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[CheGuevara]

It took the Colombos decades to get where they are. But we're supposed to believe Rudaj and his band of merry men were going to do it in five if not taken down by the FBI? Riiiiiiight.

actually the colombos rose fast when they formed. although they have lost strength consistantly for about two decades.

I'm still compiling all my research. But I half mixed feelings about posting it because we both know that you'll find some lame excuse to dismiss it because it proves you are dead wrong. Even though I also have links, as well as all the official government websites I have obtained them from.

do your thing a ling virgin boy. shouldn't matter what i say.

Huge text - another one of the Johnny ingredients I listed. Notice how Johnny focuses on just the "delivering threats" part at the exclusion of "whether to bargain" and "to negotiate its way into gaining more territory and to get out of bad situations where the organization was at risk." Another Johnny ingredient - Cherrypicking! Also, there is no record of the Rudaj gang beating up any Colombo associates. But hey, why should that stop the myths right? Like when they through Lucchese guys out of a club naked. LOL!

didn't i tell you they took over all lucchese operations in astoria? who claimed anything about colombo associates getting beat? and also, they beat up two men, how they did it and to who is up for debate.

So, as usual, all you have are assumptions. Yet you come here and talk as if them meeting with all the administrations of all the families was a fact. See what I mean?

i never claimed they were meeting with all the administrations. i said bosses, underbosses, consiglieres (because i didn't know which ones they were) but i remember those three titles because i remembered this source but forgot the specific sentence.

as usual, all you do is downsize. the fbi they meet with the mafia. then they give us two examples, and you say THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO TIMES IT EVER HAPPENED! EVER!

which is why they are taking over new york

I know that you know this isn't true.

saviano said it. i believe him. it's true.

[DutchGangster69]

can you even bring up a source of how many albanian criminals are organized and operating in new york...they made grand theft auto 4 which i enjoyed beating them up with a russian character...

[thewestside]

actually the colombos rose fast when they formed. although they have lost strength consistantly for about two decades

Every time you touch your keyboard you just show your ignorance. It took the Colombos over half a century to reach their peak.

do your thing a ling virgin boy. shouldn't matter what i say.

No, it doesn't matter what you say. Which is why I'm compling it for my own benefit. But I hate to throw pearls before swine, so to speak.

didn't i tell you they took over all lucchese operations in astoria? who claimed anything about colombo associates getting beat? and also, they beat up two men, how they did it and to who is up for debate.

This article you're quoting says they beat up Colombo associates you dimwit. Read it again. The only Lucchese operation cited in the press releases or indictment was Stamatis. I'll believe that over this article.

i never claimed they were meeting with all the administrations. i said bosses, underbosses, consiglieres (because i didn't know which ones they were) but i remember those three titles because i remembered this source but forgot the specific sentence

More backpeddling. That is a "Johnny ingredient" I forgot to include. That's what an administration of a Mafia family is you moron - the boss, underboss, and consigliere. They didn't meet with all these of all the families. They met with one consigliere and one acting boss.

as usual, all you do is downsize. the fbi they meet with the mafia. then they give us two examples, and you say THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO TIMES IT EVER HAPPENED! EVER!

I prefer to go by the demonstrable evidence rather than pure assumption.

saviano said it. i believe him. it's true.

You don't give a shit about Saviano. You simply choose to quote him because he said something you want to be true. And his one statement is hardly substantial evidence to base your claims about Albanians taking over on.

[thewestside]

can you even bring up a source of how many albanian criminals are organized and operating in new york...they made grand theft auto 4 which i enjoyed beating them up with a russian character...

No, he can't. Which is why he has made up his own figures. But speaking of sources and Grand Theft Auto, Johnny actually tried to use that game as one of his sources once, though he didn't realize he was doing it. That shows you the quality of his research.

[DutchGangster69]

ha lol

[CheGuevara]

Every time you touch your keyboard you just show your ignorance. It took the Colombos over half a century to reach their peak.

