1 killed 2 injured attack on Macedonian police Alfi Skopje

[razbojnik]

ahahahahahahah idiot 60 russian groups at work in italy it's your fantasy

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /csis.html this is kind old though, from 1997, but still the figures are pretty much the same, around 60.

"Other countries with a known and active ROC presence include Germany, with 47 groups; and Italy, with 60 groups. The MVD estimates that over 100 ROC groups are active in at least 50 countries."

There are over 8,000 ROC groups in the world yet only 100 are active anywhere outside of Russia???

Hmm....

As for Johnny's tantrums on how tough Albanians are and how big Albanian OC is, I'll give it to him, Albanians are friggin terroristic motherfuckers that love to blow shit up, kill people, get hated by everyone sane and just bad motherfuckers that should be either exterminated or put in jail, Albanian OC is a friggin plague amongst our nation that should be ridden of, but in his words, it can't, so thus, it shall remain here until this nation falls apart, because there being no Macedonian OC and only Albanian OC is good for business.

Continue.

[VostokSila]

There are over 8,000 ROC groups in the world yet only 100 are active anywhere outside of Russia???

Keep in mind that this article is 11 years old. At the time, maybe there were less than 8000 groups, dont you think? or maybe now the numbers of groups outside of Russia got bigger? lol

But you are missing the point... Faculiana is filled with sh*t, do not take his words seriously, AlbaniaUnited is trying to pump his nation perhaps, but Faculiana is just as worse, even more worse, look at his posts and you will see what I mean.

[AlbaniaUnited]

plese be serious albanianunited the camorra and sicilian mafia started using AK when the albanian gangs were not born only an isiot can think an AK killing is an "albanian thing", the camorra killed dozens of people just in the last two months with AK
and yes the italian mafia taxes albanian gangs both in north italy and new york but i think even in other places like germany, plus almost all the albanian shops in new york are taxed by cosa nostra you believe it or not, the protection is an "italian thing", seriously ahahahahah

i didnt say that killing people with an AK is an albanian thing. i was simply referring to the scene in macedonia. in macedonia when a cop is killed, especially like these cops were killed, an albanian is behind it. and this is AM proud of because all yugoslavs need to be exterminated.

in north italy, not all albainan gangs pay the italian mafia. only prostitution rings that have italian help in their businesses pay. but very few.

in new york, the italians have learned not to try to shakedown albanian businesses.
http://www.city-journal.org/article02.php?aid=1572

Nor do Albanian small businessmen often have to deal with the heavy taxes imposed by organized crime.
Mobsters have learned not to shake down Albanian business owners, for fear that thirty years down the road the owner’s son might kill the son of the wise guy to repay the indignity.

35% of the pizzerias and 33% of the private buildings in the bronx were owned by albanians by winter of 1992. this number has increased since 1992, its 2008 and the business ventures albanians have dominated in the bronx are now being seen in brooklyn and queens as well as downtown manhatten. there has never been a case where an albanian business has been extorted.

[AlbaniaUnited]

Then you are a real idiot.
1) What do you think was in Brighton Beach in the 90's?
2) lol.. in Russia at one point, there were just 1500 Machine Gun (AK) shootings alone, in Moscow. Also in the 90's.
To this day there is AK shootings in Russia lol.. AK = Avtomat Kalashnikova = RUSSIAN GUN.

lol still you claim they pay the italians...
I say Albanians pay Russians money to work in Kosova. Yes.. Kosova is secretly controlled by Russians, the Serb and Albanian groups are just small hooligans.

And I was thinking that you are getting to be a normal and reasonable person. Made a mistake.

Oh.. as for Albans controlling 80% of the heroin in europe.. the biggest heroin market in Europe is in RUSSIA lol XD. Russians make more money even in heroin (which u claim to be an alban specialization).

lol.. in Russian there's a saying, this is said to whoever talks bad Russian "uchi albanskiy" = "learn Albanian".

loool look at you spiraling out of control because i made a small joke. first of all, if i remember correctly there are russian groups paying the italians in brighton beach. you take this offensive and start insulting albanians because of it. this is dont understand.

albanians control 80% of the heroin coming into europe through the balkan route. as for russia, now one counts russia as europe. i see russia as russia. we are talking about europe here. i dont claim it, everyone knows this. if you study it you will find the same words as i am writing right now. i am not claiming anything, i am repeating what i read.

russian saying eh? learn albanian? thats kind of funny... i dont get it though, those who speak bad russian should speak albanian? whats the point of it?

[AlbaniaUnited]

I read it somewhere, I tried to find that source but no luck. thewestside, if you can find a source of this it would be great.
Chechens work in Moscow.. Albanians work in Rome atleast we didn't have some foreign people come up and started operating on Russian/former USSR land. The Chechens were part of the USSR, that is why they can work in Moscow.
The media calls it the Red Mafia because there are many ethniceties beside Russians in it like Chechens, Georgians, Ukranians etc..

Calabrians especially and Sicilians strongly relate to Albanians. We are not considered foreign, since the beginning despite the Albanians taking over prostitution, the Albanians and Italian syndicates worked hand in hand. Albanians are as foreign to Calabrians and Sicilians as Ukrainians are to Russians. And by the way, what are you trying to say? That Chechens, Gerogians and Ukraines have been ALLOWED to operate in Russia because they were form the Soviet Union? Those groups are probably the groups supplying the heroin to Russia alongside the Kazakhs.

lol.. am sure they have strong presence in Afghanistan, stronger than the Russians or the Albanians or Turks.. infact it is stronger than all 3 of them together (no). You are the same with Italians as AlbaniaUnited is with Albanians.

Not really, I make sense when I speak. And I can put a sentence together properly. I dont go around saying that Albanians control 50% of the cocaine coming into Europe and the Italians only 30% when the Italians control 80% and the Albanians most of the rest. Faciulina thinks Italian organized crime literally dominates every facet of organized crime around the world.

That's BS and you know it.. Russians have more in the east than in the west, just like italians have more in the west than the east. And Russian's domestic market has europes biggest heroin market so..

I dont think you know quiet what your repeating... you keep repeating over and over that Russia is Europes biggest heroin market without realizing what your saying. Your calling Russians heroin addicts, which are the most fcuked up people in the world literally. H addicts suck your dcik for a half a gram of H. They are literally worse then homeless people. But hey, what ever floats your boat.

However, Albanians still control 80% of the heroin coming into Europe through the Balkan route. Whatever percentage the former Soviet Union consumes and controls is up for debate.

[AlbaniaUnited]

There are over 8,000 ROC groups in the world yet only 100 are active anywhere outside of Russia???

Hmm....

As for Johnny's tantrums on how tough Albanians are and how big Albanian OC is, I'll give it to him, Albanians are friggin terroristic motherfuckers that love to blow shit up, kill people, get hated by everyone sane and just bad motherfuckers that should be either exterminated or put in jail, Albanian OC is a friggin plague amongst our nation that should be ridden of, but in his words, it can't, so thus, it shall remain here until this nation falls apart, because there being no Macedonian OC and only Albanian OC is good for business.

Continue.

Haha, I like the way you described Albanian organized crime right there, powerful words from a gay man. But still.... powerful words [except for the being exterminated stuff]. That part will be taken into action against Macedonians. Macedonia will fall before it enters EU. That much I can guarantee. Just let NATO leave Kosova and let over 100 nations recognize Kosova so there is no worries about that, then Macedonia's turn will come.


As for the Bulgaria thing, so who do you think would supplu the bulgarians with all that heroin? Would it be A.) Macedonian crime lords? b.) Russians? C.) The Albanians who are moving tonnes of heroin weekly through that route? D.) Ndrangheta?

