anyone else think that

[PolakoMafia]

that outside of black people and other nationalities like many mexicans, mongolian type burly pony tailed asians, and some arabs, people in general like white people have a natuiral aversion toward violence and engaging in violence? Meaning its alot harder for a white people to stab someone or shoot someone and they generally are more rational and analyze their actions first rather thanr eacting on impulse or on instinct? Do u guys think there is some truth to this? I mean for some ppl shooting or stabbing someone is no different than yelling at someone while for many others they would have a great battle within their psyche just to be able to do it.

[whiskeyjack]

not in russia

[EmperorPenguin]

It has to do with how a person is raised and the environment that surrounds them not their skin colour.

[atm//TONE]

yea its the enviroment if your brought up in
have you ever heard of the vikings they'd rape kill children and all that good stuff and theyre white

[whiskeyjack]

yea its the enviroment if your brought up in
have you ever heard of the vikings they'd rape kill children and all that good stuff and theyre white

just like the moors in southern italy and spain way back in the day

[PolakoMafia]

the moors werent white, and an army invading is pretty much free to do what it wants without much chance of getting caught, but its different with civilians doing that. And in poor hick or rural communities u dont have really that big of a crime problem or violence.

[whiskeyjack]

-then i guess the vikins comment is irrelvant too

-your right we dont deal with that shit, we deal with hoes (Dirty trailer park girls gone wild ), moonshine, and scavaging scrap metal

[PolakoMafia]

its better to just live on the side of a store and get drunk every night than engage in stupid gang shooting crap.

[Azure9920]

that outside of black people and other nationalities like many mexicans, mongolian type burly pony tailed asians, and some arabs, people in general like white people have a natuiral aversion toward violence and engaging in violence? Meaning its alot harder for a white people to stab someone or shoot someone and they generally are more rational and analyze their actions first rather thanr eacting on impulse or on instinct? Do u guys think there is some truth to this? I mean for some ppl shooting or stabbing someone is no different than yelling at someone while for many others they would have a great battle within their psyche just to be able to do it.

Crime is a by-product of poverty, black, white, whomever.

A black OR WHITE kid in the "ghetto" is more likely to do something criminal than a rich kid growing up in an upscale neighbourhood going to a private school.

Your racist thoughts are WRONG.

[atm//TONE]

the moors werent white, and an army invading is pretty much free to do what it wants without much chance of getting caught, but its different with civilians doing that. And in poor hick or rural communities u dont have really that big of a crime problem or violence.

so its cool to rape as long as your invading

[Sentenza]

that outside of black people and other nationalities like many mexicans, mongolian type burly pony tailed asians, and some arabs, people in general like white people have a natuiral aversion toward violence and engaging in violence? Meaning its alot harder for a white people to stab someone or shoot someone and they generally are more rational and analyze their actions first rather thanr eacting on impulse or on instinct? Do u guys think there is some truth to this? I mean for some ppl shooting or stabbing someone is no different than yelling at someone while for many others they would have a great battle within their psyche just to be able to do it.

How do you explain all the wars in Europe then with all the 100ds of thousands of rapes, massacres, slaughtering of civilians and millions of deaths? Why has Russia one of the highest murder rates in the world?
How do you explain the sky high murder rates in most south american countries?
What about the rampant violence in the warzones of the middle east, with people hacking and slaying each other left and right?

No matter where you go, you will find people thatll cut your head off without a second thought.

[Christina Marie]

Mind you this is only representing the U.S.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

[Sentenza]

Mind you this is only representing the U.S.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Ok, but i still think it has to do with the social status. Like poor people are much more likely to commit crimes then wealthy people, independent from race. I dont think that black people are born with a proneness for violence. What about mixed people then, are they half prone to violence? It doesnt make sense to me like that.

Like in Germany for example people always come up with statistics, that Muslims are more criminal then native germans. And its true. But whats also true is, that they are living in poverty overproportionally. And if you split it up like that, poor Germans are just as criminal as poor Muslims.
So statistics can be pretty misleading.
If you go and hunt a rabbit and you shoot at it, missing twice, once on the left side and once on the right side, then statistically the rabbit is dead.

[Silencioso]

Mind you this is only representing the U.S.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

It looks like the murder rate for whites and blacks is narrowing. At least there's some good news.

[Old Shatterhand]

As long as it's headed down.

Mind you this is only representing the U.S.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

It looks like the murder rate for whites and blacks is narrowing. At least there's some good news.

[thekinks1886]

It has to do with how a person is raised and the environment that surrounds them not their skin colour.

not always, nature and nurture often mix, some people will always do evil and violent actions no matter how much love they receive as a kid

[thekinks1886]

that outside of black people and other nationalities like many mexicans, mongolian type burly pony tailed asians, and some arabs, people in general like white people have a natuiral aversion toward violence and engaging in violence? Meaning its alot harder for a white people to stab someone or shoot someone and they generally are more rational and analyze their actions first rather thanr eacting on impulse or on instinct? Do u guys think there is some truth to this? I mean for some ppl shooting or stabbing someone is no different than yelling at someone while for many others they would have a great battle within their psyche just to be able to do it.

