bosses, underbosses & consiglieri of 5 families Rudaj...?

[thewestside]

no google works just find. and leave it to you to now actually try and downsize or humiliate google which is nothing but a world wide search engine you dickhead. any additional research would meaning talking to law enforcement or crime experts yourself. soemthing i don't have time for and something you haven't even done yourself. but like i said in the first place, you're not as important for me to even go on google. you're simply not worth it. if you need a source i have saved, i'll bring it in.

Well, c'mon Johnny. Use that "world wide search engine" to find all those U.S. politicians, judges, and cops that you claim have been corrupted by the Mexican cartels. You use Google all the time when it comes to Albanians but yet you won't use it here to back up your claims about the Mexicans. And we all know the reason. Because you know your claims are BS. So quit making excuses.

looool! "less than they did the Russians in the 1990's and about as much as they did the Chinese in the 1980's." the virginside has now counted every article mentioned the russians, chinese and albanians and cmopared the numbers. now i'm no wiseman here, but i think this proves this 31 year old weirdo and probable child molestor is an ignorant and dumb moron fixated on lying anytime he can to lower my argument. i was talking about violence of albanian groups you idiot. officials do not shut up about it. every article even mentioning albanian organized crime highlight their extreme violence.

This is one of the many problems with you only being 17. You are too young to remember the 1990's, at least in regards to organized crime. The predictions and claims about the Russians were much bigger than those about the Albanians. This isn't an attempt to "downsize" your favorite crime group. I'm simply pointing out that the predictions about the Russians haven't come true. And there is no reason, other than your own wishful thinking, to think the predictions about the Albanians will either.

lmaoooo, i bring up capone as a highlight of how many italians were not in the mafia at the time you dickhead.

First, it's funny how Capone seems to be the only name you are able to come up with as far as all these Italians who weren't in the Mafia. Second, I've already shown you that Capone is a bad example.

and we're talking about the 1920's, not 1931.

What? Are we narrowing the goal posts again Johnny? You made the claim that Capone wasn't in the Mafia. Before 1931, that was correct. The Capone gang, and those that preceded him, were technically separate. But they came under the national Mafia organization which was established in 1931. The fact that Capone was convicted that same year has nothing to do with it.

But I should point out that all this is a diversion argument you have tried to make to take attention away from you stupid claim about the Italians somehow being stronger in the 1920's, when they were less organized, divided, and still fighting amongst each other, then later on once they were unified, nationalized, and had supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. Just admit it Johnny, you were caught talking out of your ass once again.

i know everything about capone that a person can possibly know off the top of his head.

Yeah, that's why you make claims about him that aren't true, why you thought he assualted the Mayor of Chicago, and why you didn't know about the deal he made with Maranzano. LOL! You're a real expert Johnny.

when did capone make this deal with maranzano you DDDDDDDICCCCCCKKKKKKKHEADDDDDDDD

Capone originally allied himself and his organization in Chicago with Joe Masseria, who of course was fighting Salvatore Maranzano in New York, because Maranzano was allied with Capone's rival in Chicago Joe Aiello. Capone was among the bosses who met in Atlantic City in 1929 and Chicago was on the first Commission in 1931 once a peace treaty was made between Maranzano and Capone. Maranzano, and later Luciano, recognized Capone as the boss of Chicago.

Now watch, instead of admitting he didn't know this, Johnny will change the subject and ask why I know this and don't know about some arch criminal in Albania back in the day who screwed a goat or whatever.

[CheGuevara]

Well, c'mon Johnny. Use that "world wide search engine" to find all those U.S. politicians, judges, and cops that you claim have been corrupted by the Mexican cartels. You use Google all the time when it comes to Albanians but yet you won't use it here to back up your claims about the Mexicans. And we all know the reason. Because you know your claims are BS. So quit making excuses.

you can continue to make yourself look stupid if you want. i'm not doing any research for you. i told you time and time again but you keep wanting to argue even this, if i don't have a source on my microsoft file, i'm not digging it up for anyone on this board. you can do your own work.

This is one of the many problems with you only being 17. You are too young to remember the 1990's, at least in regards to organized crime. The predictions and claims about the Russians were much bigger than those about the Albanians. This isn't an attempt to "downsize" your favorite crime group. I'm simply pointing out that the predictions about the Russians haven't come true. And there is no reason, other than your own wishful thinking, to think the predictions about the Albanians will either.

it's good you didn't argue what i originally said. i can tell you officially realized you looked like a dumbass with what you said. there is a reason as i've stated before. the italian mafia in america has never been so weak. even you have admitted that sooner or later the italian mafia will one day be brought down to be on the same level as other groups. the reason i think albanian organized crime will surpass italian organized crime soon is because for one, fbi, officials and experts are predicting it but other than that, the italians are weakening while albanian criminals are gaining ground and power. now what the year will be when aoc suprasses ioc is debatable but it will happen.

First, it's funny how Capone seems to be the only name you are able to come up with as far as all these Italians who weren't in the Mafia. Second, I've already shown you that Capone is a bad example.

there are many more idiot. don't act like there weren't you ignorant moron. you showed me capone was a bad example? how? by showing us that the chicago outfit eventually came into alliance with the national commission WHICH HAD ALSO JEWISH members! YOUR IGNORANCE AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY IS APPALLING!

