A Black man who hates Mexicans

[alexalonso]

I keep getting messages to my youtube account from the black dude who I believe just hates Mexicans, illegal or not. He hates the mayor, he think Jamiel was killed radomly by a Mexican to kill a black, and he thinks that I am an uncle Tom, because I have no problems with Mexicans.
You can watch his silly videos at: http://www.youtube.com/user/jijilog

Here is his message:


"YOUR NOT SPEAKING FOR THE MAJORITY OF BLACKS!! THAT FEEL LIKE ME!!! ILEGAL IMAGRATION HARMS BLACKS ALOT!! AND I THINK ITS A SHAME THAT A INTLEGENT BLACK MAN LIKE YOU ARE SO LOYAL TO A RACE THAT IS NOT LOYAL TO US!! NO MEXICAN LEADERS EVEN CARED TO COME AND HELP JAMIEL SHAWS FATHER !! WHO I KNOW PERSONALY!! I SPOKE WITH HIM!! AND THAT MAYER IS BACKED BY MEXICAN MAFIA IOO PERCENT!! YOU DONT HAVE FACT!! YOU VERY WRONG!! THE MAYOR MAIN INTRESTED IS HIS RACE!! AND IF YOU CANT SEE THAT YOUR BLIND AND NEED TO LOOK AGAIN SIR!! MEXICANS DONT SHOW NO INTRESED TO THE BLACK COMUNITY!! BUT YET YOUR A VOICE FOR A MEXICAN COMUNITY THAT PROVED THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT BLACKS!! NOW I ASK YOU TO SHOW ME A SITE WITH A MEXICAN TALKING LOVE FOR US BLACKS AND YOU COULD NOT!! SO THAT MAKE YOU REALY SOUND IGNORANT AND LIKE A UNCLE TOM!! IF YOU CAN NOT PROVIDE ME A SITE OF MEXICANS TALKING LIKE YOU!!! PLEASE DONT COMMENT ON MY SITE!!! YOU MAKE BLACKS LOOK SOFT AND DUMB!!!! THANK YOU!! AND STOP TOMMING!!

AND THE MEXICAN MAFIA HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT EVIL MAYOR!! HE ALLOWS THE MEXICAN MAFIA TO ORDER HITS ON BLACKS!! AND THE MAYOR!! IS DOING NOTHING TO STOP THEM!! HE WONT EVEN COMMET ON IT !!! YOU DUMB IDIOT BITCH!!!! ((SAMBO)) WE NEED TO DEPORT BLACKS LIKE YOU OUT THE HOOD!! (((GHETTO PASS REVOCED)))) !!! BOOT LICKING NEGRO!! GO DO A HAT DANCE IN EAST__LA!! PUNK!!!

AND THE MAOR DO SUPPORT THE MEXICAN MAFIA HE WONT EVEN COMMET ON HOW THEY KILL BLACKS!! AND HOW THEY COME HERE MIS USE THIS COUTRY!! YOU OLD BOOT LICKING SAMBO UNCLE TOM NEGRO!! GO DO A HAT DANCE IN EAST-LA!! AND HOW MANY MEXICAN COCK YOU PUT IN YOUR ASS TO THINK THE WAY YOU DO SELL OUT GOOD DAY!! I LOSS RESPECT FOR YOU!! OK!!"



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eSuKMXNK2Q[/youtube]

[sweetness]

I keep getting messages to my youtube account from the black dude who I believe just hates Mexicans, illegal or not. He hates the mayor, he think Jamiel was killed radomly by a Mexican to kill a black, and he thinks that I am an uncle Tom, because I have no problems with Mexicans.
You can watch his silly videos at: http://www.youtube.com/user/jijilog

This guy's aware of whats going on in the United States Of America.And that is ethnic cleansing and race war.I use to live in Los ANgeles(Sunset District)and I watched Mexicans drive pass innocent blacks and taunt, and yell racial slurs at them just like the whites did in the early 1960's.This is how Mexicans treat blacks after they have developed a large majority.And the MAyor really does suck,he has made Los ANgeles a Sanctuary City For Hispanic Gangs.That is why so many innocent people are now bieng killed by taggers.ANd Jamiel SHaw was randonly killed by a Mexican Immigrant who should not have been in this country.He was killed because he is black.ANd I feel sorry for his family,and I wonder why you obviously don't.In my opinion you are behaving like an Uncle Tom,you are denying the fact that these people are destroying your people while taking jobs away,and avoiding you and mocking you.These people seriously believe that they are above black people and black people deserve punishment for mistreating America.These poeple feel no guilt over slavery or segragation or jim crow laws,because they just don't care.These people are your destroyer and so black people should be on the fron line against more illegals invading the country while law makers help them duck and dodge american laws.I can tell you that i've been pulled over by a cop right in front of a group of Day Laborers who the police wont even pay attention to,and I argued with the cop,I asked why are'nt you investigating them for tax evasion and I can honestly tell you its because they would perfer to Harrass American Citizens especially Blacks. ANd So AlexAlonso you are an Uncle Tom,If you are going to allow your people to be sitting ducks while America releases its new secret weapon on the black community.This is a lot alike Hurrican Trina except help will never arrive untill these Mexicans are finished destroying the black communty and Blacks better get ready to protect themselves an save themselves,which will probably be easy because most Mexicans are so small,but they're getting big numbers,so its gonna take strategy but I think Blacks can survive this.Good Luck!