:S oh dear god. i just said the colombos rose fast when they first formed which they did. my god, you are seriously ill.

do your thing a ling virgin boy. shouldn't matter what i say.

No, it doesn't matter what you say. Which is why I'm compling it for my own benefit. But I hate to throw pearls before swine, so to speak.

you hate being a faggot? i understand.

This article you're quoting says they beat up Colombo associates you dimwit. Read it again. The only Lucchese operation cited in the press releases or indictment was Stamatis. I'll believe that over this article.

the indictment state they took over lucchese operations in astoria. TREANOR IS IN THE FBI! and if this source stated colombo associates got their ass beat. then they did. they wouldn't make it up.

More backpeddling. That is a "Johnny ingredient" I forgot to include. That's what an administration of a Mafia family is you moron - the boss, underboss, and consigliere. They didn't meet with all these of all the families. They met with one consigliere and one acting boss.

you idiot. read slowly. i said bosses, underbosses, consiglieres because i wasen't sure which consigliere thye met with. i never mean't for a minute that they met with ALL the bosses and all the underbosses. they met with them much more than one time. collotti was a negotiator for rudaj with the italians. those were two highlighted examples by treanor. there are more.

I prefer to go by the demonstrable evidence rather than pure assumption.

pure assumption? the fbi just said collotti would talk to the mafia for rudaj and they gave two examples. how is it pure assumption to say they met with them more than once? jesus christ you're stupid.

You don't give a shit about Saviano. You simply choose to quote him because he said something you want to be true. And his one statement is hardly substantial evidence to base your claims about Albanians taking over on.

fbi (cnn) said the same. it's true.

[CheGuevara]

can you even bring up a source of how many albanian criminals are organized and operating in new york...they made grand theft auto 4 which i enjoyed beating them up with a russian character...

he was bosnian. and anything can happen in a game.

[thewestside]

fbi (cnn) said the same. it's true.

All you have is this article that says Albanians are "threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra (LCN) families as kingpins of U.S. crime." Key word - threatening - as in possibility. And that's the key issue when it comes to all the predictions made about these new groups, what the authorities think might happen. Not what is or what will. It proved untrue about the Chinese in the 1980's, the Russians in the 1990's, and it will likely prove untrue about the Albanians, who by the way don't have the numbers or sophistication of either the Chinese or Russians. Also, notice the year this article was written - 2004. The year of the Rudaj indictment.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/18/alban ... index.html


Well that was five years ago. The Albanians don't seem to have made much headway since then. And guess what, I'm willing to be it will be the same story in another five years.


Meanwhile, we have two more articles from CNN and the New York Post from last year and this year, which also talk about the new groups but still say the Mafia is at the top. Funny how Johnny conveniently forgets about these but always remembers that 2004 CNN article, which every year proves to be untrue.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm

[CheGuevara]

and it will likely prove untrue about the Albanians, who by the way don't have the numbers or sophistication of either the Chinese or Russians.

how do you know this? have you ever seen estimates of the albanian criminal faction in america? as for the sophistication thing, that was right. albanian criminals are more structured along clannish and neutral leadership.

Well that was five years ago. The Albanians don't seem to have made much headway since then. And guess what, I'm willing to be it will be the same story in another five years.

what? this made no sense..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm

the first source state italian organized crime. not lcn. which i already stated was true. the second source is no more valid than my saviano source. in fact, this is not even as valid as the london daily magazine. it's practically the same thing. not to mention this was from 2007 and earlier.

anyways, i found it funny that the fbi stated yet again, only four ethnicities in both those sources. albanians, italians, chinese and russians. why would they only mention those four groups?

[thewestside]

how do you know this? have you ever seen estimates of the albanian criminal faction in america? as for the sophistication thing, that was right. albanian criminals are more structured along clannish and neutral leadership.

