th, 2008, 2:40 pm

Mr.Bungle wrote:westside, do you have a history of the Todaros? How did they get so rich and famous with wings? Did they really come up with them? What about their past criminal histories? And is JoeyIII involved with the mafia in any way?


Although the Todaros have long been considered the leaders of the Buffalo LCN by the FBI, they have actually never been convicted of any crimes. Joe Sr. and Joe Jr. and more or less retired. I don't believe Joe III is even made. He's always been a legitimate guy involved with the family's pizza business. Though they would say otherwise, it's probable that the money to start the business came from illegal mob activities. A poster from the other forum (Little Joe Shots) actually wrote a good article about them and the Buffalo family on Wikipedia (link below).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_crime_family
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » October 21st, 2008, 2:55 pm

Does anyone know about the Patriarca Family? (Boston and Providence)
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » October 21st, 2008, 6:35 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:Does anyone know about the Patriarca Family? (Boston and Providence)


What are you asking specifically?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » October 22nd, 2008, 12:37 pm

Specifically, like what bussiness's they run? and where they run those businesses.
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » October 22nd, 2008, 5:04 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:Specifically, like what bussiness's they run? and where they run those businesses.


That's a pretty big question.

The New York Families own or have ties to numerous companies involved in various industries up and down the eastern seaboard. The waterfront, construction, demolition, asbestos removal, solid and toxic waste hauling, trucking, recycling, food and beverage wholesaling, vending, bars and restaurants, auto dealerships, motels, limo services, real estate, and so on.
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » October 22nd, 2008, 5:10 pm

thewestside wrote:
LoveTheMafia wrote:Specifically, like what bussiness's they run? and where they run those businesses.


That's a pretty big question.

The New York Families own or have ties to numerous companies involved in various industries up and down the eastern seaboard. The waterfront, construction, demolition, asbestos removal, solid and toxic waste hauling, trucking, recycling, food and beverage wholesaling, vending, bars and restaurants, auto dealerships, motels, limo services, real estate, and so on.


Sorry, I forgot you were talking about the Patriarcas.

Obviously Patriarca Underboss Carmine "The Cheesman" DiNunzio owns the Fresh Cheese Shop on Endicott Street in the North End. Various other Famlily members have interests in some legitimate businesses (bars, construction, etc.) but the organization is primarily a street operation now, i.e. illegal gambling, loansharking, exortion, drug trafficking, stolen goods, etc.

Check out this very well done piece done on the Patriarcas last year. On the right side are some multimedia selections. Click on the one that says "Patriarca Crime Family Tree." And then click on the individual photos of some of the members shown there.

http://www.projo.com/extra/2007/mob/
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » October 25th, 2008, 2:08 pm

Does anyone know where the headquater(s) are for the Patriarcas?? (Boston and Providence)
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » October 27th, 2008, 1:26 pm

what are the names of the family members and what ligit businneses (name of the place) do they own in the north end?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » November 10th, 2008, 3:21 pm

does any one of 5 families own something like canal st. (knock off clothes/accesories/bags) in new york?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » November 10th, 2008, 4:29 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:does any one of 5 families own something like canal st. (knock off clothes/accesories/bags) in new york?


I'm not sure. The biggest operators in counterfeit products are Asian groups.
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » November 10th, 2008, 5:17 pm

but do any of the 5 families own flee markets?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » November 10th, 2008, 8:53 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:but do any of the 5 families own flee markets?


The families have been involved in flea markets in the past. Probably still are. Gambino captain John Gotti and Colombo captain Michael Franzese had a sitdown about a dispute over a flea market back in the 1970's I believe.
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » November 12th, 2008, 6:20 pm

when the sopranos were filming in the satin dolls, did the genevose know that a fake mafia tv show was filming?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » November 12th, 2008, 6:42 pm

has any of the mafia families have teenagers "do some mob work" like bookmaking, narcotics..ect? Because when you watch the goodfellas, you see "Tommy" and you see "Henry Hill" selling cigarettes, and you think to yourself, has the mafia in todays age let kids (teenagers: 17,18,19) "do some work"?????
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » November 12th, 2008, 7:17 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:when the sopranos were filming in the satin dolls, did the genevose know that a fake mafia tv show was filming?


Yeah, The Sopranos filmed in various parts of New York and New Jersey in addition to the Satin Dolls club. It was common knowledge to everone, including the mob.

has any of the mafia families have teenagers "do some mob work" like bookmaking, narcotics..ect? Because when you watch the goodfellas, you see "Tommy" and you see "Henry Hill" selling cigarettes, and you think to yourself, has the mafia in todays age let kids (teenagers: 17,18,19) "do some work"?????


I imagine they still do, though perhaps not as much as there used to be. You just don't hear of many juveniles being involved in mob busts nowadays. That is probably due to the fact that the mob, as a whole, has gotten older and the newer generations are not getting involved in "the life" but are going the legitimate route. Nowadays, young guys by mob standards are in their 20's and 30's.
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » November 12th, 2008, 7:27 pm

do you think teenagers are starting to blossom into the businness though?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby thewestside » November 12th, 2008, 7:42 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:do you think teenagers are starting to blossom into the businness though?


Sure, there are still a lot of teenage wannabes around. Many of them the sons and nephews of mobsters, though most mobsters want their kids to go legitimate nowadays. A good example is Vincent Arena, 23 years old. He is the son of a Genovese member Steven Arena and the Godson of Gambino captain Frank Cali. He had a $100,000 a year no-show job on the docks. So he basically has it made right? Well this idiot was recently convicted for killing another guy by the name of Anthony Braccia (27) over some stupid arguement. Arena and some of his buddies killed Braccia in a van. Arena stabbed him 31 times. Very typical of most young guys nowadays. Hotheaded morons who no brains and aren't really cut out for a successful career in the mob.
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Postby razbojnik » November 13th, 2008, 10:38 am

Word wrote:^^^^ Good post, westside..


You've been away a loooong fucking time, and I do agree with it being a good post.
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Re: The Family Business

Postby LoveTheMafia » November 15th, 2008, 10:47 am

do you think the health inspectors or who ever inspects these resturants to make sure they are clean, know that it is run by the mafia?
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Re: The Family Business

Postby razbojnik » November 18th, 2008, 5:26 pm

LoveTheMafia wrote:do you think the health inspectors or who ever inspects these resturants to make sure they are clean, know that it is run by the mafia?


I'm pretty sure they can bribe the food inspectors if they've had presidential families on their side in history.
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