[clipse]

ANd So AlexAlonso you are an Uncle Tom

If you are going to allow your people to be sitting ducks while America releases its new secret weapon on the black community.This is a lot alike Hurrican Trina except help will never arrive untill these Mexicans are finished destroying the black communty and Blacks better get ready to protect themselves an save themselves,which will probably be easy because most Mexicans are so small,but they're getting big numbers,so its gonna take strategy but I think Blacks can survive this.Good Luck!

You make some very interesting points.

[clipse]

I keep getting messages to my youtube account from the black dude who I believe just hates Mexicans, illegal or not. He hates the mayor, he think Jamiel was killed radomly by a Mexican to kill a black, and he thinks that I am an uncle Tom, because I have no problems with Mexicans.
You can watch his silly videos at: http://www.youtube.com/user/jijilog

Here is his message:


"YOUR NOT SPEAKING FOR THE MAJORITY OF BLACKS!! THAT FEEL LIKE ME!!! ILEGAL IMAGRATION HARMS BLACKS ALOT!! AND I THINK ITS A SHAME THAT A INTLEGENT BLACK MAN LIKE YOU ARE SO LOYAL TO A RACE THAT IS NOT LOYAL TO US!! NO MEXICAN LEADERS EVEN CARED TO COME AND HELP JAMIEL SHAWS FATHER !! WHO I KNOW PERSONALY!! I SPOKE WITH HIM!! AND THAT MAYER IS BACKED BY MEXICAN MAFIA IOO PERCENT!! YOU DONT HAVE FACT!! YOU VERY WRONG!! THE MAYOR MAIN INTRESTED IS HIS RACE!! AND IF YOU CANT SEE THAT YOUR BLIND AND NEED TO LOOK AGAIN SIR!! MEXICANS DONT SHOW NO INTRESED TO THE BLACK COMUNITY!! BUT YET YOUR A VOICE FOR A MEXICAN COMUNITY THAT PROVED THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT BLACKS!! NOW I ASK YOU TO SHOW ME A SITE WITH A MEXICAN TALKING LOVE FOR US BLACKS AND YOU COULD NOT!! SO THAT MAKE YOU REALY SOUND IGNORANT AND LIKE A UNCLE TOM!! IF YOU CAN NOT PROVIDE ME A SITE OF MEXICANS TALKING LIKE YOU!!! PLEASE DONT COMMENT ON MY SITE!!! YOU MAKE BLACKS LOOK SOFT AND DUMB!!!! THANK YOU!! AND STOP TOMMING!!

AND THE MEXICAN MAFIA HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT EVIL MAYOR!! HE ALLOWS THE MEXICAN MAFIA TO ORDER HITS ON BLACKS!! AND THE MAYOR!! IS DOING NOTHING TO STOP THEM!! HE WONT EVEN COMMET ON IT !!! YOU DUMB IDIOT BITCH!!!! ((SAMBO)) WE NEED TO DEPORT BLACKS LIKE YOU OUT THE HOOD!! (((GHETTO PASS REVOCED)))) !!! BOOT LICKING NEGRO!! GO DO A HAT DANCE IN EAST__LA!! PUNK!!!

AND THE MAOR DO SUPPORT THE MEXICAN MAFIA HE WONT EVEN COMMET ON HOW THEY KILL BLACKS!! AND HOW THEY COME HERE MIS USE THIS COUTRY!! YOU OLD BOOT LICKING SAMBO UNCLE TOM NEGRO!! GO DO A HAT DANCE IN EAST-LA!! AND HOW MANY MEXICAN COCK YOU PUT IN YOUR ASS TO THINK THE WAY YOU DO SELL OUT GOOD DAY!! I LOSS RESPECT FOR YOU!! OK!!"



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eSuKMXNK2Q[/youtube]

Through his ranting and raving he makes some valid points too.

[alexalonso]

If you understood the true nature of how Jamiel Shaw was murdered, you would know that is was not random. The plice initially lied about the shooting, and know they are changing their story. The the wont confirm or deny how the shooting went down. And now several people who initially thought it was a race killing now see that it was a gang killing. Jamiel was specifically targeted and everyone on the streets already knows this. You can lie about this all you want but we are truth seekers on this forum.

Secondly, 90 percent of black people killed in this City is by other blacks. It is like this now, it was like this 5 years ago, and it has always been like this. Mexicans do not have a predilection towards killing black people, it just does not exist. Yes we have the Avenues gang in 1999 & 2000, and we have Fajardo that killed Cherly Green in December 2006 on some race killing and during that period, black people have killed more black people in LA than have died in Hurricane Katrina and the World Trade Center combined just in Los Angeles.