[jeapordy songs plays,,, dummm dadum dum dadadum-dum-dum dum dummmm dum DUM the dum dum dum dum dum]

What is... The Albanian mafia alex?

[AlbaniaUnited]

There are over 8,000 ROC groups in the world yet only 100 are active anywhere outside of Russia???

Keep in mind that this article is 11 years old. At the time, maybe there were less than 8000 groups, dont you think? or maybe now the numbers of groups outside of Russia got bigger? lol

But you are missing the point... Faculiana is filled with sh*t, do not take his words seriously, AlbaniaUnited is trying to pump his nation perhaps, but Faculiana is just as worse, even more worse, look at his posts and you will see what I mean.

I dont pump my nation up, my nation has done that for itself. Everything that I say on here has been said by official reports. I say Albanians are replacing Italians are the most powerful OC outfit in America because the FBI does, I say Albanians took away prostitution from the Italians in North Italy because Italian government figures say so, I say Albanians control 80% of heroin coming into Europe because most offical reports say it does. What part of my nation am I exactly pumping up?

Your the one that cant even take a joke, look at what I said about Russians in brighton beach [WHICH IS TRUE!] And look how you retaliated. You started insulting Albanians because of it, is it my fault that Russians pay Italians in New York to operate? Is it the Albanians fault?

[Faciulina]

"Other countries with a known and active ROC presence include Germany, with 47 groups; and Italy, with 60 groups. The MVD estimates that over 100 ROC groups are active in at least 50 countries."

ahahahahaha fucking moron how is it possible there are 60 roc groups in italy and 47 in germany???? they togheter surpass the following 100 quote the reality is what i said before there is not any russian group at work in italy except in your head, i lived in italy last year and i''ve never heard of any russian activity in italy maybe this article is written by some russian bullshitter but sure is a total wrong source and just laughable... and i don't see it because i'm nationalist but because it's the truth, i really don't care of italy as country i like only the mafia... anyway if there are really some russian groups (not 60 of course ) it's in the north where even a 10 years old sicilian napolitans or calabrian could be a mini-boss myself could be a great bank robber there it's enough a southern italian accent to make local people scared like girls

Chechens work in Moscow.. Albanians work in Rome atleast we didn't have some foreign people come up and started operating on Russian/former USSR land. The Chechens were part of the USSR, that is why they can work in Moscow.
The media calls it the Red Mafia because there are many ethniceties beside Russians in it like Chechens, Georgians, Ukranians etc..

ahahahahaha you idiot!!! it's true that albanians are at work in rome and north italy but rome and north italy are not the italian mafia homeland instead moscow is known as the russian mafia homeland and chechens controls a large part of it togheter with dozens of etnich groups included mongols and stuff like that and please don't say BS that local groups allowe them because part of russia the russians see the caucasic as scums immigrants like northern italians see the calabrians or sicilians... so chechens are formally foreigns there and they just go and do like southern italians in north italy

lol.. am sure they have strong presence in Afghanistan, stronger than the Russians or the Albanians or Turks.. infact it is stronger than all 3 of them together (no).

ndrangheta alone (not the whole italian mafia) has more abroad connections than all russian groups i kid not you

I dont pump my nation up, my nation has done that for itself. Everything that I say on here has been said by official reports. I say Albanians are replacing Italians are the most powerful OC outfit in America because the FBI does, I say Albanians took away prostitution from the Italians in North Italy because Italian government figures say so, I say Albanians control 80% of heroin coming into Europe because most offical reports say it does. What part of my nation am I exactly pumping up?

the fbi never said it that's your dream they never took away prostitution from the mafia because the mafia NEVER controlled it it just taxes pimps italians, albanians, romanians or whoever you're right that for certain periods the albanians controlled a large amount of heroin but today i doubt they control 80% since the ndrangheta alone controls about 40% but i wonder if albanians and ndrangheta controls most of heroin and ndrangheta the whole cocaine, what the russian controls? they are very tiny in drug trafficking

[AlbaniaUnited]

the fbi never said it that's your dream they never took away prostitution from the mafia because the mafia NEVER controlled it it just taxes pimps italians, albanians, romanians or whoever you're right that for certain periods the albanians controlled a large amount of heroin but today i doubt they control 80% since the ndrangheta alone controls about 40% but i wonder if albanians and ndrangheta controls most of heroin and ndrangheta the whole cocaine, what the russian controls? they are very tiny in drug trafficking

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/albanians.mob/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Thousands of Albanians and others who fled the Balkans for the United States in recent years have emerged as a serious organized crime problem, threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime, top FBI officials said Wednesday.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?in ... cleid=7603
Albanian mob invades Italy

"Both the Mafia and Albanians are violent but at least the Mafia has some rules," went on the man, who was shot by local mafiosi in a dispute two years ago. "The Albanians don't care about life at all, they'll kill you without reason."

"Pushing the 'Ndrangheta out of the prostitution in the north of Italy was probably a mistake, but the Albanians are very violent and they were just starting out -- they had not learned any 'diplomacy,' " he explained. "Now the two groups don't want to fight with each other, they just want to make money."

Ndrangheta does not control 40% of heroin, state your source for that. Albanians control 80% of heroin coming into europe and are the second largest traffickers of cocaine after the Calabrians. The Italians take a back seat to the Turks and Russians when it comes to heroin trafficking in Europe.

[VostokSila]

if i remember correctly there are russian groups paying the italians in brighton beach.

The thing is that you remember the 70's, when Russians just started showing in the US.

now one counts russia as europe

...

Calabrians especially and Sicilians strongly relate to Albanians. We are not considered foreign, since the beginning despite the Albanians taking over prostitution, the Albanians and Italian syndicates worked hand in hand. Albanians are as foreign to Calabrians and Sicilians as Ukrainians are to Russians. And by the way, what are you trying to say? That Chechens, Gerogians and Ukraines have been ALLOWED to operate in Russia because they were form the Soviet Union? Those groups are probably the groups supplying the heroin to Russia alongside the Kazakhs.

Lol.. you calim one thing, while your italian cousin Facuiliana claims another.. he claims that you are not connected to them by one bit.
What im trying to say is that Moscow is the most diverse city in Russia with maaaaaany nationaleties in it. lol I read that there are even 300 Albanians living there. Im saying that there were many nationaleties there in the time of Soviet Union and now, no wonder that Chechens are strong there. Georgians are not as strong presence as Chechens.
Supply Russia with heroin? lol sure that they have big part, but Russian (I mean ethnic russian) groups are still a big part of the heroin trade.

Not really, I make sense when I speak. And I can put a sentence together properly. I dont go around saying that Albanians control 50% of the cocaine coming into Europe and the Italians only 30% when the Italians control 80% and the Albanians most of the rest. Faciulina thinks Italian organized crime literally dominates every facet of organized crime around the world.

I agree with you here.

I dont think you know quiet what your repeating... you keep repeating over and over that Russia is Europes biggest heroin market without realizing what your saying. Your calling Russians heroin addicts, which are the most fcuked up people in the world literally. H addicts suck your dcik for a half a gram of H. They are literally worse then homeless people. But hey, what ever floats your boat.

Im not proud of the scums among my nation. Unlike you who is the opposite. Its true that Russia is not the best place in the world, people sometimes lose all hopes and turn to drugs (even paint and glue) to ease the pain.

powerful words from a gay man

lol.

As for the Bulgaria thing, so who do you think would supplu the bulgarians with all that heroin? Would it be A.) Macedonian crime lords? b.) Russians? C.) The Albanians who are moving tonnes of heroin weekly through that route? D.) Ndrangheta?

