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Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby 'X' » June 19th, 2006, 9:04 pm

U.S. learns to live with less freedom
TIM HARPER
WASHINGTON BUREAU


MANCHESTER, N.H.—The fierce cultural aversion to the long reach of government is emblazoned on every licence plate here, an omnipresent statement that should make Rich Tomasso's job easier.

But even a man who makes it his business to protect individual liberties in a state where no government would dare collect a sales tax or personal income tax — or force a seatbelt around a driver or a helmet on a motorcyclist — has to face some harsh realities in George W. Bush's America.

"People are more afraid of terror than having their privacy violated," says Tomasso, chair of the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. "For so long the rhetoric has been about fear, not hope and more traditional American values."

"Live Free or Die" is not just a cheesy licence plate slogan in this tiny New England state. But even New Hampshire is not immune to the national erosion of civil liberties that has permeated every part of the United States since terrorists forced their way into airline cockpits almost five years ago, taking away a nation's bravado and replacing it with fear.

The exploitation of that fear by an administration intent on inflating the powers of the presidency, at the expense of a cowed Congress and with the tacit approval of an anxious nation, may be a cautionary tale for Canadians should some of that U.S.-style fear find its way north of the border in the wake of Toronto's recent terrorism arrests.

In recent years, it has become a truism that Americans will trade away some liberties because they have been attacked. Canadians have not.

But where is that rugged U.S. individuality that had helped define this nation?

"Canadians, over the past couple of decades, appear to be much more aware of civil liberties. They have the balance just about right between the sense of community and individualism," says Phillip Cooper, an expert on separation of powers at Portland State University in Oregon.

"I hope this politics of fear doesn't gravitate across the border. One hopes that your country won't see the polarization we have here. Canadians look down here and see this U.S. individuality, but it has become a fearful, combative individuality."

Since Bush declared his global war on terror, "it has become a war on American citizens," says Dan Belforti, who is running for the U.S. Congress as a Libertarian candidate in New Hampshire.

It started with the country — those of all political stripes — rallying around a leader who cast the U.S. as victim, declaring the rest of the world was either with him or against him. Bush and his inner circle allowed to stand the perception that the Iraq war was linked to Sept. 11, 2001 — a belief still held today by a substantial number of Americans.

With the threat of another attack foremost in their minds, Americans looked the other way as "enemy combatants" were held without due process at Guantanamo Bay, shrugged amid revelations their government was secretly picking up terrorist suspects and flying them to countries with ugly human rights records, yawned when they were told the CIA might be holding prisoners in secret sites in Eastern Europe.

But more surprising has been the lack of pushback when they were told the Bush administration had ignored a law requiring court approval and had begun wiretapping international calls of Americans and assembling a massive databank of phone records of Americans.

In Canada, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service must get court approval before conducting any electronic surveillance, and the Communications Security Establishment needs written authorization from the minister of defence. Here, Bush argued his constitutional power overrode the need to go to a court that took too long to give approval anyway.

More quietly, Bush has claimed, some 750 times, the authority to disobey laws he has signed — including a much-publicized ban on torture — if they conflict with his interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. No U.S. president has ever invoked that right so many times.

The U.S. Congress has passed legislation that essentially establishes a national ID card, and there are calls for a national DNA registry of Americans. :shock:

The Bush administration believes it is on the winning side when it comes to the tug between security and liberty.

"When you push even the harshest critic, even they say, `Yeah, we should be listening to Al Qaeda,'" a senior administration official told The Washington Post, making a reference to the wiretapping program. "So from that perspective, that's a winning (issue) and we're on the side of the public."

But there have been recent signs that the beginning of a pushback may finally be at hand.

"The Bush administration has been bent on a scheme for years of reducing Congress to akin to an extra in a Cecil B. DeMille political (movie) extravaganza," Bruce Fein, a justice official in Ronald Reagan's administration, told Congress recently.

"(It includes) the assertion of executive privilege to deny Congress any authority to oversee executive branch operations; a claim of inherent presidential authority to flout any statute that he thinks impedes his ability to gather foreign intelligence, whether opening mail, conducting electronic surveillance, breaking and entering, or committing torture."

Gene Healy and Timothy Lynch of the libertarian Cato Institute have written that Bush has conferred upon himself the power to pursue any tactic he wishes to win the war on terror, simply by telling audiences he will use any "legal" means to protect the country.

"That is what most Americans want to hear and believe," they write. "Unfortunately, the president appears to believe that he is the ultimate arbiter of what is legal and what is illegal — at least in matters relating to national security."

Cooper says there is nothing unusual or wrong about people rallying around leaders in times of stress. What is wrong, he says, is when they stop paying attention to what the government is doing.

"There is not much doubt the administration has utilized the fear of another 9/11 and the war on terror to expand the executive power," Cooper says.

But he says the wakeup call might have been sounded. "People are starting to ask questions," he says. "In a way, I'm a little bit surprised that things as obscure and arcane as presidential signing statements appear to have had some staying power in the media."