What? Are we narrowing the goal posts again Johnny? You made the claim that Capone wasn't in the Mafia. Before 1931, that was correct. The Capone gang, and those that preceded him, were technically separate. But they came under the national Mafia organization which was established in 1931. The fact that Capone was convicted that same year has nothing to do with it.

lol! IDIOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! DEAR GOD WHAT A MORON! CAPONE WAS STILL NOT IN THE MAFIA! in his last months as a free man, he joined the national commission which had even jewish members (meyer lansky). LOOOOOOOOOOOL MORRRRRRRRRRRON!

But I should point out that all this is a diversion argument you have tried to make to take attention away from you stupid claim about the Italians somehow being stronger in the 1920's, when they were less organized, divided, and still fighting amongst each other, then later on once they were unified, nationalized, and had supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. Just admit it Johnny, you were caught talking out of your ass once again.

i admit you're a dumbass who shows his stupidity with every post you make.

Yeah, that's why you make claims about him that aren't true, why you thought he assualted the Mayor of Chicago, and why you didn't know about the deal he made with Maranzano. LOL! You're a real expert Johnny.

like i said, i know everything a person can know about capone off the top of his head moron. i knew about capone's deal with the commission, i knew about capone's mayor assualt however i mixed up cicero with chicago because i read abotu it 2-3 years ago but leave it to you to say a little mix up like that means anything.

Capone originally allied himself and his organization in Chicago with Joe Masseria, who of course was fighting Salvatore Maranzano in New York, because Maranzano was allied with Capone's rival in Chicago Joe Aiello. Capone was among the bosses who met in Atlantic City in 1929 and Chicago was on the first Commission in 1931 once a peace treaty was made between Maranzano and Capone. Maranzano, and later Luciano, recognized Capone as the boss of Chicago.

Now watch, instead of admitting he didn't know this, Johnny will change the subject and ask why I know this and don't know about some arch criminal in Albania back in the day who screwed a goat or whatever.

no dickhead, i won't say that. i will say you just proved me right you dickhead. i wasen't asking you actually when the deal took place. i'm telling you that just because capone joined the comission during his last months as a free man, doesn't mean you can call his career apart of the mafia. his entire life he has been out of it.

screwed a goat? it's funny how thevirginside talks about albanian criminals. such negativity. how come we don't get to hear italian criminals being insulted like this virginside? biased a little?

[thewestside]

you can continue to make yourself look stupid if you want. i'm not doing any research for you. i told you time and time again but you keep wanting to argue even this, if i don't have a source on my microsoft file, i'm not digging it up for anyone on this board. you can do your own work.

Like I keep saying, when it involves Albanians you are more than happy to go Googling and find stuff to back you up. But when it comes to the Mexicans, you suddenly don't want to do so. And there are actually two reasons. 1) As I said, you know that you're wrong. And 2) you really have no interest in doing any in depth research on any group outside of the Albanians.

it's good you didn't argue what i originally said. i can tell you officially realized you looked like a dumbass with what you said.

I'm not sure exactly what you are refering to but it's obvious you're reading something that isn't there.

there is a reason as i've stated before. the italian mafia in america has never been so weak. even you have admitted that sooner or later the italian mafia will one day be brought down to be on the same level as other groups. the reason i think albanian organized crime will surpass italian organized crime soon is because for one, fbi, officials and experts are predicting it but other than that, the italians are weakening while albanian criminals are gaining ground and power. now what the year will be when aoc suprasses ioc is debatable but it will happen.

Um no, FBI officials and experts aren't predicting it. You have one CNN article that cites unnamed FBI sources as claiming the Albanians are "threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra families as kingpins of U.S. Crime." And you have a single sentence in Saviano's book which claims the Albanians are "squeezing" out the Italians in the U.S. Not exactly a lot to base your claim on. As I've said before, the CNN article came out in 2004 - the same year as the Rudaj indictment. Saviano's statement has no qualifier, is supported by absolutely no evidence whatsoever. All you have is some hypotheticals, some possible predictions made about Albanians. The same, as I have said, about other groups before. Contrary to your belief, the Albanians have not shown themselves to be any smarter, any sneakier, any more proficient than other groups. That's why you constantly have to fall back on what you claim to be their unrivaled violence, which is also false. The current activity level of Albanian groups does not match the more far out claims about them. But of course you simply fall back on them being in the shadows like some type of underworld ninjas. You really have nothing Johnny. Nothing but your own wishful thinking which will likely never be realized.

there are many more idiot. don't act like there weren't you ignorant moron. you showed me capone was a bad example? how? by showing us that the chicago outfit eventually came into alliance with the national commission WHICH HAD ALSO JEWISH members! YOUR IGNORANCE AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY IS APPALLING!

The national Mafia Commission had Jewish members? This is news to me. Who might those be? There were some top Jewish OC guys like Lansky, Buchalter, Zwillman, Shultz, Dalitz, etc. and they made alliances with the Italians in the 1930's and afterwards. But they were never members of the Mafia, much less the Commission of Mafia bosses. And as time went on, they lost their power while the power of the Italians grew. Which was one reason why the Mafia was more powerful in the 1950's and 1960's than it had been in the 1920's. The Irish and Jewish groups had fallen by the wayside for the most part.

lol! IDIOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! DEAR GOD WHAT A MORON! CAPONE WAS STILL NOT IN THE MAFIA! in his last months as a free man, he joined the national commission which had even jewish members (meyer lansky). LOOOOOOOOOOOL MORRRRRRRRRRRON!