I believe that Russians supply them. Since Bulgarian-Russian mafia relations are/were very strong. They many times work together in many fields (something like Italians with Albanians). Its more logical for them to get H from Russians than Albanians.

look at what I said about Russians in brighton beach [WHICH IS TRUE!] And look how you retaliated. You started insulting Albanians because of it, is it my fault that Russians pay Italians in New York to operate? Is it the Albanians fault?

lol I dont know how u meant for that to sound as joke but you failed. lol russians dont pay italians in brighton, Albanians pay italians in the bronx, now that is true.

ahahahahaha #%@&#%@ moron how is it possible there are 60 roc groups in italy and 47 in germany???? they togheter surpass the following 100 quote the reality is what i said before there is not any russian group at work in italy except in your head, i lived in italy last year and i''ve never heard of any russian activity in italy maybe this article is written by some russian bullshitter but sure is a total wrong source and just laughable... and i don't see it because i'm nationalist but because it's the truth, i really don't care of italy as country i like only the mafia... anyway if there are really some russian groups (not 60 of course ) it's in the north where even a 10 years old sicilian napolitans or calabrian could be a mini-boss myself could be a great bank robber there it's enough a southern italian accent to make local people scared like girls

The estimate sais OVER 100 groups, could be 150 aswell. And im the moron lol. As thewestside said, ROC groups often band and disband after completing their jobs, this makes it hard for FBI and other law enforcements to follow their numbers.
No, the reality isnt what you said before, you are full of sh*t.
As far as I know.. in the US "Frontline" is considered a very credible source. So I dont think it was written by a Russian bullshitter.
You dont like your country but you like its mafia.. you have some serious problems. You like when your people murder your people? you like when they sell drugs and take money from other civilians?
lol why would the Russians operate in the poorest region in italy? lol sure they operate in the north, that is where all the money is.

[thewestside]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/albanians.mob/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Thousands of Albanians and others who fled the Balkans for the United States in recent years have emerged as a serious organized crime problem, threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime, top FBI officials said Wednesday.

A key word above, which AlbaniaUnited obviously misses, is "threatening" to displace La Cosa Nostra. Of course, this is nothing new. Blacks were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1960's. Colombians were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1970's. Chinese were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1980's. Russians were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1990's. And now it's the Albanians "threatening" to displace the LCN. Each of the previous groups have certainly staked out their own position in the American underworld. But none of them have become the new "kingpins of U.S. crime." And as much as AlbaniaUnited hopes and prays for it, neither will the Albanians. And even if there were a group to displace the LCN, there are any number of groups that would be more likely to do so than the Albanians.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=7603
Albanian mob invades Italy

"Both the Mafia and Albanians are violent but at least the Mafia has some rules," went on the man, who was shot by local mafiosi in a dispute two years ago. "The Albanians don't care about life at all, they'll kill you without reason."

"Pushing the 'Ndrangheta out of the prostitution in the north of Italy was probably a mistake, but the Albanians are very violent and they were just starting out -- they had not learned any 'diplomacy,' " he explained. "Now the two groups don't want to fight with each other, they just want to make money."

As usual, AlbaniaUnited is quick with the sources that support his theories but ignores the ones that don't.

Ndrangheta does not control 40% of heroin, state your source for that. Albanians control 80% of heroin coming into europe and are the second largest traffickers of cocaine after the Calabrians. The Italians take a back seat to the Turks and Russians when it comes to heroin trafficking in Europe.

Does AlbaniaUnited have any direct evidence that Albanians are the second biggest cocaine traffickers in Europe? No. Does he have any direct evidence that the Italians take a back seat to the Turks and Russians in heroin trafficking in Europe? No. Now one or both could be true but, as I said before, there is simply not enough evidence to make these claims. So, as he usually does, when lacking evidence AlbaniaUnited simply resorts to his own assumptions and whatever sounds good to him.

[AlbaniaUnited]

The thing is that you remember the 70's, when Russians just started showing in the US.

maybe so, but still, no offensive but thats kind of soft.

Lol.. you calim one thing, while your italian cousin Facuiliana claims another.. he claims that you are not connected to them by one bit.
What im trying to say is that Moscow is the most diverse city in Russia with maaaaaany nationaleties in it. lol I read that there are even 300 Albanians living there. Im saying that there were many nationaleties there in the time of Soviet Union and now, no wonder that Chechens are strong there. Georgians are not as strong presence as Chechens.
Supply Russia with heroin? lol sure that they have big part, but Russian (I mean ethnic russian) groups are still a big part of the heroin trade.

Now why would you suddenly take faciulinas word over anything? Do you hear what he says? His words cant be accounted for anything. There are still people in Calabria who say they are Arberesh (Albanian), Alot of them. They kept their Albanian identity all that time (500 years). Even the ones who dont call themselves Arberesh can trace their roots back to Albania. Same thing goes for sicilians as well but not to the extent that the Calabrians are in.

Im not proud of the scums among my nation. Unlike you who is the opposite. Its true that Russia is not the best place in the world, people sometimes lose all hopes and turn to drugs (even paint and glue) to ease the pain.

I am proud of our criminals, because they always take care of their Albanian people. I mean, when was the last time you heard of Albanian gangsters extorting Albanian people? They are rebuilding Albania entirely. You cannot provide me with a sinlge incident of Albanian gangsters hurting Albanian people. Also, Albania is a bad place to live in as well, the people have money from their family overseas but still... the place itself is violent, unstable, etc... but Albanians dont turn to heroin or cocaine for their problems. Even though they have all that amount of drugs just lying around there. It is estimated that in one city, I think it was Gostivari, that 7 tonnes of heroin is kept there at all and any times. But Albania is not even heard of being a consumer of heroin.

I believe that Russians supply them. Since Bulgarian-Russian mafia relations are/were very strong. They many times work together in many fields (something like Italians with Albanians). Its more logical for them to get H from Russians than Albanians.

I dont think its logic to say Russians supply Bulgarians with heroin, Albanian are moving tonnes of heroin through that area, it makes more sense that Bulgarians would buy from Albanians who control that route. You see, now you are going into something you think about. Bulgaria is the first country after Turkey on the Balkan route, sometimes second because Romania is a designated stop as well, the Albanians have already taken control of the ports there.

lol I dont know how u meant for that to sound as joke but you failed. lol russians dont pay italians in brighton, Albanians pay italians in the bronx, now that is true.

LOL, nah of course that is not true, its not true now but it was never true. Not even when we first came here in numbers in 1997.

[AlbaniaUnited]

A key word above, which AlbaniaUnited obviously misses, is "threatening" to displace La Cosa Nostra. Of course, this is nothing new. Blacks were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1960's. Colombians were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1970's. Chinese were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1980's. Russians were "threatening" to displace the LCN in the 1990's. And now it's the Albanians "threatening" to displace the LCN. Each of the previous groups have certainly staked out their own position in the American underworld. But none of them have become the new "kingpins of U.S. crime." And as much as AlbaniaUnited hopes and prays for it, neither will the Albanians. And even if there were a group to displace the LCN, there are any number of groups that would be more likely to do so than the Albanians.

Well you see, in the 60's, 70's, 80's and early early 90's. The Italians were pretty powerful. Now they are washed up. The pizza connection died out, they are being arrested in droves, they are ratting on each other weakening themselves even more. The Albanians show no decrease in their activites, only increase. If they keep going in this direction, they will surpass the Italians in New York. In fact, they might have already...

As usual, AlbaniaUnited is quick with the sources that support his theories but ignores the ones that don't.

How the fcuk can I show you articles that support my theories, my theories are BS, totally wrong and biased. I mean I never get anything right, how could someone like Cotaldo Motta, Italys TOP PROSECUETOR agree with me!?