Bush's predilection for presidential signing statements, which give him the right to ignore portions of the laws he signs, had largely gone unnoticed until late last year, when he signed an amendment to a military spending bill that banned cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of foreign prisoners.

Then, after a highly publicized signing ceremony with the man behind the ban, Arizona Republican Senator John McCain, Bush quietly put a statement in the U.S. register giving him the right to ignore the ban if he felt it was protecting Americans from terror.

A litany of court challenges have been issued by civil liberties groups over the reported data-mining by U.S. phone companies and arguments were heard in a Detroit court last week in a legal challenge to the wiretapping program.

A Supreme Court ruling on Bush's plan to try "enemy combatants" under special military tribunals at Guantanamo could come this month and if the court rules the tribunals invalid, it could begin the process of closing the prison camp.

Revolt may finally be brewing within the ranks of Congress where Republicans facing mid-term elections in the fall are finding backbone.

Revolt is brewing in New Hampshire, too. It is the first state to openly challenge the so-called Real ID Act, approved last year and scheduled to come into effect in May 2008. Many believe it is the precursor to a national ID card.

The bill requires states to check whether driver's licence applicants are in the country legally, and to require documents showing their birthdate, social security number and home address. The act also requires that states find a way to verify the documents are valid.

If New Hampshire rejects the law, its residents will no longer be allowed to use driver's licences as required identification at airports, federal buildings and, potentially, the Canadian border.

"The view here is `get off my motorcycle, get out of my car, stay away from my guns and get out of my bedroom,'" says Michael Dupre, a professor of political sociology at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics.

"The culture of liberty is still very strong here."
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Postby Dregsta » June 20th, 2006, 6:11 pm

society and television is conditionning peoples mind in accepting what is feed to them whitout questionning the unquestionnable
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Postby Duece » July 28th, 2006, 9:40 pm

Dregsta wrote:society and television is conditionning peoples mind in accepting what is feed to them whitout questionning the unquestionnable


Absolutly. were gonna have to fight to get our country back. but the people are not ready. not yet...
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Postby Noog » August 10th, 2006, 9:51 am

Anyone remember that old conscious hip hop tune by the Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy called 'Television'? ..."Television, the drug of the nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation...etc!"

I am a robot *bleep*
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Postby Dregsta » August 12th, 2006, 11:29 pm

I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.
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Postby Duece » August 13th, 2006, 7:23 am

Dregsta wrote:I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.


-classic! can I borrow this!
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Postby Dregsta » August 13th, 2006, 10:00 am

Duece wrote:
Dregsta wrote:I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.


-classic! can I borrow this!


Hell yaaaa!
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Postby Lonewolf » January 13th, 2007, 6:18 pm

Citizens learning to be happy slaves


IT'S CALLED "CREDIT" >> EL PLASTICO .. A SLAVE 'TIL YOU DIE!
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Postby Christina Marie » January 14th, 2007, 6:38 pm

Lonewolf wrote:
Citizens learning to be happy slaves


IT'S CALLED "CREDIT" >> EL PLASTICO .. A SLAVE 'TIL YOU DIE!


hahaha
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." George Orwell
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Postby BlaKK » January 14th, 2007, 6:54 pm

lol my credit score is perfect. its like a 790, and i dont givva fuck i always brag about that shit to the homies.
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slaves....

Postby leonr » April 27th, 2008, 8:21 pm

TV is today(more than ever) making "slaves",movies,videos, soap operas,video games,fashion,etc....
It,s our choice what to watch, there are tv channels,educational,international history,biographies,etc..
Let's use the tv,do not let the tv use us..simon!
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby cliffard » October 20th, 2008, 12:52 pm

"when people fear their government, there is tyranny. when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - thomas jefferson
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby whiskeyjack » December 18th, 2008, 10:32 am

cliffard wrote:"when people fear their government, there is tyranny. when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - thomas jefferson


i think it was jefferson or one of your american forefathers

"Those who give up a little liberty for security, deserve neither"

Patriot Act (Less freedon)
Federal Reserve (Less freedom)
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby cliffard » December 18th, 2008, 5:30 pm

whiskeyjack wrote:"Those who give up a little liberty for security, deserve neither"

so true whiskey jack, but its so difficult to get people aware and active when they have families, mortgages/rent, energy bill, tax, transport etc etc to pay for, life is a big enough struggle for a large population as it is, the people who dont have to struggle have a vested interest in keeping things exactly how they are. governments are aware of this, also incremental changes register less with people than large ones. in england over the last 15 years we have lost a lot of our ability to strike for higher pay/better conditions, the right to associate, d.n.a. of innocent people is kept on police databases, if you go no comment when questioned by the police a jury is directed by a judge to take that as admission of guilt, we can no longer own firearms except single shot shotguns and only them under very tight circumstances- if you got caught with a gun 20 years ago you were getting a sentence of months now its minimum 5 years. to add the icing on the cake theyre trying to push through mandatory id cards that will cost everyone at least £100 each...charging us for our own slave branding.
the beautiful thing about being born english was you were born free, not any more.
all these laws have been brought through slowly and with the proviso that people were being made safer, statistics prove this has not been the case
apologies for the lengthy post, need to get it off my chest.
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby cliffard » December 18th, 2008, 5:32 pm

whiskeyjack wrote:or one of your american forefathers

sorry, i'm not american! someone else on this board thought i was as well but no, i'm from england.
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby razbojnik » April 9th, 2009, 10:02 am

Fear of terror = A cowardly nation. What's terror? An act of violence?