Crime is a by-product of poverty, black, white, whomever.

A black OR WHITE kid in the "ghetto" is more likely to do something criminal than a rich kid growing up in an upscale neighbourhood going to a private school.

Your racist thoughts are WRONG.

this isnt exactly true, for instance, most people in those ghettos are not criminals, and rape isnt an economic crime- also many of these criminals are well fed, have roofs over their head, tvs, mp3s, internet etc etc- its crime for crime sake

[Sentenza]

It has to do with how a person is raised and the environment that surrounds them not their skin colour.

not always, nature and nurture often mix, some people will always do evil and violent actions no matter how much love they receive as a kid

On what do you think it depends? I think environment can mean family and cultural socialization.
I still dont think that there is a "violence" or a "crime" gene that is predominant in certain races.
Of course you will have people who are more prone to be violent because of genetical predisposition, but you will find those in all races.
They did some research among incarcerated people and found out that many who had been put to jail because of very violent crimes have a higher testosterone level than average for example.

[thekinks1886]

[quote="Sentenza]
How do you explain all the wars in Europe then with all the 100ds of thousands of rapes, massacres, slaughtering of civilians and millions of deaths?
[/quote]

technology basically- the nazis had a well ordered system of killing people- in Rwanda one million people were offed within 3 months using axes, knives etc

Why has Russia one of the highest murder rates in the world?

The problem with African murder rates is the lack of internal controls, system, recording, police, methodolgy- ie no one really knows how many murders are committed in most african countries

How do you explain the sky high murder rates in most south american countries?

The only "white" south american countries are Chile, Paraguay? The others are pretty much a mix of spanish, amerindian and black
What about the rampant violence in the warzones of the middle east, with people hacking and slaying each other left and right?

No matter where you go, you will find people thatll cut your head off without a second thought.

this is true, however certain repeating "stats" across the world are hard to ignore as well
Hell any "race" can do evil, no doubt, but still, you can't help wondering.........

[Sentenza]

The problem with African murder rates is the lack of internal controls, system, recording, police, methodolgy- ie no one really knows how many murders are committed in most african countries

Yea and now we are getting to the core of the problem. Most western countries have a well organized law enforcement system.
The state is strong and regulating everything basically. Russia is an exception because even though the Russian government is strong too, there is a long history of alcohol abuse, corrupt law enforcement and a lack of valuing a human life in Russia.
And also geographically it is impossible to get a grip of Russia, cause its huge.
In most african countries, the state is absent and they are for the most part disorganized law free zones. Now why these countries are in such a desolate condition is the question. Because that is what leads to the circle of violence, civil war, massacres, desensitization to violence and so on, which is very predominant in africa. And we can not ignore certain factors here and race is not one of them. The fucked up colonial legacy, corruption, economical exploitation, tribal rivalries and so on. That is what keeps africa in the state it is. No of course, it is within the responsibility of africans themselves to step up their game, because world politics isnt fair and doesnt know mercy. If you dont take what you deserve you will be left behind.

[/quote]
this is true, however certain repeating "stats" across the world are hard to ignore as well
Hell any "race" can do evil, no doubt, but still, you can't help wondering.........[/quote]

Yes, but i read an essay once on crime in the middle ages and they said that crime rates in Europe where extremely high during that time, because of the factors i stated above.
When the state and law enforcement and moral ethics (Human rights etc.)were developed during the 18th-19th century violence dropped at large.

[Sentenza]

Yea and now we are getting to the core of the problem. Most western countries have a well organized law enforcement system..

That is also, why many asian countries like China, Japan or Singapur and also a couple of islamic countries have traditionally low crime rates. The saying "The grass must bend, when the wind blows across it" perfectly reflects that philosophy. When the government orders you to do something you must follow or you will be taken out. This has been practised over centuries in East Asia and led to a very disciplined attitude. The punishments that were implemented for only the most minor crimes in ancient japan make extremist muslims & the Sharia look like a fucking joke.

Social control is also the key word. Intact family- and social structures are the best crime preventor. Which means for example that if you live in Cairo and you steal something, most probably someone in the neighbourhood will know you and tell your family and they will punish you hard or in the worst case expel you from the family. You will loose everything. That is the reason, why Cairo, the largest city in Africa, with more then 20 Million people living there has a very low crime rate.
Now if you grow up in a favela in Brazil as an orphan and all the people around you are crackheads, no one will give a shit about you and you dont have anything to loose.
All these structures have been destroyed in southern Africa and South America.

[thekinks1886]

Social control is also the key word. Intact family- and social structures are the best crime preventor. Which means for example that if you live in Cairo and you steal something, most probably someone in the neighbourhood will know you and tell your family and they will punish you hard or in the worst case expel you from the family. You will loose everything. That is the reason, why Cairo, the largest city in Africa, with more then 20 Million people living there has a very low crime rate.