Capone never went through the fire and blood ceremony. But many Outfit guys didn't in the early days and for a good while after that. But Capone was recognized as the boss of the Chicago family of La Cosa Nostra, as were those that succeeded him. They were Mafia. And once again, Lansky was never a member of the national Commission. In fact, he wasn't even allowed to sit in on Commission meetings.

i admit you're a dumbass who shows his stupidity with every post you make.

Pot, meet black.

like i said, i know everything a person can know about capone off the top of his head moron. i knew about capone's deal with the commission, i knew about capone's mayor assualt however i mixed up cicero with chicago because i read abotu it 2-3 years ago but leave it to you to say a little mix up like that means anything.

You lying little shit. If you already knew about Capone's deal with the Commission, why did you laugh and ask me when he did it? You didn't know about it. This is why you are known as the biggest liar on this board.

no dickhead, i won't say that. i will say you just proved me right you dickhead. i wasen't asking you actually when the deal took place. i'm telling you that just because capone joined the comission during his last months as a free man, doesn't mean you can call his career apart of the mafia. his entire life he has been out of it.

Backpeddle all you want Johnny. It's obvious to me and everyone else here you knew nothing about Capone's treaty with Maranzano or him being recognized as the boss of Chicago by the Commission.

Also, your argument about Capone's organization in Chicago being seperate before 1931 only supports my case about the Mafia being stronger afterwards. When would the Italians be stronger? When they were seperate groups (in some instances) fighting amongst themselves in addition to the Irish and Jewish gangsters different cities or when they had unified themselves as a single national group of families under the Commission, no longer fighting with each other and having supplanted the Irish and Jews? Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out.

[CheGuevara]

Like I keep saying, when it involves Albanians you are more than happy to go Googling and find stuff to back you up. But when it comes to the Mexicans, you suddenly don't want to do so. And there are actually two reasons. 1) As I said, you know that you're wrong. And 2) you really have no interest in doing any in depth research on any group outside of the Albanians.

nope. it has to do withthe fact that i told you before if it's not on my microsoft file. i am not getting it anymore.

I'm not sure exactly what you are refering to but it's obvious you're reading something that isn't there.

looool! how hilarious, he gets lost in the conversation. vostok the 2nd looooool.

Um no, FBI officials and experts aren't predicting it. You have one CNN article that cites unnamed FBI sources as claiming the Albanians are "threatening to displace La Cosa Nostra families as kingpins of U.S. Crime." And you have a single sentence in Saviano's book which claims the Albanians are "squeezing" out the Italians in the U.S. Not exactly a lot to base your claim on. As I've said before, the CNN article came out in 2004 - the same year as the Rudaj indictment. Saviano's statement has no qualifier, is supported by absolutely no evidence whatsoever. All you have is some hypotheticals, some possible predictions made about Albanians. The same, as I have said, about other groups before. Contrary to your belief, the Albanians have not shown themselves to be any smarter, any sneakier, any more proficient than other groups. That's why you constantly have to fall back on what you claim to be their unrivaled violence, which is also false. The current activity level of Albanian groups does not match the more far out claims about them. But of course you simply fall back on them being in the shadows like some type of underworld ninjas. You really have nothing Johnny. Nothing but your own wishful thinking which will likely never be realized.

there is so many errors in this statement. the albanians are the most violent. i gave you a list as long as you on another thread stating so. the albanians have def. shown themselves to be more sneaky as i have never seen any officials say they have failed to penetrate the mob or say the mob is very secret. albanian clans are based on actual blood you moron. how can you even argue that they aren't more sneaky? being built on family instead of friends alone makes you more sneaky as your organization is extremely hard to penetrate under those conditions. the fbi and saviano to you are weong because they don't agree with what you say. aything you don't agree with is wrong. just like rudaj never beat up made men because you said so, even thought the fbi said they did.

Capone never went through the fire and blood ceremony. But many Outfit guys didn't in the early days and for a good while after that. But Capone was recognized as the boss of the Chicago family of La Cosa Nostra, as were those that succeeded him. They were Mafia. And once again, Lansky was never a member of the national Commission. In fact, he wasn't even allowed to sit in on Commission meetings.

capone was not in the mafia you fvcking dunce until 1931 when he made the deal like you said. prior to that, he was an italian gangster but he wasen't in the mafia.

You lying little shit. If you already knew about Capone's deal with the Commission, why did you laugh and ask me when he did it? You didn't know about it. This is why you are known as the biggest liar on this board.

i laughed because he made the deal in his final months as a free man. and you consider him to have been in the mafia because of it. his entire life, he was an italian gangster not in the mafia. he makes a deal during his last months outside jail and all the sudden, al capone was in the mafia. looooooool. the correct phrase would be, "al capone joined the mafia during his last months outside jail." i shouldn't say last monthts outside jail since he got out and died in florida but your dumbass knows what i mean. dont you dumbass? thats a good dumbass.

Also, your argument about Capone's organization in Chicago being seperate before 1931 only supports my case about the Mafia being stronger afterwards. When would the Italians be stronger? When they were seperate groups (in some instances) fighting amongst themselves in addition to the Irish and Jewish gangsters different cities or when they had unified themselves as a single national group of families under the Commission, no longer fighting with each other and having supplanted the Irish and Jews? Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out.

the italians (not the mafia) was strongest during prohibition. the mafia was strongest in the 1950's to 1960's.

[thewestside]

nope. it has to do withthe fact that i told you before if it's not on my microsoft file. i am not getting it anymore.