Lets see if anyone has any stats to prove that Mexicans are killing blacks thats equal to ethnic cleansing. To call it "ethnic cleasning is ridiculous. I went to 18th Street and interviewed several blacks that lived there and none of them think that the Mexicans hate blacks and none would call it ethnic cleasning going on where they live. Blacks are walking all over that neighborhood everyday. And the few Blacks that do get murdered by Mexicans, was because they were bangin, repping a neighborhood, walking the walk like Jamiel Shaw.

THATS THE TRUTH.

[jmaups2005]

i dont think you are an uncle tom i just think that you know your stuff thats all some people just cant except that as a fact so instead they label you with some racist remark and make themselves look ignorant i know what its like to be labeled a race traitor etc. whatever you wanna call it on this forum when in actuallity most of the people in the street arent like the people in this forum ate up with that hate shit. just ignore what these people are saying they are dumb enough to call an owner of the forum an uncle tom to begin with? duh

[jmaups2005]

i think that illegal mexicans need to be deported back to mexico though

[blackandbrownpower]

if u believe mexicans should be deported then at least be consistent and say that whites should be deported too cuz they didnt come here legally, i'm part native american and they are the only people who have a right to be here other than blacks who came here against their will so its mothafucking hypocritical to hate on mexicans for that shit

[thekinks1886]

if u believe mexicans should be deported then at least be consistent and say that whites should be deported too because they didnt come here legally, i'm part native american and they are the only people who have a right to be here other than blacks who came here against their will so its mothafucking hypocritical to hate on mexicans for that shit

well they did come legally there was no such nation state when the white man arrived, so this talk of "legal", when their was no ownership of property is BS

[TheReal]

If you understood the true nature of how Jamiel Shaw was murdered, you would know that is was not random. The plice initially lied about the shooting, and know they are changing their story. The the wont confirm or deny how the shooting went down. And now several people who initially thought it was a race killing now see that it was a gang killing. Jamiel was specifically targeted and everyone on the streets already knows this. You can lie about this all you want but we are truth seekers on this forum.

Secondly, 90 percent of black people killed in this City is by other blacks. It is like this now, it was like this 5 years ago, and it has always been like this. Mexicans do not have a predilection towards killing black people, it just does not exist. Yes we have the Avenues gang in 1999 & 2000, and we have Fajardo that killed Cherly Green in December 2006 on some race killing and during that period, black people have killed more black people in LA than have died in Hurricane Katrina and the World Trade Center combined just in Los Angeles.

Lets see if anyone has any stats to prove that Mexicans are killing blacks thats equal to ethnic cleansing. To call it "ethnic cleasning is ridiculous. I went to 18th Street and interviewed several blacks that lived there and none of them think that the Mexicans hate blacks and none would call it ethnic cleasning going on where they live. Blacks are walking all over that neighborhood everyday. And the few Blacks that do get murdered by Mexicans, was because they were bangin, repping a neighborhood, walking the walk like Jamiel Shaw.

THATS THE TRUTH.

Do you have the stats that show that 90% of black folks killed in L.A., are killed by other black folks?

I can't speak for other folks, in regards to "ethnic cleansing," but as I said before, "ethnic cleansing" doesn't have to be a mass operation, or even an orchestrated, well thought out plan, for that matter. Rather, the general intentions of a movement, group, or subsets of a group, to unconsciously, or consciously, view every member of a particular racial group as an enemy, whether they are gang affiliated or not, is ever present with the surs- and I do think the collective sur structure operates from that vantage point, when it comes to blacks, especially amongst the younger members.


And yes, there are black folks who live in sur dominated areas, and are never messed with, per se (some won't admit to there being a problem, due to fear, and possible repercussions). I even lived in sur dominated areas at one time, but let me ask you this question: do you believe in the justification that many mexicans who defend their blood lust sur brethren and confrontations with black folks, as it relates to their angst with us, being centered around a "revenge" paradigm, for what black folks supposedly did to them back in the day, when we had the numbers, which according to them was soooooooooooooooo heinous, to where it was, and is, unforgiveable?

I will end by saying that just because there's a present lull, doesn't mean that there won't be an oncoming storm within the coming days, weeks, months, and years.

Lastly, just in case some folks thought this: I AM NOT THE CAT IN THE YOUTUBE VIDEO!

[TheReal]

if u believe mexicans should be deported then at least be consistent and say that whites should be deported too because they didnt come here legally, i'm part native american and they are the only people who have a right to be here other than blacks who came here against their will so its mothafucking hypocritical to hate on mexicans for that shit

I've had mexicans argue me straight down to the bone, that whites who are part native american, have more rights on this land than black folks who are part native american, seeing as how the european/amerindian genetic model, is the model that has been codified for those latinos of the mestizo variety, from the very beginning, therefore the amerinidian blood amidst this white genetic strain, has more of a right to this land than black folks in general, including those with native american ancestry.