Both your source and my source said something. Your source claimed by someone who investigates the Italian mafia that they wont tolerate outsiders unless they can gain from it and mine is from cotaldo Motta -Italys top prosector who has identified Albanias top bosses has said the exact opposite. Now has your guys really researched the Albanians? Nope. So shut the fcuk up, your pretty much saying Cotaldo Motta is wrong, say it direct at least... repeat after me, Cotaldo Motta is wronggggg.

Does AlbaniaUnited have any direct evidence that Albanians are the second biggest cocaine traffickers in Europe? No. Does he have any direct evidence that the Italians take a back seat to the Turks and Russians in heroin trafficking in Europe? No. Now one or both could be true but, as I said before, there is simply not enough evidence to make these claims. So, as he usually does, when lacking evidence AlbaniaUnited simply resorts to his own assumptions and whatever sounds good to him.

Yes I do, I have proof because in Europe, the Turks are the only ones standing out besides the Albanians are heroin traffickers. In London, Germany and other places there have been armed showdowns between Albaniasn and Turks over heroin until the Turks werent powerful enough to do so anymore because the Albanians replaced their actitivies in the heroin operation. One. Two, The Soviets controll a big portion because Kazakhstan and these other poor Soviet areas consume alot of heroin. What do the Italians do in heroin? They fcuking wait for the Albanians to give it to their hands for a jacked up high price like good little students at a Catholic school. Thats how I know..


As for the cocaine thing, THE ALBAINANS ARE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE DIRECT LINKS TO COLOMBIA BESIDES THE ITALIANS THATS HOW I KKNOW. Why would they have links to colombians unless they are bringing cocaine to Europe or America? How could anyone else be bigger then the Albanians in cocaine trafficking in Europe if they dont have their own links to Colombia?

Honestly just shut the fcuk up you moron, you make no sense, "he has no proof yet again,". You know every well that Its true. Your just cant stand it because the Italians are so low in heroin and the Albanian dominate heroin. Accept the fact, $100 bn a year circulating in albanian hands, not to mention the role Albanians have in Arms and human trafficking to western europe.

[VostokSila]

But Albania is not even heard of being a consumer of heroin.

Maybe its because they have a pop. of like 3 million? and maybe its because most of them dont have the money to buy heroin and most drugs?
lol you think that the percent of Albanians in Albania using drugs is smaller than precent of Russians in Russia using drugs? prove it.

maybe so, but still, no offensive but thats kind of soft.

Soft? what do you mean "soft"? If they wouldn't have payed, they would probably be destroyed, and unlike 1997, the 70's was a time when the Italian Mafia was ALOT stronger in the US.
And didnt Albanians got used by Italians as thugs at the time? lets put it like this.. my people paid them, yours worked for them.

Now why would you suddenly take faciulinas word over anything? Do you hear what he says? His words cant be accounted for anything

I believe Faculiana is full of sh*t, but even so I think he does know about his own people a little more than you..
I very much doubt that Albanians and Calabrians can be compared as Russians and Ukrainans, since obviously the Calabrians were mixed with italian people, while Ukranians and Russians are pretty much identical in race terms.

I dont think its logic to say Russians supply Bulgarians with heroin, Albanian are moving tonnes of heroin through that area, it makes more sense that Bulgarians would buy from Albanians who control that route.

No, it doesn't.

[AlbaniaUnited]

Maybe its because they have a pop. of like 3 million? and maybe its because most of them dont have the money to buy heroin and most drugs?
lol you think that the percent of Albanians in Albania using drugs is smaller than precent of Russians in Russia using drugs? prove it.

do you know how much a kilo of heroin goes for in albania? anyone can afford it, secondly, russians are rich, so what are you saying? werent you telling me about russian being dirt poor. now you switch it up because it suits you. albanians dont use heroin because they are morally strong, can you tell me why russians would use heroin so much? by the way, Albanias population is 3.9 million and including Kosova 1.9 million and Illirida (western macedonia) 509,000, Albanians in Greece 1 million and the Albanians in Malesia (southern montenegro) 67,000. 7.4 million just in that area but still in none of those areas are albanians known as heroin users, just heroin sellers.

i cant prove the percentage is lower but i do know what goes on in albania cuz i go there every summer and someone would tell me that there is alot of heroin users around...

you however and statistics show that russia consumers alot of heroin, russia is the leading country for HIV after africa as well, no offense im just stating

Soft? what do you mean "soft"? If they wouldn't have payed, they would probably be destroyed, and unlike 1997, the 70's was a time when the Italian Mafia was ALOT stronger in the US.
And didnt Albanians got used by Italians as thugs at the time? lets put it like this.. my people paid them, yours worked for them.

So? Whats wrong with that? Like you said the Italians were very powerful at that time. And the Albanians community was not big at all at that time. Even back then though, Albanians were known for extreme violence and bravery. Joe Lika was so feared that the Italians just left him alone, he stated plenty of times he hated Italians publicly.

We worked for money, its not like Italians said go kill this guy or well kill you, they said heres $25,000 you wanna kill this guy for me?

Thats better then Italians coming into the Bronx telling us your paying us for no reason. Thats dominance over someone, money for work is just a business.

I believe Faculiana is full of sh*t, but even so I think he does know about his own people a little more than you..
I very much doubt that Albanians and Calabrians can be compared as Russians and Ukrainans, since obviously the Calabrians were mixed with italian people, while Ukranians and Russians are pretty much identical in race terms.

okay let me brake it down to you, when the albanians came to italy in that time, it was the biggest immigration in italian history and still is til this day. so there was plenty of albanians around. they settled in the south of italy more then anywhere and calabria was like brighton beach for russians for albanians. 300,000 arberesh people can be found in south italy [excluding sicily], particularly in calabria, even the ones who dont call themselves arberesh after all this time have admitted in interviews and in polls that they can trace their ancestry back to albania. ukranians have a different language and dont call themselves russian, you should hear what they say about russians down in america... but anyway, calabrians have a big percentage of albanian blood in them and when i say big, i mean most...

I dont think its logic to say Russians supply Bulgarians with heroin, Albanian are moving tonnes of heroin through that area, it makes more sense that Bulgarians would buy from Albanians who control that route.

No, it doesn't.[/quote]

how doesnt it? bulgaria is right there next to turkey, albanians can strike them a better deal then anyone being that they have so much heroin around them. how does it make sense that russians come alll the way down to bulgaria to supply heroin when albanians are always right there from the first place. thats like saying the colombians bring cocaine to russia to bring to italian ports, it doesnt make sense to go totally out of your way.