The Albanian criminal faction? LOL! What the hell does that mean? The Albanians operating here are the same diaspora groups you see with the Russians. They are not like a "faction" sent from Europe to run things here in the states. The sophistication difference is mainly in respect to their operations. The Albanians don't have the sophisticated labor racketeering operations of the Mafia or the sophisticated financial scams of the Russians.

what? this made no sense..

The Rudaj bust was in 2004. It took 5 years before we saw another major Albanian bust in the "Operation Black Eagle" case earlier this year. Maybe we'll see another major Albanian case in 2014? Sort of goes against your claims that the Albanians are taking over anything. Yeah, I know, they are just too sneaky.

the first source state italian organized crime. not lcn. which i already stated was true. the second source is no more valid than my saviano source. in fact, this is not even as valid as the london daily magazine. it's practically the same thing. not to mention this was from 2007 and earlier.

The evidence shows the LCN is far more active and has a bigger presence in the U.S. than the Albanians, with or without the Italian syndicates.

anyways, i found it funny that the fbi stated yet again, only four ethnicities in both those sources. albanians, italians, chinese and russians. why would they only mention those four groups?

It doesn't matter what I say, you're going to go with your own assumptions about why they mentioned those specific groups. Another Johnny ingredient - Read-into-it sources.

[CheGuevara]

The Albanian criminal faction? LOL! What the hell does that mean? The Albanians operating here are the same diaspora groups you see with the Russians. They are not like a "faction" sent from Europe to run things here in the states. The sophistication difference is mainly in respect to their operations. The Albanians don't have the sophisticated labor racketeering operations of the Mafia or the sophisticated financial scams of the Russians.

lol idiot! albanian criminals no doubt have ties to european albanian criminals. big nicky in rudaj's group was an admitted gun runner for the kla. gazmir gjoka got his heroin from albania and he dealt in other drugs from there. xhevedet lika got his heroin from kosova.

if you are saying there is no tight connection to albanian criminals in america to the ones in europe, you're even uglier than i thought you were.

The Rudaj bust was in 2004. It took 5 years before we saw another major Albanian bust in the "Operation Black Eagle" case earlier this year. Maybe we'll see another major Albanian case in 2014? Sort of goes against your claims that the Albanians are taking over anything. Yeah, I know, they are just too sneaky.

yes, actually they are too sneaky. even the police have admitted this. hmm, are you forgetting about the michigan trafficking group you dick? 75% of human trafficking in the state of michigan? that seems like a minor bust to you?

The evidence shows the LCN is far more active and has a bigger presence in the U.S. than the Albanians, with or without the Italian syndicates.

simply incorrect.

It doesn't matter what I say, you're going to go with your own assumptions about why they mentioned those specific groups. Another Johnny ingredient - Read-into-it sources.

oh, i read into sources? care to explain how that is a bad thing? they were your sources first of all, and the same goes for practically any fbi source that comes out explaining the crime scene amongst organized criminals. they mention only four ethnicities. but again, this doesn't mean anything because thevirginside doesn't want it to.

[thewestside]

lol idiot! albanian criminals no doubt have ties to european albanian criminals. big nicky in rudaj's group was an admitted gun runner for the kla. gazmir gjoka got his heroin from albania and he dealt in other drugs from there. xhevedet lika got his heroin from kosova.

if you are saying there is no tight connection to albanian criminals in america to the ones in europe, you're even uglier than i thought you were.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Sure, Albanian mobsters here have contacts with those back in Europe. But by and large they are not operating as part of those organizations. They are your typical diaspora mobsters operating on their own here. The same claims were made about the Russians to back in the day. People thought the Russian syndicates were controlling everything from Moscow. That's not really the case.

yes, actually they are too sneaky. even the police have admitted this. hmm, are you forgetting about the michigan trafficking group you dick? 75% of human trafficking in the state of michigan? that seems like a minor bust to you?

No, I haven't forgotten about the Michigan bust. I've included that in my compilation of Albanian-related OC busts. And when you add them all up, it's less then impressive. But of course that's where you and your bogus claims come in about there are many more out there not getting caught because they are too slick. Welcome to Johnny's Albanian fantasy world.

simply incorrect.