Don't get me wrong, I here what you're saying ideally, but the majority of the very folks you defend, would disagree with you, when it comes to black folks having a right to live on this land.

[TheReal]

I keep getting messages to my youtube account from the black dude who I believe just hates Mexicans, illegal or not. He hates the mayor, he think Jamiel was killed radomly by a Mexican to kill a black, and he thinks that I am an uncle Tom, because I have no problems with Mexicans.
You can watch his silly videos at: http://www.youtube.com/user/jijilog

Here is his message:


"YOUR NOT SPEAKING FOR THE MAJORITY OF BLACKS!! THAT FEEL LIKE ME!!! ILEGAL IMAGRATION HARMS BLACKS ALOT!! AND I THINK ITS A SHAME THAT A INTLEGENT BLACK MAN LIKE YOU ARE SO LOYAL TO A RACE THAT IS NOT LOYAL TO US!! NO MEXICAN LEADERS EVEN CARED TO COME AND HELP JAMIEL SHAWS FATHER !! WHO I KNOW PERSONALY!! I SPOKE WITH HIM!! AND THAT MAYER IS BACKED BY MEXICAN MAFIA IOO PERCENT!! YOU DONT HAVE FACT!! YOU VERY WRONG!! THE MAYOR MAIN INTRESTED IS HIS RACE!! AND IF YOU CANT SEE THAT YOUR BLIND AND NEED TO LOOK AGAIN SIR!! MEXICANS DONT SHOW NO INTRESED TO THE BLACK COMUNITY!! BUT YET YOUR A VOICE FOR A MEXICAN COMUNITY THAT PROVED THEY CARE NOTHING ABOUT BLACKS!! NOW I ASK YOU TO SHOW ME A SITE WITH A MEXICAN TALKING LOVE FOR US BLACKS AND YOU COULD NOT!! SO THAT MAKE YOU REALY SOUND IGNORANT AND LIKE A UNCLE TOM!! IF YOU CAN NOT PROVIDE ME A SITE OF MEXICANS TALKING LIKE YOU!!! PLEASE DONT COMMENT ON MY SITE!!! YOU MAKE BLACKS LOOK SOFT AND DUMB!!!! THANK YOU!! AND STOP TOMMING!!

AND THE MEXICAN MAFIA HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT EVIL MAYOR!! HE ALLOWS THE MEXICAN MAFIA TO ORDER HITS ON BLACKS!! AND THE MAYOR!! IS DOING NOTHING TO STOP THEM!! HE WONT EVEN COMMET ON IT !!! YOU DUMB IDIOT BITCH!!!! ((SAMBO)) WE NEED TO DEPORT BLACKS LIKE YOU OUT THE HOOD!! (((GHETTO PASS REVOCED)))) !!! BOOT LICKING NEGRO!! GO DO A HAT DANCE IN EAST__LA!! PUNK!!!

AND THE MAOR DO SUPPORT THE MEXICAN MAFIA HE WONT EVEN COMMET ON HOW THEY KILL BLACKS!! AND HOW THEY COME HERE MIS USE THIS COUTRY!! YOU OLD BOOT LICKING SAMBO UNCLE TOM NEGRO!! GO DO A HAT DANCE IN EAST-LA!! AND HOW MANY MEXICAN COCK YOU PUT IN YOUR ASS TO THINK THE WAY YOU DO SELL OUT GOOD DAY!! I LOSS RESPECT FOR YOU!! OK!!"



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eSuKMXNK2Q[/youtube]

Well, he is right about how mexicans feel about black folks in general...

[TheReal]

[/quote]I use to live in Los ANgeles(Sunset District)and I watched Mexicans drive pass innocent blacks and taunt, and yell racial slurs at them just like the whites did in the early 1960's.[/quote]

You're right, and this is why I classify, or lump many (not all) surs in the same boat with the klan, or racist white folks, because of their antics from back in the day.

Lastly, did the gang member who shot Jamiel, know Jamiel was affiliated with a gang, or did he unknowingly hit the lucky jackpot?

[TheReal]

I watched this video once again, and can say of a surety, that the sur collective do have an affinity and predilection, for killing blacks, regardless of whether they are affiliated or not. I just can't forget the conversations I've had with some of them, in real life, or in cyberspace. There's a genuinely seething hatred for black folks that is there, that is profound and mind-boggling. Right now, they may be laying low, or playing it cool, but the desire to wantonly kill black folks of all stripes, is ever present with them, and will strike once again.

[alexalonso]

I watched this video once again, and can say of a surety, that the sur collective do have an affinity and predilection, for killing blacks, regardless of whether they are affiliated or not. I just can't forget the conversations I've had with some of them, in real life, or in cyberspace. There's a genuinely seething hatred for black folks that is there, that is profound and mind-boggling. Right now, they may be laying low, or playing it cool, but the desire to wantonly kill black folks of all stripes, is ever present with them, and will strike once again.

then where are all the blacks that are getting murdered? There were about 400 murders in Los Angeles last year. Can you name 10 blacks that were innocently killed by a Mexican? Or better yet, name 5. Can you? Anyone who believes "sur collective do have an affinity and predilection, for killing blacks" is a sentiment of fear that has been planted in your mind by either a "conversation" or the media. Where are all the victims? Name 5. Someone, anyone.