All those links you have on Albanians weren't originally on your "microsoft file" either. But we both know you've spent hours upon hours looking on the internet for those. But you can't do it for the Mexicans to prove your claim. Just goes to show what I've said many times before. You are not interested in any other group besides Albanians. And you're only interested in Albanians because you are Albanian and so you can come on forums and brag about them. Well my advice to you is don't make comments about other groups because you know jackshit about them.

there is so many errors in this statement. the albanians are the most violent. i gave you a list as long as you on another thread stating so. the albanians have def.

I'll say it one more time. The current comments about the violence of Albanians are no different than comments made about other groups in the past. And the Albanians haven't really done anything that hasn't been done by other groups before. You know it and that's why you have to change the argument to "exporting violence" to make the Albanians look different. But even there, look how much violence the Italians committed in this country. Or the Colombians during the cocaine wars when they took the top spot from the Cubans. Or the Jamaican drug posses. It's the same thing. Just one group follows another. And even if the Albanians were somehow more violent than all the rest, which they are not, what exactly is your point? Do you even have one? Or do you keep going back and back to that like you go back and back to the Rudaj organization because it's all you have?

shown themselves to be more sneaky as i have never seen any officials say they have failed to penetrate the mob or say the mob is very secret. albanian clans are based on actual blood you moron. how can you even argue that they aren't more sneaky? being built on family instead of friends alone makes you more sneaky as your organization is extremely hard to penetrate under those conditions. the fbi and saviano to you are weong because they don't agree with what you say. aything you don't agree with is wrong. just like rudaj never beat up made men because you said so, even thought the fbi said they did.

You take the comments of some law enforcement officials regarding one case and span it over all of law enforcement in the whole U.S. One agency strikes out against one Albanian group and you claim the FBI and everyone else are helpless to confront the mighty Albanians. As I said, there is always a learning curve with new groups. The same with the Chinese and Russians before. But the feds are quick learners. They have almost unlimited resources and whatever Albanian groups pose a big enough threat will sooner or later be taken down. We saw it with Rudaj, we saw it with "Operation Black Eagle, we saw it with the Canada-Michigan smuggling ring, we saw it with the Albanians running scams with others in Vegas, etc. What happened Johnny? Did the Albanians in these cases forget their Albanian ninja-sneakiness?

i laughed because he made the deal in his final months as a free man. and you consider him to have been in the mafia because of it. his entire life, he was an italian gangster not in the mafia. he makes a deal during his last months outside jail and all the sudden, al capone was in the mafia. looooooool. the correct phrase would be, "al capone joined the mafia during his last months outside jail." i shouldn't say last monthts outside jail since he got out and died in florida but your dumbass knows what i mean. dont you dumbass? thats a good dumbass.

Laugh all you want. You're the one who claims he knows everything about Capone but didn't even know about the treaty he made with Maranzano. And then after I prove you wrong, you lie through your teeth and claim you did know. Are all Albanians lying scum like you?

the italians (not the mafia) was strongest during prohibition. the mafia was strongest in the 1950's to 1960's.

Like I said, this statement is just a diversion tactic.. You'll find any way to split hairs rather than admit you got something wrong.

Once more......

1920's - The Italians were not unified, fighting amongst themselves as well as with the Irish and Jewish groups. In many instances they still lacked the stronger political connections of the Irish and the legitimate business/labor union connections of the Jews. They are on their way but they are still building, still establishing themselves. And Prohibition simply helps them establish themselves.

1950's and 1960's - the Italians are unified into the same organization consisting of over two dozen families across the nation under a single Commission. They have supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. They now control the lion's share of all illegal activities in multiple cities. They control national labor unions, as well as local ones in city after city. They have the power to shut down shipping on the eastern seaboard or interstate trucking. They still control politicians, mayors, judges, cops, etc. They have the casinos in Vegas and Cuba. They have expanded far more into legitimate industry like construction, trucking, shipping, garbage, etc.

You know, just as I do, that the Italians/Mafia (they are the same thing) were stronger in the 1950's and 1960's than they were in the 1920's. So quit trying to play word games you Albanian coward.

[CheGuevara]

All those links you have on Albanians weren't originally on your "microsoft file" either. But we both know you've spent hours upon hours looking on the internet for those. But you can't do it for the Mexicans to prove your claim. Just goes to show what I've said many times before. You are not interested in any other group besides Albanians. And you're only interested in Albanians because you are Albanian and so you can come on forums and brag about them. Well my advice to you is don't make comments about other groups because you know jackshit about them.

no, originally, they weren't. but you inspired me to do so as in our old debates, you insisted on source aftre source after source and i realized that you yourself, had numerous sources on file which is why your comments were always the size of my body because you merely copied and pasted. very clever of you. however, i didn't come to the forum prepared like that because i never took the forum seriously, it was just a place to talk when i'm not outside my house. so i decided to become somewhat as prepared. but that was a while ago, i just recently found this file again. and like i said, if a source is not on there, it's not being found by me again.

even if the Albanians were somehow more violent than all the rest, which they are, what exactly is your point? Do you even have one? Or do you keep going back and back to that like you go back and back to the Rudaj organization because it's all you have?

nope. no point, i am just stating the obvious that albanian organized crime is the most violent one.