How would you know? You've haven't looked at the evidence. You simply say what you want to believe and quote a few BS articles that have proven untrue. This is proof positive you really have no interest in the actual facts. Just spewing Albanian propaganda.

oh, i read into sources? care to explain how that is a bad thing? they were your sources first of all, and the same goes for practically any fbi source that comes out explaining the crime scene amongst organized criminals. they mention only four ethnicities. but again, this doesn't mean anything because thevirginside doesn't want it to.

You constantly read into reports, articles, etc. things that are not there. You form your own interpretation, not on what the report or article actually says, but what you want it to say.

[CheGuevara]

No, I haven't forgotten about the Michigan bust. I've included that in my compilation of Albanian-related OC busts. And when you add them all up, it's less then impressive. But of course that's where you and your bogus claims come in about there are many more out there not getting caught because they are too slick. Welcome to Johnny's Albanian fantasy world.

it's not that they are too slick. they, as people, whether criminals or not were just raised much different. do you realize that in communist albania, even family members didn't trust each other to state their opinions about politics or anything government related because they were so scared? it's a troubling thing to go through but as you might have learned in unviersity. your body has memory. if you're raised in a regime that scares the hell out of you, you will naturally grow up to be quieter and attract less attention. not to mention all the other reasons i mentioned to you.

How would you know? You've haven't looked at the evidence. You simply say what you want to believe and quote a few BS articles that have proven untrue. This is proof positive you really have no interest in the actual facts. Just spewing Albanian propaganda.

i just simply don't believe so many people would be bullshitting. i don't think saviano would say that unless it was true. i mean if saviano was writing a book about albanian organized crime, it would be different. and if he was talking to the press, the press might persuade him to say something to hype albanian organized crime for their media purposes but that was not the case either. he was simply stating what he thought in his book. have you read it yet?

You constantly read into reports, articles, etc. things that are not there. You form your own interpretation, not on what the report or article actually says, but what you want it to say.

not really. i just assume the obvious. those four groups would not be the only four groups mentioned in every report if they weren't the main groups for the fbi.

[DutchGangster69]

what about the mexicans?

[CheGuevara]

what about the mexicans?

the mexicans are far and away the biggest ethnic criminal group in america. they are stronger than the italians, albanians and russians combined.

however, the dea is mostly in charge of mexican drug groups. the fbi focuses more on organized crime (mafia-type).

[Azure9920]

what about the mexicans?

I don't think the FBI really investigates the Cartels. If I'm not mistaken, that's the DEA's domain.

[Faciulina]

what about the mexicans?

it depends on the place in new york the italians are far stronger than mexicans in california mexicans are stronger but the italian mafia is far stronger in united states and globally than mexican cartels

[CheGuevara]

if you think italians can compare to mexican drug gangs in america, you're seriously showing your appalling ignorance.

[Faciulina]

i'm talking about organized crime moron not drug gangs i don't care of ms-13 or other stupid gangs they can survive less than 10 years loool i'm talking about permanent and well-structured organized crime syindicates and the cosa nostra is the major priority for fbi maybe you know more thing than fbi?

[CheGuevara]

the fbi has four main targets, italians, albanians, russians and chinese organized crime with italian organized crime being the most focused on.

however, if we're talking about criminals, mexican criminals are the leading group in america by FAR AND AWAY. the drug trafficking groups (and no, not the ms-13) are much bigger than any of the groups the fbi focuses on.