According to the LAPD, 87% of blacks were killed by blacks last year. I will find that citation when I get to my desk.

[TheReal]

I watched this video once again, and can say of a surety, that the sur collective do have an affinity and predilection, for killing blacks, regardless of whether they are affiliated or not. I just can't forget the conversations I've had with some of them, in real life, or in cyberspace. There's a genuinely seething hatred for black folks that is there, that is profound and mind-boggling. Right now, they may be laying low, or playing it cool, but the desire to wantonly kill black folks of all stripes, is ever present with them, and will strike once again.

then where are all the blacks that are getting murdered? There were about 400 murders in Los Angeles last year. Can you name 10 blacks that were innocently killed by a Mexican? Or better yet, name 5. Can you? Anyone who believes "sur collective do have an affinity and predilection, for killing blacks" is a sentiment of fear that has been planted in your mind by either a "conversation" or the media. Where are all the victims? Name 5. Someone, anyone.

According to the LAPD, 87% of blacks were killed by blacks last year. I will find that citation when I get to my desk.

No, I can't name 10 or 5, mainly because that's not my field. However, I do know what ese surs have told me personally, whether they are in gangs, or "reformed" gang members, when it came to how they viewed the total black community. Now, you do have some sur gangs, who try to operate independently, and outside of the racial model, but even some of these cats will admit, on certain days, and when they're being honest, that black folks as a whole are viewed as targets, if they are to be targets, and not just black gang members.

Now, unless there's a recent shift in activity going on that I don't know about, please let me know. I've even had certain mexicans on this very site, whether it be in the forums, or in private messages, tell me in essence that the surs present day outlook and views on black life, is all about "mexican redemption." One told me that surs got this sentiment, especially during after the 92 riots, where the lines were crossed.

And as far as the media goes, it appears as if they want to cover up the black and brown tension in L.A., as opposed to really exposing it.

So again, it would be a tedious thing, and an inappropriate thing, for me to go throughout all the murdered bodies of black folks, throughout the last coupla years, so as to determine those who were unjustly murdered by mexican gangs as innocent bystanders. I may not have those stats, or perform those studies, but I do know what was told me to my face, or behind the security of a computer screen, as well as what I see in the form of riots in High Schools, and personal anecdotes from blacks, in regards to this issue.

But yeah, I would like to check out that 87% stat.

[alexalonso]

read this article for some statistical analysis of the the black - brown in Los Angeles.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... ?p=8660197

[TheReal]

read this article for some statistical analysis of the the black - brown in Los Angeles.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... ?p=8660197

Interesting read, especially as it relates to Watts, and how in 2006, there was only one black on latino murder, whereas there were no latino on black murder.

I also find it interesting though, which is something that may fuel the "ethnic cleansing" perception, that blacks were 6 times as likely to attack one another, whereas latinos (primarily mestizos) were twice as likely to attack one another.

This leads me to believe that black folks, which is something I've always said, hate, murder, pillage and destroy one another, more so than they do other groups, even if those groups are living in neighborhoods that are predominantly black. I say all of this because, I've heard mexicans in real life, in cyberspace, and in various media outlets, claim that black folks "back in the day" invoked something that was tantamount to "pogroms" upon the mexican population when black folks had the numbers, which in return, fuels modern day mexicans hatred for black folks, which to me have always been a bogus, and patently false position, drenched in racist propaganda.

This study also suggests, with the exception of the Watts stat for 2006, that mexicans may be more prone to going outside of their race, with their attacks upon black folks, than vice-versa, seeing as how black folks are more obsessed with committing violence against one another, than mexicans are, towards one another.

What I'm really saying is, that in the end, perceptions rule the day, to where if you do add those surs who are killing innocent black civilians, with the general and overall tensions between blacks and latinos primarily of the mestizo variety in L.A. (high school riots and all), and cries from mexicans proclaiming this to be "their land", and that black folks don't rightfully belong here, and don't deserve anything, even if they worked for it, because they are the ultimate intruders-WHAT ELSE IS A SANE BLACK PERSON TO THINK, OTHER THAN THE THOUGHTS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING BY LATINOS OF THE MESTIZO VARIETY?

If you use this rhetoric against black folks, and have clashes with black folks, then have episodes of killing innocent black civilians from orders from on high, especially as it relates to specific targeted areas needing to be racially cleansed, again, what are black folks honestly to think? You even had one cat on this site who is a sur, claim that killing non-black gang members wasn't a "race" thing, but rather apart of the larger gang rivalry between black and brown. In other words, he suggested that such turn of events were to be expected, seeing as how that was the nature of the beast, so black folks who live in L.A. county, may as well get use to the idea of being attacked, even if they are innocent civilians, and not take it personally.