You take the comments of some law enforcement officials regarding one case and span it over all of law enforcement in the whole U.S. One agency strikes out against one Albanian group and you claim the FBI and everyone else are helpless to confront the mighty Albanians. As I said, there is always a learning curve with new groups. The same with the Chinese and Russians before. But the feds are quick learners. They have almost unlimited resources and whatever Albanian groups pose a big enough threat will sooner or later be taken down. We saw it with Rudaj, we saw it with "Operation Black Eagle, we saw it with the Canada-Michigan smuggling ring, we saw it with the Albanians running scams with others in Vegas, etc. What happened Johnny? Did the Albanians in these cases forget their Albanian ninja-sneakiness?

half the rudaj indictment was non-albanian, half the gjoka indictment was half-albanian, half the canadian group was non-albanian, more than half the vegas group was non-albanian. these groups (except vegas) were albanian run. however, as the officials say, most albanians revolve around clan structures, blood and marriages. these groups became more daring and branched out from their clannish ways. what followed is indictment as americans, italians, greeks, etc... are prone to snitching, wiretaps and overall sloppiness as they have been in this slothy country longer and speak only english.

Laugh all you want. You're the one who claims he knows everything about Capone but didn't even know about the treaty he made with Maranzano. And then after I prove you wrong, you lie through your teeth and claim you did know. Are all Albanians lying scum like you?

how do you even expect to have a debate with someone if your only way of response is saying something that's not true like what i did or didn't know? are all americans this dumb? what the hell am i saying, they are. BUT WAIT! EDISON WAS AMERICAN, HENRY FORD WAS AMERICAN, AMERICANS HAVE HAD SO MUCH MORE PROMINENT FIGURES IN REGARDS TO BUSINESS AND INVENTION! the facts are against me! americans are smarter than albanians now! right? because they have more inventors! right!? loooool.

You know, just as I do, that the Italians/Mafia (they are the same thing) were stronger in the 1950's and 1960's than they were in the 1920's. So quit trying to play word games you Albanian coward.

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely. that is the lowest thing that can happen to you. it's like a black guy calling you nigger trash. if you think this is true, than think it! what the fuck do you care what i think? i think the italians were stronger in the 1920s and that the mafia was strongest in the 1950s and 60s.

[thewestside]

half the rudaj indictment was non-albanian, half the gjoka indictment was half-albanian, half the canadian group was non-albanian, more than half the vegas group was non-albanian. these groups (except vegas) were albanian run. however, as the officials say, most albanians revolve around clan structures, blood and marriages. these groups became more daring and branched out from their clannish ways. what followed is indictment as americans, italians, greeks, etc... are prone to snitching, wiretaps and overall sloppiness as they have been in this slothy country longer and speak only english.

I see, it was the incompetence of all the other groups that did it, right? LOL! Do you really believe this? When you're bragging about the Rudaj organization, you minimize the involvement of people from other ethnic groups in it. But when the Rudaj organization got taken down, it wasn't the Albanians fault! No, it was everyone else. Nope, it wasn't Alex Rudaj's stupid idea to march into Rao's Restaurant and "take over" John Gotti's old table. Even you can't really be this in denial.

how do you even expect to have a debate with someone if your only way of response is saying something that's not true like what i did or didn't know? are all americans this dumb? what the hell am i saying, they are. BUT WAIT! EDISON WAS AMERICAN, HENRY FORD WAS AMERICAN, AMERICANS HAVE HAD SO MUCH MORE PROMINENT FIGURES IN REGARDS TO BUSINESS AND INVENTION! the facts are against me! americans are smarter than albanians now! right? because they have more inventors! right!? loooool.

What did I say that wasn't true? You didn't know about the treaty between Capone and Maranzano. Which is why you laughed when I mentioned it and asked me when it was. Then after I told you, you back peddled and claimed you knew about it all along.

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely. that is the lowest thing that can happen to you. it's like a black guy calling you nigger trash. if you think this is true, than think it! what the fu-- do you care what i think?

Compare the United States of America to Albania. Exactly. Albania is like a pimple on the ass of the U.S.

i think the italians were stronger in the 1920s and that the mafia was strongest in the 1950s and 60s.

No, I don't think you do. I think you are just saying you do so you don't have to admit you were wrong. But I'll give you a chance to prove your point. Since your whole basis is that there were many other Italian groups that were not in the Mafia during this time period, give me just two other examples of non-Mafia Italian organizations in the U.S. at the time besides the Capone gang.

[Faciulina]

Capone never went through the fire and blood ceremony. But many Outfit guys didn't in the early days and for a good while after that

where do you heard this thewestside? if he was introduced into a mafia famly he sure did the traditional ceremony so the outfit members

[VostokSila]

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

[Dobre]

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

The Macedonians are by nature secretive on account of the struggling existence they have led, but it is somewhat extraordinary that in the long run they never miss carrying out their veangance
The Times, 01-04-1924

[thewestside]

where do you heard this thewestside? if he was introduced into a mafia famly he sure did the traditional ceremony so the outfit members

Nope. According to testimony by underworld figures, the Chicago Outfit didn't start using the traditional blood and fire ceremony to make new members until around the 1970's. But they were still considered part of La Cosa Nostra since the 1930's.

[Dobre]

being called a coward from an american? wow, my self esteem was just shot down completely

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

He received the warmest, most rockstar welcome in his life, having his hands kissed, a street named after him. And generally being proclaimed king of Albania. Apparently they even gave him free range at their world famous prositute industry

All this couldnt stop his watch from being stolen on camera. enjoy

On a side note when asked in an interview with Albanian reporter "what does come to your mind when you heard the word, Albania?"

the Presidents reply was "Muslim people who can live at peace. That's what comes to mind"

[CheGuevara]

I see, it was the incompetence of all the other groups that did it, right? LOL! Do you really believe this? When you're bragging about the Rudaj organization, you minimize the involvement of people from other ethnic groups in it. But when the Rudaj organization got taken down, it wasn't the Albanians fault! No, it was everyone else. Nope, it wasn't Alex Rudaj's stupid idea to march into Rao's Restaurant and "take over" John Gotti's old table. Even you can't really be this in denial.

i'm not in denial. go back and look at the way they caught both rudaj and lika yourself. both lika and rudaj got taken down due to foreign snitches. apparently, both greek. i am waiting for an update on the gjoka indictment to see how in fact, they were able to take down members of this organization as well. somehow, i won't be surprised if the two americans, one italians or one serbian had something to do with it.