[Faciulina]

Thats better then Italians coming into the Bronx telling us your paying us for no reason

but it's what they do the go to albanian shops taking protection money you believe it or not if you think southern italians fear albanians you don't know them they fear nobody they just go into shops and take money in flushing, new york and in north italy they take protection even by chinese shops into their chinatown known to be the closest community in the world it's a joke for them take protection by albanian shops that are isolated

okay let me brake it down to you, when the albanians came to italy in that time, it was the biggest immigration in italian history and still is til this day. so there was plenty of albanians around. they settled in the south of italy more then anywhere and calabria was like brighton beach for russians for albanians. 300,000 arberesh people can be found in south italy [excluding sicily], particularly in calabria, even the ones who dont call themselves arberesh after all this time have admitted in interviews and in polls that they can trace their ancestry back to albania. ukranians have a different language and dont call themselves russian, you should hear what they say about russians down in america... but anyway, calabrians have a big percentage of albanian blood in them and when i say big, i mean most...

ahahahahaahaha fucking idiot you are the greatest bullshitter i've ever heard calabrians have nothing to do with albanians they are 100% catholic and the albanian a mix of muslims and orthodox they have a total diferent language and they don't see albanians like russians see ukranians because albanians can't talk calabrian dialect and vice-versa ther are not 300.000 arberesh fucking moron however you go numbers out of your ass... you are the only idiot mental impared who care of a tiny history fact of 500 years ago that left nothing to calabrian or italian history the spanish culture for example is FAR more rooted in south italy that was under spain since 1300 to 1700 i don't know where you heard of this because in italy even in school nobody cares of it that's only proof you are only a stupid nationalist ahahahahahah

Well you see, in the 60's, 70's, 80's and early early 90's. The Italians were pretty powerful. Now they are washed up. The pizza connection died out, they are being arrested in droves, they are ratting on each other weakening themselves even more. The Albanians show no decrease in their activites, only increase. If they keep going in this direction, they will surpass the Italians in New York. In fact, they might have already...

ahahahah albanians can suck italian dicks in the future, cosa nostra is the strongest organization in the states according to fbi idiot and the albanians are nothing in the states the only albanian group was dismantled a few years ago and i doubt there are others i bet the albanian mob (if we can call it so because the real leader was colotti) is extint now

As for the cocaine thing, THE ALBAINANS ARE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE DIRECT LINKS TO COLOMBIA BESIDES THE ITALIANS THATS HOW I KKNOW. Why would they have links to colombians unless they are bringing cocaine to Europe or America? How could anyone else be bigger then the Albanians in cocaine trafficking in Europe if they dont have their own links to Colombia?

the albanians have not ANY LINKS to the cartels and you have not any serious proofs to say the opposite

Honestly just shut the fcuk up you moron, you make no sense, "he has no proof yet again,". You know every well that Its true. Your just cant stand it because the Italians are so low in heroin and the Albanian dominate heroin. Accept the fact, $100 bn a year circulating in albanian hands, not to mention the role Albanians have in Arms and human trafficking to western europe.

the ndrangheta controls more heroin than albanians that's sure anyway the cocaine is the most profitable only who do not know the drugs could believe the heroin is a suitable business today
ahahahahah 100 billions my ass the albanian gangs earn about 7 billions for year according eurispes the ndrangheta is the richest in the world and the italian mafia as a whole earn 150 billions for year 100 times more than albanian-chickenthieves

You dont like your country but you like its mafia.. you have some serious problems

the italian mafia is an istitution more power than goverment itself and i like more the mafia than the fucking goverment although of course many politicians are mafiosi themselves the mafiosi are not chickenthieves like albanians who exploit prostitution they are vicious people and control serious business and the prostitution is a business for losers

"Both the Mafia and Albanians are violent but at least the Mafia has some rules," went on the man, who was shot by local mafiosi in a dispute two years ago. "The Albanians don't care about life at all, they'll kill you without reason."

"Pushing the 'Ndrangheta out of the prostitution in the north of Italy was probably a mistake, but the Albanians are very violent and they were just starting out -- they had not learned any 'diplomacy,' " he explained. "Now the two groups don't want to fight with each other, they just want to make money."

ahahahahahah balkanpeace.org is sure an attendible source who don't believe in balkanpeace.org hahahahahahahahah i put you fbi and anti-mafia sources say the italian mafia is the strongest as europe and states but of course you believe in kosovo.here and serbianna fucking moron
yeahhhhh i bet it's logic that the ndrangheta who killed THOUSANDS of people was pushed out in prostitution (that it never controlled) by albanian gangs that in north italy killed nobody ahahahahahahah

[razbojnik]

But Albania is not even heard of being a consumer of heroin.

Maybe its because they have a pop. of like 3 million? and maybe its because most of them dont have the money to buy heroin and most drugs?
lol you think that the percent of Albanians in Albania using drugs is smaller than precent of Russians in Russia using drugs? prove it.

Eh...Albanians grow Heroin, and they do have a hell of alot of people who consume it and die in wars over it, but still, Albanians are soft, and no it's not 3 million, it's more like 2.4 million if you count 500,000 Greeks, 100,000 Serbs, 120,000-350,000 Macedonians in Albania, all oppressed with no rights at all and reported as a smaller number...but human rights organizations and their count of members by those origins say otherwise. And no, Albanians have more like 16 million people in the Balkans, that's an overstatement, a big one at that, but they fucking multiply like rats and infest everywhere they go with drugs, guns, prostitution, violance, bombings and pure filth. I went to Skopje about a month ago and the friggin Albanians, ugly as hell, some provoked us, others were just ugh..but still, they do multiply like fuck, there's a parody video of that made by K-15 a famous comedy trio from here about some ethnic dances and there's an Albanian one where he jumps around over things, he explains it how he jumps over 14 15 kids they 'used' to have they have like 7 8 kids per family now, some of the die, most of them are unreported, those who are unreported are vast in numbers, same goes with gypsies in my town, my town has a pop of maybe 50,000-60,000 people, in the 1994 census they say it's like 2-3 thousand gypsies there's like friggin 20,000 of them.......

I mean, I'm not backing Albanians, it's just true they multiply like fucking rats so I wouldn't be suprised if they have a large heroin market, better for everyone if they die of something extra other than just being genetically diseased and cursed.

I dont think its logic to say Russians supply Bulgarians with heroin, Albanian are moving tonnes of heroin through that area, it makes more sense that Bulgarians would buy from Albanians who control that route.

Albanians don't control that route, and it would make more sense if the Turks supplied the Bulgarians with Heroin, makes some sense if it came from Afghanistan. Sofia is about 500 km or 300 miles away from Instanbul...

[AlbaniaUnited]

Eh...Albanians grow Heroin, and they do have a hell of alot of people who consume it and die in wars over it, but still, Albanians are soft, and no it's not 3 million, it's more like 2.4 million if you count 500,000 Greeks, 100,000 Serbs, 120,000-350,000 Macedonians in Albania, all oppressed with no rights at all and reported as a smaller number...but human rights organizations and their count of members by those origins say otherwise. And no, Albanians have more like 16 million people in the Balkans, that's an overstatement, a big one at that, but they #%@&#%@ multiply like rats and infest everywhere they go with drugs, guns, prostitution, violance, bombings and pure filth. I went to Skopje about a month ago and the friggin Albanians, ugly as hell, some provoked us, others were just ugh..but still, they do multiply like fu--, there's a parody video of that made by K-15 a famous comedy trio from here about some ethnic dances and there's an Albanian one where he jumps around over things, he explains it how he jumps over 14 15 kids they 'used' to have they have like 7 8 kids per family now, some of the die, most of them are unreported, those who are unreported are vast in numbers, same goes with gypsies in my town, my town has a pop of maybe 50,000-60,000 people, in the 1994 census they say it's like 2-3 thousand gypsies there's like friggin 20,000 of them.......

I mean, I'm not backing Albanians, it's just true they multiply like #%@&#%@ rats so I wouldn't be suprised if they have a large heroin market, better for everyone if they die of something extra other than just being genetically diseased and cursed.

Albanians number 7.9 million in Albania, Kosova, Montenegro, Greece and Illirida. I dont know where you get the 13-15 kids. Not even Afghans have that much. But typical bullsiht from Macedonians. You guys say there are 1,000,000 Macedonians in Italy and Germany each but there are only 130,000 in both. You claim 350,000 Macedonians in Albania but I have never even heard of a single Macedonian in Albania. Macedonians are famous for having no idea what it is they are saying.

Albanians don't control that route, and it would make more sense if the Turks supplied the Bulgarians with Heroin, makes some sense if it came from Afghanistan. Sofia is about 500 km or 300 miles away from Instanbul...