In summay, it may not be as intense as some say it is, but I do know of a surety, that if this trend continues, it can become much worse, to where those who sound the alarm in the beginning, when it wasn't all that "bad", will look like seers and prophets, when everything they say will come to fruition.

But hey, the facts are what they are, right?

[alexalonso]

read this article for some statistical analysis of the the black - brown in Los Angeles.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... ?p=8660197

Interesting read, especially as it relates to Watts, and how in 2006, there was only one black on latino murder, whereas there were no latino on black murder.

I also find it interesting though, which is something that may fuel the "ethnic cleansing" perception, that blacks were 6 times as likely to attack one another, whereas latinos (primarily mestizos) were twice as likely to attack one another.

This leads me to believe that black folks, which is something I've always said, hate, murder, pillage and destroy one another, more so than they do other groups, even if those groups are living in neighborhoods that are predominantly black. I say all of this because, I've heard mexicans in real life, in cyberspace, and in various media outlets, claim that black folks "back in the day" invoked something that was tantamount to "pogroms" upon the mexican population when black folks had the numbers, which in return, fuels modern day mexicans hatred for black folks, which to me have always been a bogus, and patently false position, drenched in racist propaganda.

This study also suggests, with the exception of the Watts stat for 2006, that mexicans may be more prone to going outside of their race, with their attacks upon black folks, than vice-versa, seeing as how black folks are more obsessed with committing violence against one another, than mexicans are, towards one another.

What I'm really saying is, that in the end, perceptions rule the day, to where if you do add those surs who are killing innocent black civilians, with the general and overall tensions between blacks and latinos primarily of the mestizo variety in L.A. (high school riots and all), and cries from mexicans proclaiming this to be "their land", and that black folks don't rightfully belong here, and don't deserve anything, even if they worked for it, because they are the ultimate intruders-WHAT ELSE IS A SANE BLACK PERSON TO THINK, OTHER THAN THE THOUGHTS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING BY LATINOS OF THE MESTIZO VARIETY?

If you use this rhetoric against black folks, and have clashes with black folks, then have episodes of killing innocent black civilians from orders from on high, especially as it relates to specific targeted areas needing to be racially cleansed, again, what are black folks honestly to think? You even had one cat on this site who is a sur, claim that killing non-black gang members wasn't a "race" thing, but rather apart of the larger gang rivalry between black and brown. In other words, he suggested that such turn of events were to be expected, seeing as how that was the nature of the beast, so black folks who live in L.A. county, may as well get use to the idea of being attacked, even if they are innocent civilians, and not take it personally.

In summay, it may not be as intense as some say it is, but I do know of a surety, that if this trend continues, it can become much worse, to where those who sound the alarm in the beginning, when it wasn't all that "bad", will look like seers and prophets, when everything they say will come to fruition.

But hey, the facts are what they are, right?

Yes, its perception, and you are correct about black violence, or as you put it, " hate, murder, pillage and destroy one another, more so than they do other groups," and that because of high levels of "Self Hate" that black males grow up with in a macho, kaotic, innercity environment. Larry Elder calls this "anger" but what ever you want to call it, young blacks, 15-25 need serious counseling anger management, conflict resolution, etc. And there is no ethnic cleansing. Those that believe Mexicans are doing that, I bet already didnt like Mexicans.

[TheReal]

read this article for some statistical analysis of the the black - brown in Los Angeles.

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... ?p=8660197

Interesting read, especially as it relates to Watts, and how in 2006, there was only one black on latino murder, whereas there were no latino on black murder.

I also find it interesting though, which is something that may fuel the "ethnic cleansing" perception, that blacks were 6 times as likely to attack one another, whereas latinos (primarily mestizos) were twice as likely to attack one another.

This leads me to believe that black folks, which is something I've always said, hate, murder, pillage and destroy one another, more so than they do other groups, even if those groups are living in neighborhoods that are predominantly black. I say all of this because, I've heard mexicans in real life, in cyberspace, and in various media outlets, claim that black folks "back in the day" invoked something that was tantamount to "pogroms" upon the mexican population when black folks had the numbers, which in return, fuels modern day mexicans hatred for black folks, which to me have always been a bogus, and patently false position, drenched in racist propaganda.

This study also suggests, with the exception of the Watts stat for 2006, that mexicans may be more prone to going outside of their race, with their attacks upon black folks, than vice-versa, seeing as how black folks are more obsessed with committing violence against one another, than mexicans are, towards one another.

What I'm really saying is, that in the end, perceptions rule the day, to where if you do add those surs who are killing innocent black civilians, with the general and overall tensions between blacks and latinos primarily of the mestizo variety in L.A. (high school riots and all), and cries from mexicans proclaiming this to be "their land", and that black folks don't rightfully belong here, and don't deserve anything, even if they worked for it, because they are the ultimate intruders-WHAT ELSE IS A SANE BLACK PERSON TO THINK, OTHER THAN THE THOUGHTS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING BY LATINOS OF THE MESTIZO VARIETY?