What did I say that wasn't true? You didn't know about the treaty between Capone and Maranzano. Which is why you laughed when I mentioned it and asked me when it was. Then after I told you, you back peddled and claimed you knew about it all along.

i laughed because of the date that it happened you dick. i was fully aware of his involvement with maranzano. however, i can't live the rest of my life as a muslim and then covert to judaism the last few months i'm alive and then be considered a jew in the eyes of people who remember me. can i?

Compare the United States of America to Albania. Exactly. Albania is like a pimple on the ass of the U.S.

albania has been through warfare it's entire history and has dealt with superpowers of the world numerous times. not to mention migration and everything else that toppled onto the problem. america was founded by english/germans and welcomed every single ethnicity in the world to this country (which is morel ike a depressing cultural sucker). there is no such thing as an american. unless you're talking about native americans. i would rather be part of a small country where at least i am confident in my ethnicity and know my culture and background instead of be an american citizen who has no idea what his ancetors spoke and has no idea about any sort of cultural or traditional way of living or anything. it's sad to think about life as an american.

No, I don't think you do. I think you are just saying you do so you don't have to admit you were wrong. But I'll give you a chance to prove your point. Since your whole basis is that there were many other Italian groups that were not in the Mafia during this time period, give me just two other examples of non-Mafia Italian organizations in the U.S. at the time besides the Capone gang.

not my whole basis, besides that very clear fact. i'm also taking into fact that the mafia itself was heavily involved in bootlegging. and what difference would it make if i gave you two, four or even eight other italian gangs outside the mafia? you would accuse me of googling them and say i didn't know a damn thing about them.

[CheGuevara]

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

yep, and russia is the little bitch who screams for attention but the west totally ignores them. as they proved throughout many encounters in the last decade from the belgrade bombings to the oil scare russia tried to do lol. pathetic.

[Dobre]

I thought you are american.. and I thought Albaners love the US and lick their balls.

yep, and russia is the little bitch who screams for attention but the west totally ignores them. as they proved throughout many encounters in the last decade from the belgrade bombings to the oil scare russia tried to do lol. pathetic.

How ironic. Shiptars are the little bitches who scream for attention but we(Balkan Slavs) totally ignore them so they throw tauntrums and no one really gives a fuck or notices.

Drenica..

1998-1999 in Kosovo
2000 in Preshevo Valley in Southern Serbia
2001 in Macedonia
2001 in Greece
2007 in Macedonia again
2008 in Kosovo again

The list is endless.

Russia, on the other hand, is a superpower.

1. PRC
2. Russia
3. USA

When the USA is stronger than Russia, send me an email.

[DutchGangster69]

The USA is way stronger then Russia or China

[Dobre]

The USA is way stronger then Russia or China

If you exclude extraterrestrial involvement and go into the modern or accepted perception of reality, then fuck no, the USA is a fly compared to the hippo Russia or China is.

With extraterrestrial involvement, USA > Russia and China. The reality is, USA = Russia and China because the USA is allied with Russia and China.

[Azure9920]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

[Dobre]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

Lies! 15,000 Russian troops defeated the Georgian military in 5 days.

[CheGuevara]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

what is the fear of russia? in 2050, they will be 100mn, in 2100, 66mn, in 2150, they won't even be an issue on the world map. not to mention china will without a doubt take a gigantic piece of russia when it achieves it's full but slow turnaround from communist to democratic and the gdp is up.

[Azure9920]

what is the fear of russia?

Well, as Dobre pointed out above, they decimated the Georgian military, which is comparable to that of Albania.

in 2050, they will be 100mn, in 2100, 66mn, in 2150, they won't even be an issue on the world map.

Population declines are difficult to measure over the short term. For example, the UN figure you're quoting is several years old. It wasn't a definite decline estimate, but rather a possibility if the trends continue. Since then however, the trends have begun to reverse and show signs of improvement. Now, I know you don't like hearing that, since you don't like Vostok.

not to mention china will without a doubt take a gigantic piece of russia when it achieves it's full but slow turnaround from communist to democratic and the gdp is up.

I chuckled a bit when I read that.

[CheGuevara]

Well, as Dobre pointed out above, they decimated the Georgian military, which is comparable to that of Albania.

lol, piece of shit, at least i have an army.

Population declines are difficult to measure over the short term. For example, the UN figure you're quoting is several years old. It wasn't a definite decline estimate, but rather a possibility if the trends continue. Since then however, the trends have begun to reverse and show signs of improvement. Now, I know you don't like hearing that, since you don't like Vostok.

maybe, do you have a source that states a turnaround? actually, you're right. i don't like hearing that. i want russians to die out. the quicker the better. funny, the serbs are taking the same direction, their low birth rates, high suicide rates, immigration and such will leave serbian without a population in i think 500 years. the world is cured with the removal of slavs.