Macedonians would rather have terror than live without freedom, hence the situation in Greece, Bulgaria and Albania with our minority.
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Postby CheGuevara » April 14th, 2009, 3:19 pm

razbojnik wrote:Fear of terror = A cowardly nation. What's terror? An act of violence?

Macedonians would rather have terror than live without freedom, hence the situation in Albania with our minority.



HAHAHAHAHAHA! what situation with macedonians in albania you moron?
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby CheGuevara » April 14th, 2009, 3:28 pm

listne guys, the problem now a days is the internet and the television. these things enable us to know too much. in what other time period of life have people been exposed to the past and future with movies and the internet? in what other time period have people had the ability to creat art (movies, shows, pictures) of the past and future like today?

today we can go and listen to hitler's speeches on youtube and 5 minutes later we can listen to martin luther king and his speeches. we can see i, robot on film and when that is done we can watch 300. i think people are overwhelmed by technology now a days. we can talk to somebody in brazil in a matter of seconds and then we can go on google earth and have a look at what paris looks like.. it's ridiculous.

another factor in why today so fcuked up is the society we live in. western peoples have 1-2 kids maxmum and barely keep in touch with extended family. therefore, we are forced to branch out to friends who are only temporary. take societies that have 4-5 kids on average for example. they are a lot more happier. i wouldn't be able to function if i didn't have a big family that i was close too...

also, going back to that "government who is scared of their people = liberty." that might be true but that shouldn't be the case. the people should be scared of their government like a little boy should be scared of his father. if the father is scared of his boy then what you have is a boy who will grow up and make bigger and bigger mistakes because he will be free to do what he wants. it's a comparison. anything can be compared to another thing guys. look at americans, they are the most un-moral people on earth... why because they have the most money and a free government. therefore they excercise freedom and needs more then anybody else. most americans don't even have respect for the government, they lash out over the tiniest little thing. i mean look, the unemplyment goes down 1% and america goes completely crazy on cnn, people start lashig out calling geroge bush the worst president ever. they are totally ignorant of the fact that people in the middle east, russia, albania, brazil, etc... all have unemplyment of over 20%.... it's ridiculous. the internet and television should be shut down by the american government. it will be the best thing they have ever done.
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby razbojnik » April 14th, 2009, 4:51 pm

CheGuevara wrote:
razbojnik wrote:Fear of terror = A cowardly nation. What's terror? An act of violence?

Macedonians would rather have terror than live without freedom, hence the situation in Albania with our minority.



HAHAHAHAHAHA! what situation with macedonians in albania you moron?


The 350,000 Macedonians you are trying to oppress you stupid puta.


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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby whiskeyjack » June 1st, 2009, 5:32 am

And the sheep learn to be happy apostles in religon(even if its a cult), aint that right?
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Re: Citizens learning to be happy slaves

Postby Dobre » November 14th, 2009, 12:28 am

whiskeyjack wrote:And the sheep learn to be happy apostles in religon(even if its a cult), aint that right?


Watching 2012 I came to a conclusion. Time and time again has there been the notion of ancient civilizations possessing advanced technology and the supression of true history.

Now....

It's in our natures to destroy yourselves. That's human civilization. I don't think if we did it'd be the first time and I don't think we'd continue the way we would. The old men of the ancient civilizations were considered the most imporant because they held the most knowledge and wisdom, having being the survivors of something like that or the sons of survivors who their daddies and mommies told first hand 'what was then baby before you were born'...

And it just got passed down and passed down, people evolved, became more primitive, it turned from an actual story into some Bible shit...and here we are again.

Who knows, maybe 10,000 years ago people did actually manage to live up to a 1,000 years naturally.

Also, on the topic of umm divide and conquer...

There's always been the notion of 'family'. Like they said, it's in human nature to conflict. It's in all nature to dominate.

But...

There you have it. If anything, it would be distance that seperates, right?

Thus the galaxy is one. Everything within the galaxy is reachable. See that as our finale. And the Milky Way galaxy isn't probably the strongest lmfao

So as they say, one big galactic family.

After that it's a hell of a long way to the next galaxy, unless you have a wormhole tunnel system, kind of like digital rematerialization. But before you put two and two together, there must be bonding relationships..........

So...this happens

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