If you use this rhetoric against black folks, and have clashes with black folks, then have episodes of killing innocent black civilians from orders from on high, especially as it relates to specific targeted areas needing to be racially cleansed, again, what are black folks honestly to think? You even had one cat on this site who is a sur, claim that killing non-black gang members wasn't a "race" thing, but rather apart of the larger gang rivalry between black and brown. In other words, he suggested that such turn of events were to be expected, seeing as how that was the nature of the beast, so black folks who live in L.A. county, may as well get use to the idea of being attacked, even if they are innocent civilians, and not take it personally.

In summay, it may not be as intense as some say it is, but I do know of a surety, that if this trend continues, it can become much worse, to where those who sound the alarm in the beginning, when it wasn't all that "bad", will look like seers and prophets, when everything they say will come to fruition.

But hey, the facts are what they are, right?

Yes, its perception, and you are correct about black violence, or as you put it, " hate, murder, pillage and destroy one another, more so than they do other groups," and that because of high levels of "Self Hate" that black males grow up with in a macho, kaotic, innercity environment. Larry Elder calls this "anger" but what ever you want to call it, young blacks, 15-25 need serious counseling anger management, conflict resolution, etc. And there is no ethnic cleansing. Those that believe Mexicans are doing that, I bet already didnt like Mexicans.

No, I didn't dislike mexicans before I began to tout the "ethnic cleansing" tag, which is an idea certain sur gangs initiated and not black folks. I can't speak for other black folks, but for me, it's not so much that I dislike mexicans, or even hate mexicans, but rather, I love my people so much to where if I perceive any group attempting to ethnically cleanse my people, just because they are black, then my attacks upon them will be perceived as hatred for an entire group.

And yes, I'm just as hard on my own people, for the evils we do to one another, just as I am on other folks. One black person accused me of being a member of the Klan, because I am so hard on my own people; but that's neither here nor there.

Larry Elder? He says some interesting things, however, his greatest deficit from where I'm standing, is that he's not equal in his criticisms, despite the many truths that he speaks. And no, I don't believe that black folks are more racist than white people, or anyone else, which is something he personally believes.

Lastly, if what's out there now isn't full blown "ethnic cleansing," or "ethnic cleansing" at all, I do know for a surety that in the future, such a thing will potentially become a full blown reality. Right now it may just be in its beginning stages...

[TheReal]

Or let me put it this way:

What you see out there today, may not be considered, even on the remotest scale, ethnic cleansing, but there is a breeding ground (based on the things I've highlighted on another thread) now in place, that can make that potential state, a reality...

[thekinks1886]

No, I didn't dislike mexicans before I began to tout the "ethnic cleansing" tag, which is an idea certain sur gangs initiated and not black folks. I can't speak for other black folks, but for me, it's not so much that I dislike mexicans, or even hate mexicans, but rather, I love my people so much to where if I perceive any group attempting to ethnically cleanse my people, just because they are black, then my attacks upon them will be perceived as hatred for an entire group.

And yes, I'm just as hard on my own people, for the evils we do to one another, just as I am on other folks. One black person accused me of being a member of the Klan, because I am so hard on my own people; but that's neither here nor there.

Larry Elder? He says some interesting things, however, his greatest deficit from where I'm standing, is that he's not equal in his criticisms, despite the many truths that he speaks. And no, I don't believe that black folks are more racist than white people, or anyone else, which is something he personally believes.

Lastly, if what's out there now isn't full blown "ethnic cleansing," or "ethnic cleansing" at all, I do know for a surety that in the future, such a thing will potentially become a full blown reality. Right now it may just be in its beginning stages...

is not much of the probem when we think of certain people as "my people" purely because they have similar skin tones- this is dehumanising IMO, we are better treating people as people- ie individuals

Let me explain, I am white, and am proud of that fact, its how I was born, if there is a creator that's how he made me

However, I don't look at Charlie Manson and see a "brother" because he is white

[boston312]

Chief Bratton has been saying it for years that the statistics and evidence do not add up to any type of race war in Los Angeles. The people who keep calling Alonso an "Uncle Tom" are just bitter/miserable people who suffer from a major victimization complex. First they feel as if the whites are out to get them, then it was the Koreans during the 92 Riots and now its the Illegal Aliens (who barely have any rights) are out to get them. Before you know it they will be blaming another group for their misery.

[alexalonso]

Ten year ago people were saying that this black brown thing is going to blow up. Well it never happened, and I dont think it ever will. Like in most cities, these ethnic conflicts fizzle out. In the late 80s and early 90s all i read about was Black-Korean tension. Go do a LA Times search on the articles on that, and no-one talks about that any more. NO ONE, because it was exaggerated. Yeah, Sun Ja Do, killed Latasha Harlins in a store, but there were not hundreds of Koreans, or even dozens of Koreans shooting black people. It was ONE.