I chuckled a bit when I read that.

don't say chuckled. it's such an ugly word. and another thing, why would you laugh? china will indeed become an aggressor once it is able to do so. with the increasing gdp every year, it's only a matter of time when china can do what it wants without worrying about un intervention. russia and mongolia will natural be it's first targets due to the oil and small populations in these future nations.

[Azure9920]

lol, piece of shit, at least i have an army.

Oh, do you now? Do me a favour then? Invade Macedonia.

maybe, do you have a source that states a turnaround? actually, you're right. i don't like hearing that. i want russians to die out. the quicker the better. funny, the serbs are taking the same direction, their low birth rates, high suicide rates, immigration and such will leave serbian without a population in i think 500 years. the world is cured with the removal of slavs.

http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b09_00/IssWW ... 01/7-0.htm

china will indeed become an aggressor once it is able to do so.

Oh, really now?

worrying about un intervention.

lol

russia and mongolia will natural be it's first targets due to the oil and small populations in these future nations.

Well, then I wish the best of luck to China in their invasion of Russia. Also, before you make yourself look like Dobre, I suggest you take a closer look at the relations of the PRC and Mongolia.

[Dobre]

I heard(from a very reliable source) that the Russian military can't mobilize.

Uh oh Dobre, looks like you'll need to find another country to piggyback for your conspiracies.

what is the fear of russia? in 2050, they will be 100mn, in 2100, 66mn, in 2150, they won't even be an issue on the world map. not to mention china will without a doubt take a gigantic piece of russia when it achieves it's full but slow turnaround from communist to democratic and the gdp is up.

What is the fear of Russia? Um...they are probably the only historical rival that the US has shit rocks of...

Also, more baseless claims and assumptions.

Albanians are afraid of Slavs. When I was in Ohrid, they were the ones that kept quiet and in the dark, not us. Note that there was more friggin Croats than Albanians, let alone Serbs who were 1 in 10 of the entire tourist population in Ohrid.

[Dobre]

Oh, do you now? Do me a favour then? Invade Macedonia.

They already attempted that twice in the past decade and failed miserably. I mean, read the Wikipedia article on the NLA. At the beginning, the weapons we seized from them, some of them dated back to the Roman empire.

How they attempted to invade us with 2,000 year old weapons is beyond me.

The Albanian military has no tanks or planes, the Macedonian military can turn Albania into a post apocalyptic wasteland.

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Kumanovo – A powerful bomb went off at 4:45 PM this afternoon in front of Kumanovo's Goce Delcev High School, leaving one dead and five injured. Goce Delcev is the city's main high school, and located near the central square. Classes were in session at the time of the bombing.

Shortly after the detonation, police arrived on the scene and cordoned off the adjacent streets. Shrapnel was found as far as 100 meters away – attesting to the power of the bomb, which was apparently concealed in a trash can in front of the school.

Police on the scene were tight-lipped, stating only that the bomb squad was investigating and that "more information will be released as it becomes available." Despite security worries over the recent bombing of the Macedonian Consulate in Karachi, it is unlikely that al Qaeda or any other foreign body was involved in this bombing.

One policeman guarding the school revealed that things could have been much worse: "at the time the bomb exploded, the children should have been standing out in front of the school – but the bell which lets them out of class went off late."

An elderly man walking by at the time was killed, and the injured were also innocent bystanders. Since the bomb was apparently timed to go off when the students were on their break, the death toll could have been far greater, had the bell gone off on time.

Kumanovo police would not speculate as to the perpetrators or their motives. However, it is interesting to note that less than an hour earlier DUI leader Ali Ahmeti had arrived in Kumanovo, under heavy security, with an Albanian delegation from the Ministry of Education. NATO soldiers arrived at the bombing scene an hour after it happened, and were not aware until I told them that Mr. Ahmeti was also in town. This news prompted an immediate cell phone call back to the base.

A NATO commander claimed not to know anything about what was happening: "we know as much as you do. We'll wait for the police to complete their investigation – we have time to wait, and so we will wait."

At the same time as the bombing occurred, Ahmeti was making a politically-connected tour of the Albanian primary school Bayram Shabani, where alleged cases of mass poisoning took place earlier this month.

The Albanian high school students who study here had gone to Goce Delcev until the war of 2001, at which time they claimed Macedonian hostilities forced them to leave. Although they claim that this was just a temporary segregation, Albanians are not planning to return: Mustafa Ebibi, school director, said "Albanian students left (Goce Delcev) because of Macedonian hooligans – even before 2001, they were beating us, and the police did nothing to control this." Another Albanian teacher added, "I don't believe that the two groups can get along together – we Albanians need our own high school."

Macedonian teachers in Kumanovo deny that Albanian students suffered persistent abuse. Said one, "they are just using this language of 'human rights' violations to get their way – it is the same tactic as always."

[/b]200 Albanian students in all claim to have been poisoned, although they could not say how it had happened. A mysterious gas in the classroom was blamed for the poisoning, but doctors at Kumanovo Hospital could find nothing wrong with them. The students were transferred to Skopje's prestigious State Clinic, where doctors in the Toxicology and Infective Deiseases clinics returned the same verdict. The government then called in experts from the World Health Organization. They left yesterday, and also were at a loss.

Exasperated Albanians state that biased Macedonian doctors are purposefully trying to deny their symptoms. However, Macedonian doctors say that the parents of the students behaved very aggressively in trying to force hospitalization for their children, when "...there were patients with real and serious problems also there at the same time."[/b]

I visited the school today in order to locate the source of the problem, and was told that I was the only journalist to have done so – though many reports have been published this month. The allegedly poisoned classrooms contained nothing but a few tables and old-fashioned wood burning stoves. There were no ducts, fans or vents by which any strange gases could enter the room.