It makes perfect sense that Albanians who have their bases in Ankara and Istanbul would be the ones supplying the Bulgarians. Turks might have a very strong force in supplying Turkey itself, but after that the Albanians control it.

[Faciulina]

It makes perfect sense that Albanians who have their bases in Ankara and Istanbul would be the ones supplying the Bulgarians. Turks might have a very strong force in supplying Turkey itself, but after that the Albanians control it.

ahahahahahah the albanians are nothing in turkey ndrangheta have powerbase both in turkey iran and afghanistan it can easily take heroin from pkk or directly from afghan lords who of course knows the huge economic disponibility of the calabrians so it's logic they trust them more than albanian kurdish or sicilians and napolitanst hat's logic and only an idiot can think the opposite the albanians are chickenthieves that could easily not pay the drug because they have no enough money so they are not affidable the kurdish are a paramilitary groups and they spend too much money to war against turk army napolitans and sicilians could be killed the drug intermediary and take the drug without paying... everybody colombian mexican afghan trust only the ndrangheta and send it most of the drugs

[thewestside]

ahahahahahah the albanians are nothing in turkey ndrangheta have powerbase both in turkey iran and afghanistan it can easily take heroin from pkk or directly from afghan lords who of course knows the huge economic disponibility of the calabrians so it's logic they trust them more than albanian kurdish or sicilians and napolitanst hat's logic and only an idiot can think the opposite the albanians are chickenthieves that could easily not pay the drug because they have no enough money so they are not affidable the kurdish are a paramilitary groups and they spend too much money to war against turk army napolitans and sicilians could be killed the drug intermediary and take the drug without paying... everybody colombian mexican afghan trust only the ndrangheta and send it most of the drugs

Faciulina, are you trying to take AlbaniaUnited's title as #1 Bullshitter on this board away from him? The Albanians have major contacts in Turkey. The Italians still do as well but the Albanians are the dominant force in the European heroin trade today.

[VostokSila]

As for the cocaine thing, THE ALBAINANS ARE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE DIRECT LINKS TO COLOMBIA BESIDES THE ITALIANS THATS HOW I KKNOW. Why would they have links to colombians unless they are bringing cocaine to Europe or America? How could anyone else be bigger then the Albanians in cocaine trafficking in Europe if they dont have their own links to Colombia?

Then you dont know what you are talkin about. Russians were known to supply FARC and other rebel groups with guns, in exchange for cocaine. Russians were also known to sell a submarine to the cartels for easier transport of cocaine. So before you say anything else stupid, go and check facts.

do you know how much a kilo of heroin goes for in albania? anyone can afford it, secondly, russians are rich, so what are you saying? werent you telling me about russian being dirt poor. now you switch it up because it suits you.

Just because you misunderstand me does not mean I "switch" opinions. This is more likely for yourself to do.
Russia exonomicaly is very much like South Africa. There are the rich, and the poor. No middle class. And I did not say that Moscow is a dirt poor city. Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world. If you can live a normal life in Moscow then you got it made.

albanians dont use heroin because they are morally strong, can you tell me why russians would use heroin so much?

Perhaps.. I never met an Albanian so.. I dont know. But like you said of Russian organized crime, it inclueds many nationaleties, well.. so does Russia. The heroin using is ALOT more common in the west of Russia, in Siberia and other places its not if there even is heroin use. But see.. like you told me with Albanians look out for eachother, Russians (in Russia) are a little different in sense that they dont care about anyone but themselfes. Again, I say most, plenty of good people there aswell.
And I only count the pop. in ALBANIA not the other regions with Albanians in them. Again, I dont know to believe you or not, since you can be lying and Albanian heroin users can be larger than Russians so.. my answer above was theoretical "If Russia's heroin users percent is higher".

So? Whats wrong with that? Like you said the Italians were very powerful at that time. And the Albanians community was not big at all at that time. Even back then though, Albanians were known for extreme violence and bravery. Joe Lika was so feared that the Italians just left him alone, he stated plenty of times he hated Italians publicly.

We worked for money, its not like Italians said go kill this guy or well kill you, they said heres $25,000 you wanna kill this guy for me?

Ismail Lika is 1 man. I am sure that there were Russians who did not pay the italians, but I dont know the american-Russian groups that much to say which Russian did not pay.
Another fact is that Russians cleared Brighton of every drug seller/gangster in there. Can Albanians do it in the Bronx? and Brighton had maaaany small gangsters and criminals before they got taken care of.
No, if they could they would. And dont tell me that now in 2008 its different times, according to you, Albanians dont care what time it is because they are so craaazy and voilent.. yet Albanian kids still get beaten up by Blacks and Latins, I heard this from people even Albanians who live in the bronx and say that nowdays ABI get beat up.
lol im sure that Italians in the 70's payed every Albanian 25 grand to kill a guy, lol, I bet they payed 500$ and told him to get it over with soon. Albanians were that Italian's lap dogs. That is how they got to be in the US in the 1st place (back in the 70's not 90's).

ukranians have a different language and dont call themselves russian, you should hear what they say about russians down in america

LOL fuckin right they dont call themselfes Russians, you should hear what Russians call them lol. But the fact is that they are almost the same race, different language? lol man if you can speak Russian, you can understand ukranian, not the whole language but many many words can be understood. Its like another dialect. Dont tell me about Russian-Ukranian differences.

how does it make sense that russians come alll the way down to bulgaria to supply heroin when albanians are always right there from the first place. thats like saying the colombians bring cocaine to russia to bring to italian ports, it doesnt make sense to go totally out of your way.

So you are claiming that bus money is the barrier of the Bulgarians and Russians from doing business? that is why Bulgarians would go to Albanians? XD. You should be a comedian.



Faculiana you are full of sh*t. Ndegenerata does not control the same ammount of heroin as Albanians or Russians. They DONT have a powerbase in Iran lol, ESPECIALY not in Afghanistan. Ndegenerata has its cocaine heroin is not their field.
Like the song sais : "go to sleep bitch.."

[razbojnik]

Albanians number 7.9 million in Albania, Kosova, Montenegro, Greece and Illirida. I dont know where you get the 13-15 kids. Not even Afghans have that much. But typical bullsiht from Macedonians. You guys say there are 1,000,000 Macedonians in Italy and Germany each but there are only 130,000 in both. You claim 350,000 Macedonians in Albania but I have never even heard of a single Macedonian in Albania. Macedonians are famous for having no idea what it is they are saying.

Albanians don't control that route, and it would make more sense if the Turks supplied the Bulgarians with Heroin, makes some sense if it came from Afghanistan. Sofia is about 500 km or 300 miles away from Instanbul...

It makes perfect sense that Albanians who have their bases in Ankara and Istanbul would be the ones supplying the Bulgarians. Turks might have a very strong force in supplying Turkey itself, but after that the Albanians control it.

Albanians are dirt poor, stupid and diseased genetically, without the heroin trade they would still be a country the equivelent of Somalia to this day. Live with it.

As for Albanians, who gives a fuck about your numbers, we already know 1 Macedonian is the same as 20 Albanians. I don't claim 350,000, that's a statistic from a Macedonian organization in Albania that has 120,000-350,000 members that claim to be Macedonians, in Albania.

HE MACEDONIAN MINORITY IN ALBANIA - MHRMC REPORT TO THE OSCE 2003 HUMAN DIMENSION IMPLEMENTATION MEETING


The four Macedonian organizations in Albania, Mir (Peace), Bratstvo (Brotherhood), MED (Macedonian Aegean Society) and Prespa, boycotted the 2001 census in Albania because there was no option for “Macedonian” in the census list. The Albanian government continues to minimize the actual number of Macedonians, and other minorities, in the country and in 2003, the Association of Macedonians in Albania (consisting of the four organizations) will conduct their own census of the number of Macedonians in Albania. It is estimated that this number is between 120,000 and 350,000 while the Albanian state only officially recognizes 5,000. [more]

http://www.macedoniansinalbania.org/

There are tons of Macedonians in Germany and Italy, I know this for a fact. There aren't so much in France, I've asked about it, it doesn't seem like so many Macedonians are flocking to France like they did in the 1970s, like my father and his crew.