[Faciulina]

the fbi has four main targets, italians, albanians, russians and chinese organized crime with italian organized crime being the most focused on.

yes but the italian mafia is the major priority

however, if we're talking about criminals, mexican criminals are the leading group in america by FAR AND AWAY. the drug trafficking groups (and no, not the ms-13) are much bigger than any of the groups the fbi focuses on.

criminals what? mexicans have more criminals because they are millions and millions but especially because they are new immigrants not because they are organized the italian mafia is FAR more orgfanized entrenched and powerful than mexican cartels both in usa and globally ndrangheta alone controls more drugs than mexicans

[CheGuevara]

criminals what? mexicans have more criminals because they are millions and millions but especially because they are new immigrants not because they are organized the italian mafia is FAR more orgfanized entrenched and powerful than mexican cartels both in usa and globally ndrangheta alone controls more drugs than mexicans

if you believe. that is good for you. the mexicans control far more drugs than ndrangheta dreams of. even thewestside will tell you this.

[Faciulina]

the ndrangheta globally controls far more drugs than mexicans moron the mexican cartels abroad are present only in california they are nobody compared to ndrangheta

[CheGuevara]

the ndrangheta globally controls far more drugs than mexicans moron the mexican cartels abroad are present only in california they are nobody compared to ndrangheta

ndrangheta has 80% of european cocaine. mexican cartels have almost every illegal drug in america. the mexican cartels are actives in 187 us cities i think.

but according to you, they don't go past california.

[Faciulina]

mexican cartels are not in 187 american cities maybe mexican gangs but not the cartels and they don't control drugs in the eastern coast

[Azure9920]

mexican cartels are not in 187 american cities maybe mexican gangs but not the cartels and they don't control drugs in the eastern coast

You should go tell the DEA that, I'm sure they'd love to cancel the operations they have against the Mexicans on the East Coast.

[CheGuevara]

according to him, the rudaj organization started out in the bronx but didn't operate there. and according to him, mexicans don't control any drugs right faciulina? ndrangheta controls more drugs in america than the mexicans.

[thewestside]

it depends on the place in new york the italians are far stronger than mexicans in california mexicans are stronger but the italian mafia is far stronger in united states and globally than mexican cartels

In terms of an organized crime threat in the U.S., the Mexican cartels are now unparalleled. They control most of the drug trade in every area of the country except for the Northeast and Florida. The Mafia has been marginalized in the drug trade for 25 years now and it's presence in the U.S. is now primarily in the Northeast, parts of the Midwest, and Florida.

The Mafia in the U.S. is mainly a domestic organization. The Mexican cartels are international. A better comparison would be the Italian syndicates who also operate internationally, i.e. Sicilian Mafia, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, and SCU.

[CheGuevara]

notice that thewestside did not care to clear faciulina's dumb posts up there about the italians and ndrangheta. rather he just made a passing note and said a better comparison would be an italian syndicate against them.

if faciulina was saying something like "russians in america are stronger then the mafia." he would take every single one of faciulina's posts on this page, copy them and respond to them all. and probably insult him as well.

[thewestside]

notice that thewestside did not care to clear faciulina's dumb posts up there about the italians and ndrangheta. rather he just made a passing note and said a better comparison would be an italian syndicate against them.

if faciulina was saying something like "russians in america are stronger then the mafia." he would take every single one of faciulina's posts on this page, copy them and respond to them all. and probably insult him as well.

Faciulina has said all sorts of things about the 'Ndrangheta. What are you talking about specifically? You mean the comparison between the Mexicans and the 'Ndrangheta?

The Mexicans control most of the drug trade in the U.S., which is the world's biggest market. The 'Ndrangheta is a primary mover of narcotics, especially cocaine, in Europe, parts of Canada, and Australia. If looking at drugs alone, the Mexicans would have a bigger stake. But the Calabrians, besides being far more international in scope, are involved in many other criminal activities as well.

[thewestside]

Lest anyone forget, it should also be pointed out that these two groups have apparently joined forces. Both 'Ndrangheta and Gulf Cartel members were involved in that huge bust a while back. The Mexicans have been looking to expand their sales into Europe because of the weak dollar in the U.S.

[CheGuevara]

But the Calabrians, besides being far more international in scope, are involved in many other criminal activities as well.

the calabrese criminals might be more international in scope but the n'drangheta can't even equal half of what the mexican cartels are.