But if perception is going to take over the minds of Angelenos, then I was wrong to think that we were smarter. Look at other cities that have gone through the same think of one group moving into a neighborhood. We have enough cities and history on the east coast to study what is going on in LA, a new American city compared to other east coast cities. its the same thing, no where ever in any other city where Blacks, Dominicans, Italians, Puerto Ricans, etc that had been, ever called it ethnic cleansing. Its a paranoia that has gripped many black peoples minds. I would even go as far to say if you believe that La Eme is condcuting an ethnic war against blacks in Los ANgeles, then your mind is enslaved.

[perongregory]

Ten year ago people were saying that this black brown thing is going to blow up. Well it never happened, and I dont think it ever will. Like in most cities, these ethnic conflicts fizzle out. In the late 80s and early 90s all i read about was Black-Korean tension. Go do a LA Times search on the articles on that, and no-one talks about that any more. NO ONE, because it was exaggerated. Yeah, Sun Ja Do, killed Latasha Harlins in a store, but there were not hundreds of Koreans, or even dozens of Koreans shooting black people. It was ONE.

But if perception is going to take over the minds of Angelenos, then I was wrong to think that we were smarter. Look at other cities that have gone through the same think of one group moving into a neighborhood. We have enough cities and history on the east coast to study what is going on in LA, a new American city compared to other east coast cities. its the same thing, no where ever in any other city where Blacks, Dominicans, Italians, Puerto Ricans, etc that had been, ever called it ethnic cleansing. Its a paranoia that has gripped many black peoples minds. I would even go as far to say if you believe that La Eme is condcuting an ethnic war against blacks in Los ANgeles, then your mind is enslaved.

alot of it has to do with a general lack of respect for each other and more less violent racist actions that have people blowin up about the black vs. brown issue. Boston... I can't believe your racist ass is a teacher in south LA (more worried about gangbangers and maligning blacks than teaching), one of the reasons we have so many problems in the black and brown communities...fucked up teachers=fucked up education.

[TheReal]

Ten year ago people were saying that this black brown thing is going to blow up. Well it never happened, and I dont think it ever will. Like in most cities, these ethnic conflicts fizzle out. In the late 80s and early 90s all i read about was Black-Korean tension. Go do a LA Times search on the articles on that, and no-one talks about that any more. NO ONE, because it was exaggerated. Yeah, Sun Ja Do, killed Latasha Harlins in a store, but there were not hundreds of Koreans, or even dozens of Koreans shooting black people. It was ONE.

But if perception is going to take over the minds of Angelenos, then I was wrong to think that we were smarter. Look at other cities that have gone through the same think of one group moving into a neighborhood. We have enough cities and history on the east coast to study what is going on in LA, a new American city compared to other east coast cities. its the same thing, no where ever in any other city where Blacks, Dominicans, Italians, Puerto Ricans, etc that had been, ever called it ethnic cleansing. Its a paranoia that has gripped many black peoples minds. I would even go as far to say if you believe that La Eme is condcuting an ethnic war against blacks in Los ANgeles, then your mind is enslaved.

How is my mind "enslaved" because I feel that La Eme is most definitely on some "ethnic cleansing" tip. Remember, it was certain ones in La Eme who initiated such a thought/idea, not black folks. Furthermore, blacks, dominicans, etc. taking over white neighborhoods, or becoming a dominant group in those traditionally white neighborhoods, is a totally different animal. There weren't amongst black folks, an organized gang, or criminal syndicate, instructing their underlings, to get rid of white folks throughout their neighborhoods, so as to make them all black.

I understand the similiarities, or the model that you're using, but the particulars are not the same.

And as far as folks saying that 10 years ago, black and brown tensions would be explosive by now, well, they may not have been right on all levels, but they are generally right. 10 years ago, you didn't have the mess you have now between black and brown. 15 years ago, you didn't have the mess you presently have between black and brown, especially in the high schools.

Simply put, these things happen by degrees, and as each degree that passes over the years, we become more desensitized, to where are minds are like the frog that was in a pan of water on the stove. The frog in the pan of water was chilling, whereas someone turned up the flame underneath the pan, where the frog was situated in, ever so steadily, and by degrees; and before the frog was able to realize what was gong on-IT WAS SOUP!

[TheReal]

And one last thing, just because folks were wrong about korean and black conflicts, potentially being an explosion waiting to happen, don't mean that they're wrong about the black and brown issue.

Sometimes you can use older models to study new trends, whereas at other times, you may to throw out the entire road map, because the new paradigm just can't be placed into any old categories.

[TheReal]

Oh, and gotsta hit on this one tip here:

The only way this whole "black and brown" situation in L.A. may fizzle out as you suggested, is if the black population in L.A. dramatically decreases much more so than what is the case right now. The logic being, is that there will not be enough black folks in L.A., that can potentially drive certain racist mexicans into a tizzy, as it relates to competition on all levels.