So you figure. Out of the official number of 5 million people in the 'region' of Macedonia, at least 4 million are Macedonians. So then you count everywhere else, it totals anywhere from 5-6 to 7-8 million Macedonians. We keep quiet, we do and don't mix, we know how to hide amongst the general public(a fucking phenomenon), so it's no friggin wonder if we fit in anywhere you are gonna claim smaller numbers, besides that even if it's called a traitor to get a BG passport or to claim Canadian as a nationality that's the strategic-silent-slick way of doing this, covert, infiltrating, sometimes it helps to keep a public image, sometimes it's better to fit in. You guys are making wayyy too much noise, and that's our advantage, not yours. The fact that you are the criminals, the ones that cause all the crimes in Macedonia, in Kosovo, and everywhere else you claim is a bigger advantage to us. Those guys on top don't give a fuck about street cred, they care who's the right person for the job, and if he does his job well, he gets promoted, but if he does his job too well he becomes a threat, he's removed from his position, most of the time permenantly...

You should think about becoming the law, not about breaking it and trying to avoid authorities in order to make lots of money. Make your own rules and system, then work your way on from there. So what, you control the heroin trade, that's pathetic and low. You guys might profit something off it, but they profit wayyyy more when you are in operation. For every lost drug addict, just another victim to expermient on, and once the project is complete and successful, something new is found, it can be worth more money and power than selling a million tons of heroin in a single day.

Keep dreaming my young friend, one day you will look back and laugh/feel bad at your own dumb mistakes. I know I did...

Look at my posts as Kcf_4_ever_4_lyfe, that shit is fucking helarious.

[razbojnik]

So you are claiming that bus money is the barrier of the Bulgarians and Russians from doing business? that is why Bulgarians would go to Albanians? XD. You should be a comedian.

I LOL x10. I mean, like seriously. I know people personally with these, I know little amounts of information that reveal pretty much alot if you know how to use common sense and street smarts. Stip>Sofia>Moscow

Period.

Besides that I lol when he thinks that Albanians are always like the top guys everyone must do business and pay a tribute to or they're a big threat, I mean come on, they pay our politicians and law enforcement here so they can operate, when some group goes rouge and refuses to play ball a crackdown operation is put into action, you nab a certain amount of people, and there you have it. This is common sense, it's not a friggin conspiracy or an assumption.

[Faciulina]

Faculiana you are full of sh*t. Ndegenerata does not control the same ammount of heroin as Albanians or Russians. They DONT have a powerbase in Iran lol, ESPECIALY not in Afghanistan. Ndegenerata has its cocaine heroin is not their field.
Like the song sais : "go to sleep bitch.."

naaaaaaaaaaah just a little

AKI | Aug 20, 2008

The investigators also allege that Coluccio continued to traffic “substantial quantities” of cocaine and hashish from South America while he was living in Canada.

Coluccio was also in contact with Turkish criminal organisations that supplied the trafficking ring with “huge” quantities of heroin, investigators said.
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008 ... -security/

[VostokSila]

Coluccio was also in contact with Turkish criminal organisations that supplied the trafficking ring with “huge” quantities of heroin, investigators said.

What do you try and prove? that this Coluccio deals with South American Hashish? (1st time ever I heard of hashish being grown in south america).
lol that he is getting his heroin from the Turks? lol big surprise, they dont have the same availability for Heroin as Turks Albanians or Russians have, period. You just proved yourself wrong.

[Faciulina]

ahahahahahaha i found the english version articles of 2 albanians killed by camorra please albaniaunited don't committe suicide and don't cry that's just the reality the camorra shit on your albaniass-chickenthieves and kanunass dickhead shut your fucking mouth and eat this bitch... that's corriere della sera the best jornal in italy not kosov-ass-here.com

The main source of income for current expenses is extortion. Rackets in the province of Caserta are reinforced by murder. In fact, killings sometimes prompt offers of payment from the victims, as happened this summer after the murder of Raffaele Granata, who ran a bathing centre, La Fiorente at Castel Volturno. On 11 July, Granata was killed with the same Beretta 9 x 21mm pistol that had slain businessman Michele Orsi a month earlier and a month later would kill two Albanian immigrants.

http://www.corriere.it/english/08_novem ... aabc.shtml

What do you try and prove? that this Coluccio deals with South American Hashish? (1st time ever I heard of hashish being grown in south america).
lol that he is getting his heroin from the Turks? lol big surprise, they dont have the same availability for Heroin as Turks Albanians or Russians have, period. You just proved yourself wrong.

i prove the ndrangheta is bigger than russian and albani-ass-ns even in HEROIN traffick idiot they can easily buy HUGE quantites and they needn't any balkan route they are so rich they can buy 100 times more drugs than any other groups

[Azure9920]

As for Albanians, who gives a fu-- about your numbers, we already know 1 Macedonian is the same as 20 Albanians. I don't claim 350,000, that's a statistic from a Macedonian organization in Albania that has 120,000-350,000 members that claim to be Macedonians, in Albania.

Is that the same organization that claims there are 350 thousand of you in the GTA?

[VostokSila]

i prove the ndrangheta is bigger than russian and albani-ass-ns even in HEROIN traffick idiot they can easily buy HUGE quantites and they needn't any balkan route they are so rich they can buy 100 times more drugs than any other groups

Ok.. let me tell you what you proved. YOu proved that Italians buy their heroin from Turks, thats what you proved. How old are you anyway??? you sound like 12 or something, no joke.
You are a real idiot if you think you proved something by that.

[Faciulina]

Ok.. let me tell you what you proved. YOu proved that Italians buy their heroin from Turks, thats what you proved. How old are you anyway??? you sound like 12 or something, no joke.
You are a real idiot if you think you proved something by that.

i proved they can buy drugs form everyone and when they want they have so much money that even they can't count them but just weight them they could buy a whole european country if they want (i bet they already own it) so who has even half brain knows easily that ndrangheta is the only organization that can buy HUGE quantity of drugs, of course it doesn't control it on all levels but it's FAR the major buyer as for colombian mexicans afghans and turks plus the huge drugs produced in calabria itself it even owns whole cocaine plants in colombia so it's both producer and dealer in several cases you can't even imagine how powerful it is... it litterally controls european cocaine market and large part of heroin one it litterally owns australia and canada it's everywhere in europe, north and south america, australia, middle-east, africa, asia everywhere ahahahahaha
you said my article proof nothing... well maybe you can proof russians and albanians are bigger han ndrangheta in heroin trafficking? it's east, YOU CAN'T

[VostokSila]

I can't.. hmm.. the fact is that Albanians control around 80% of the heroin in europe (beside Russia) and Russians (aswell as Chechens) control all of the heroin in the biggest heroin market in europe (Russia). lol there I proved it to you.

I am not even going to comment on the rest of the BS you wrote in your reply.

[AlbaniaUnited]

Then you dont know what you are talkin about. Russians were known to supply FARC and other rebel groups with guns, in exchange for cocaine. Russians were also known to sell a submarine to the cartels for easier transport of cocaine. So before you say anything else stupid, go and check facts.