The problem there is the balance between "control" and police state- taking an extreme view Germany under Hitler would have had a low crime rate, same for Russia under Stalin- Egypt likes to tout itself as a modern world country where freedoms are enshrined- it is in fact quite the police state- watched an excellent documentary on Cairo on Channel 4 (British tv) about the rubbish people, who basically survive by sorting the rubbish- the rubbish people are Christians and oppressed minority in Egypt- the British reporter encountered extraordinary levels of state interference, escorting, monitoring etc, both by clothed police and plain clothed security forces

Now if you grow up in a favela in Brazil as an orphan and all the people around you are crackheads, no one will give a shit about you and you dont have anything to loose.
All these structures have been destroyed in southern Africa and South America.

What structures were destroyed in sub saharan Africa? Do you mean post colonialism or as a result of colonialism- pre colonialism sub saharan africa was largely a tribalist entity- the problem with Africa is whether it can free itself from tribal politics, corruption, wars, etc- is it ever going to become a suitable land for nation states.

Just as an side, reading a book at the moment called Blood Rites, and the extent of human sacrifice, to this day in Africa is truly startling- in European eyes we would have to rewined 2,000 years to the Celts, Vikings etc to get a similar culture- shocking stuff and again the true extent of the thousands killed this way each year will never be known

[Sentenza]

The problem there is the balance between "control" and police state- taking an extreme view Germany under Hitler would have had a low crime rate, same for Russia under Stalin- Egypt likes to tout itself as a modern world country where freedoms are enshrined- it is in fact quite the police state- watched an excellent documentary on Cairo on Channel 4 (British tv) about the rubbish people, who basically survive by sorting the rubbish- the rubbish people are Christians and oppressed minority in Egypt- the British reporter encountered extraordinary levels of state interference, escorting, monitoring etc, both by clothed police and plain clothed security forces

It is, thats true. Egypt is a country on the edge of civil war at times. But my example was just meant to show how ethics and family structures can prevent crime. If Egypt was in the condition of, lets say Colombia, then no police force in the world could control a city of 20+ million.

What structures were destroyed in sub saharan Africa? Do you mean post colonialism or as a result of colonialism- pre colonialism sub saharan africa was largely a tribalist entity- the problem with Africa is whether it can free itself from tribal politics, corruption, wars, etc- is it ever going to become a suitable land for nation states.

Just as an side, reading a book at the moment called Blood Rites, and the extent of human sacrifice, to this day in Africa is truly startling- in European eyes we would have to rewined 2,000 years to the Celts, Vikings etc to get a similar culture- shocking stuff and again the true extent of the thousands killed this way each year will never be known

I would say partially because of colonialism but especially because of what happened after the colonial era. Africa hasnt always been like this with wars and genocides taking place all over the place.
The random borders that the colonial powers drew and the exploitation and destruction of historically grown societies lead to the catastrophic situation in africa nowadays.
Tribalism is another factor that keeps it going.

[thekinks1886]

It is, thats true. Egypt is a country on the edge of civil war at times. But my example was just meant to show how ethics and family structures can prevent crime. If Egypt was in the condition of, lets say Colombia, then no police force in the world could control a city of 20+ million.

indeed, ethics and family structures can prevent crime- would not disagree. Take the UK for example our family structure and dilution of morality since the 1960s has witnessed severe epidemics of criminality in our cities. It is not always a nice thing to hear for certain people but lack of a father figure is a big factor- YES a child can be born into loving family with a father and mother and go into crim, and YES a child born to a single mother can be a wonderful productive human being, HOWEVER on a societal basis it is much more likely that being born into a single parent household will lead into crime

I would say partially because of colonialism but especially because of what happened after the colonial era. Africa hasnt always been like this with wars and genocides taking place all over the place.

I think Africa always had problems with tribal conflict, obviously, pre colonialism, this was little known about and on a much lower scale due to massively lower population in such a huge continent and the modern tribal conflicts now have the added bonus of modern technology (although not to the same extent available in Europe)

The random borders that the colonial powers drew and the exploitation and destruction of historically grown societies lead to the catastrophic situation in africa nowadays.
Tribalism is another factor that keeps it going.

Possibly however, what was the alternative? Africans wanted europeans out (Europeans had lost the will to govern Africa) so some sort of national boundary had to be drawn- in sub saharan africa this was always going to cause problems with such endemic tribal, ethnic, cultural division.


The European notion of nation state came to formation in the 17th century (although certain nations had already fostered this notion of nationhood, such as Britain and Spain) so we have had 300+ years to get used to the notion- I just don't know when sub saharan Africa will be ready for the same transition?

[Sentenza]

indeed, ethics and family structures can prevent crime- would not disagree. Take the UK for example our family structure and dilution of morality since the 1960s has witnessed severe epidemics of criminality in our cities. It is not always a nice thing to hear for certain people but lack of a father figure is a big factor- YES a child can be born into loving family with a father and mother and go into crim, and YES a child born to a single mother can be a wonderful productive human being, HOWEVER on a societal basis it is much more likely that being born into a single parent household will lead into crime

Which should be a wake up call for all people to take care of their kids and be responsible. And i am not only talking financially.
I would bet a large amount of money that that would reduce crime a lot in couple of years.