I am fully aware of the drugs for guns deal the Russians had with the Colombians. It wasent something historical, it wasent a multi-hundred million dollar deals going down. Colombians get more arms from the Italians then the Russians. I read that, but still. Russians are not know traffickers of cocaine. The Russians route is not a popular one. http://www.essex.ac.uk/ecpr/standinggro ... Vol6_2.pdf

Just because you misunderstand me does not mean I "switch" opinions. This is more likely for yourself to do.
Russia exonomicaly is very much like South Africa. There are the rich, and the poor. No middle class. And I did not say that Moscow is a dirt poor city. Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world. If you can live a normal life in Moscow then you got it made.

Still, having a high percentage of heroin users is bad. You were gloating about it like Russians being heroin users is a good thing.

Perhaps.. I never met an Albanian so.. I dont know. But like you said of Russian organized crime, it inclueds many nationaleties, well.. so does Russia. The heroin using is ALOT more common in the west of Russia, in Siberia and other places its not if there even is heroin use. But see.. like you told me with Albanians look out for eachother, Russians (in Russia) are a little different in sense that they dont care about anyone but themselfes. Again, I say most, plenty of good people there aswell.
And I only count the pop. in ALBANIA not the other regions with Albanians in them. Again, I dont know to believe you or not, since you can be lying and Albanian heroin users can be larger than Russians so.. my answer above was theoretical "If Russia's heroin users percent is higher".

Like I said, if Albania did have a coke or heroin problem. I would very well know about it. I spend alot of time there, I have never heard of even a mention of coke or heroin use in Albania. Not from any family members or friends and people I have come in contact with. The amount of heroin just lying around Albania is amazing. In Gostivari alone which is in Illirida (Western Macedonia), an estimated 7 tonnes of heroin is stored there at all times. Marijuana consumption is visible in Albania among the youths. But then again, where isnt it? And Albania is a major if not dominate source for marijuana in Italy and Greece.

Ismail Lika is 1 man. I am sure that there were Russians who did not pay the italians, but I dont know the american-Russian groups that much to say which Russian did not pay.
Another fact is that Russians cleared Brighton of every drug seller/gangster in there. Can Albanians do it in the Bronx? and Brighton had maaaany small gangsters and criminals before they got taken care of.
No, if they could they would. And dont tell me that now in 2008 its different times, according to you, Albanians dont care what time it is because they are so craaazy and voilent.. yet Albanian kids still get beaten up by Blacks and Latins, I heard this from people even Albanians who live in the bronx and say that nowdays ABI get beat up.
lol im sure that Italians in the 70's payed every Albanian 25 grand to kill a guy, lol, I bet they payed 500$ and told him to get it over with soon. Albanians were that Italian's lap dogs. That is how they got to be in the US in the 1st place (back in the 70's not 90's).

Well the price of a hit taken out on someone is always around that number. Richard Kuklinski was given around the $75,000 at least, even for the small ones.

No I wont tell you that its 2008, times have changed. Albanians dont have to clear out the dealers in the Bronx, especially since the Bronx is the worst place in New York. Why would they do that? How would it benefit the Albanian criminals to start killing people? You makr it seem like Russians were killing every single dealer, they threatened most of them and they left. On occasion, they killed some of them

As for the Albanians getting beat up in the Bronx. That is a complete lie, you know it as well as I do. I just gave you a video of some blacks being gunned down by Albanians in the Bronx. That is not the only incident. On the other side, there hasent been a record or source claiming the death of an Albanian by any black or Latino.

Italian lapdogs? Albanians were in small numbers back then in the United States. They couldnt band together to the degree they do now. Even though some did, Ismail Lika. Why did you call Ismail Lika one man? He had his own organization, he was arrested alongside other members. The authorities claimed that Ismail Lika brought in $125 million worth of heroin during the time period of the investigation on him. He was probably the most wild gangster in New York. When he was in jail, he was seen frequently walking around naked. They called him the "three legged man". Albanians have always been feared in organized crime, even when we were not in numbers. Doing work for the Italians back then or even now does not mean you are their lapdog, like I said, we did it for money. If they forced us to work for them, which they didnt, then you could call them lapdogs. But Italians extorted Russians for doing nothing. They just said pay them because they are who they are and you are who you are. The Albanians would have never paid.

LOL fuckin right they dont call themselfes Russians, you should hear what Russians call them lol. But the fact is that they are almost the same race, different language? lol man if you can speak Russian, you can understand ukranian, not the whole language but many many words can be understood. Its like another dialect. Dont tell me about Russian-Ukranian differences.

So in that case, Mexicans should be under Italian organized crime... I mean Italian is very similar to the Spanish language.

So you are claiming that bus money is the barrier of the Bulgarians and Russians from doing business? that is why Bulgarians would go to Albanians? XD. You should be a comedian.

No, Bulgarians would go to Albanians because the Albanian mafia could cut them a better deal then the Russians or even Turks for that matter. The Albanians heroin base in Turkey is very powerful. There are 1,300,000 Albanians in Turkey and Ankara and Istanbul is a strong point for the Albanian mafia. So it comes down to why would they buy from the Russians when they could buy from the people flooding Europe? I mean, who would have a better quality and price? A person who has 3 tonnes or a person who has 300 kilos? Anyway the only reason you pick to fight about this is because Razbojnik posted how profitable Bulgaria is on the heroin map. The fact still remains, The Russians would have to drive between three countries to get there. The Albanians are already moving back and forth between there. Why would we leave you guys to have Bulgaria when we wont even let the Turks have Turkey all to themselves?

Faculiana you are full of sh*t. Ndegenerata does not control the same ammount of heroin as Albanians or Russians. They DONT have a powerbase in Iran lol, ESPECIALY not in Afghanistan. Ndegenerata has its cocaine heroin is not their field.
Like the song sais : "go to sleep bitch.."

The Italian mafia is active in the heroin market although they take a back seat to the Albanians, Turks and Soviets.

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ahahahahahaha i found the english version articles of 2 albanians killed by camorra please albaniaunited don't committe suicide and don't cry that's just the reality the camorra shit on your albaniass-chickenthieves and kanunass dickhead shut your #%@&#%@ mouth and eat this bitch... that's corriere della sera the best jornal in italy not kosov-ass-here.com

The main source of income for current expenses is extortion. Rackets in the province of Caserta are reinforced by murder. In fact, killings sometimes prompt offers of payment from the victims, as happened this summer after the murder of Raffaele Granata, who ran a bathing centre, La Fiorente at Castel Volturno. On 11 July, Granata was killed with the same Beretta 9 x 21mm pistol that had slain businessman Michele Orsi a month earlier and a month later would kill two Albanian immigrants.

http://www.corriere.it/english/08_novem ... aabc.shtml

What do you try and prove? that this Coluccio deals with South American Hashish? (1st time ever I heard of hashish being grown in south america).
lol that he is getting his heroin from the Turks? lol big surprise, they dont have the same availability for Heroin as Turks Albanians or Russians have, period. You just proved yourself wrong.

i prove the ndrangheta is bigger than russian and albani-ass-ns even in HEROIN traffick idiot they can easily buy HUGE quantites and they needn't any balkan route they are so rich they can buy 100 times more drugs than any other groups

Lool, holy shit the Camorra killed two Albanian immigrants in Caserta!? It never happened, there is no way that happened, the Albanians shit on Caserta you fcuking moron they dont care of Italian chicken thieves HAHAHAHAHAH. <------- Does that seem familiar to you Faciulina? Isnt Caserta in Southern Italy? Albanians literally pushed aside the entire Ndrangheta from prostitution in North Italy...

How have you proved anything? You never cited a source or anything. You just make stupid claims and then say, "I have proved it". The Russians supplying themselves is enough to place them ahead of the Italians on European heroin sales. The Turks have their own supplies and the Albanians surpass everyone.