Even stranger, the smiling elementary schoolers in the rooms had obviously not been affected. Sevim Ahmeti, head of the local Parent-Teacher Organization, claimed that only the high school students had been affected – and on one occasion. The older students start classes every day at 3:30, after the youngsters leave at 3:15.

When asked how any poison gases could have been introduced under such strange and selective circumstances, Ahmeti speculated that the 15-minute window of opportunity could possibly have allowed "the enemies of the Albanian people" to strike. One report earlier this month speculated that Serbian agents were behind it. Sevim Ahmeti does not discount this possibility, or that of a Macedonian "enemy" of the Albanians.

Comparing the poisonings to a hypothetical gas attack on the New York subway, Ahmeti declared, "this is big terrorism, if you poison these students – why should these students be sacrificed? Fortunately, we have controls on the front door now to make sure that no unknown man can come in."

Indeed, the front door of the school is guarded and several parents – additional "security," I was told – mill around the halls. They were joined today by members of Ahmeti's security detail.

While the whole thing seems a bit farfetched, it does come as further confirmation of the fact that the present war in Macedonia is that being fought over education. The heart and soul of the country is being decided by the questions of what schools will operate, and whom they will cater to. Albanians are adamant on being educated exclusively in their own language.

The true story of the "poisoning" affair may never be known. It is not significant in itself, but for being merely one battle in the growing war over education. Regardless of whether it really happened, and if so how, there is one indisputable fact: that the only terrorist act in Kumanovo today was a cowardly bombing aimed at children that instead killed one innocent 65 year-old man.

At present, the bombing is still being investigated. It was announced two hours ago that Interior Minister Hari Kostov, Defense Minister Vladko Buchkovski, and NATO Ambassador Nicholas Biegman were en route to Kumanovo – a notable development that indicates that this perhaps isolated bombing may be the beginning of something more significant.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/deliso64.html

^ That's how stupid Albanians are even though they know we're like this. Next time instead of using a timer, use a friggin IED and a fucking cell phone that goes off by the signal.

On a side note, I know a girl I'm close with that went to that school when the bomb went off, she lives above my room during the school days here. She was telling me about Bajrush Sejdiu a year before he got nabbed.

[Dobre]

Well, then I wish the best of luck to China in their invasion of Russia. Also, before you make yourself look like Dobre, I suggest you take a closer look at the relations of the PRC and Mongolia.

Like Dobre? What's Dobre, your mother's pussy is Dobre.

Dobre = Good in Bulgarian

Your trolling amuses me. Unblock me on MSN bitch.

Other than that, I think Johnny ignored me on SG ever since I posted me and Albanians deciding his fate.

[Dobre]

This is for Johnny, fresh off genetic history of Europe at Wikipedia



BAAAAAAAH! We have the same genes as those dirty Albanians.

[CheGuevara]

Oh, do you now? Do me a favour then? Invade Macedonia.

well, a few hundred albanian rebels tried in 2001. it's funny, they tied the entire army in number of deaths except for civilian deaths (slavic speciality).

Oh, really now?

yes, it will be a while before china tries anything against the western world. but russia and mongolia is prone to chinese attack sooner rather than later.

Well, then I wish the best of luck to China in their invasion of Russia. Also, before you make yourself look like Dobre, I suggest you take a closer look at the relations of the PRC and Mongolia.

are you talking about the relationship the chinese and mongolian cultures have had throughout history?

[Azure9920]

yes, it will be a while before china tries anything against the western world. but russia and mongolia is prone to chinese attack sooner rather than later.

If you're talking about military action against the West, that's unlikely. I don't get why people(Dobre seems to be a big fan of this as well) think China has any intention of going gung-ho and attacking countries. The capability to raise an army larger than the population of Europe doesn't automatically mean they'll be aggressive. China hasn't shown any intention of being anything more than a passive world power. That's not to say they won't intervene in their region, say squashing a rebellion in Vietnam that threatens to spill over to China for instance, but they certainly won't be the new US.

are you talking about the relationship the chinese and mongolian cultures have had throughout history?

No, I'm talking specifically about modern times. Except in a few instances of brooding ethnic groups that can't get over what happened 2000 years ago, what happened 2000 years ago has little bearing on foreign relations today. Things have changed quite a bit since the reign of Kublai.

[CheGuevara]

If you're talking about military action against the West, that's unlikely. I don't get why people(Dobre seems to be a big fan of this as well) think China has any intention of going gung-ho and attacking countries. The capability to raise an army larger than the population of Europe doesn't automatically mean they'll be aggressive. China hasn't shown any intention of being anything more than a passive world power. That's not to say they won't intervene in their region, say squashing a rebellion in Vietnam that threatens to spill over to China for instance, but they certainly won't be the new US.

i seriously doubt it. chinese people, i don't know. they just seem like the type of people who would be aggressors if given the chance. take a look at mao and his killing spree. at the risk of looking ridiculous writing this, i honestly think the united states will find a way to invade china. they'll do something like strike a deal with russia and make it seem like china invaded russia and the united states came to help.

[Azure9920]

take a look at mao and his killing spree.

That's like saying all Germans are like Hitler, or all Italians like Mussolini.

[CheGuevara]

take a look at mao and his killing spree.

That's like saying all Germans are like Hitler, or all Italians like Mussolini.

good point, but power is a terrible thing to have and it's not like china is a democracy. it's a communist state. what the state wants, it'll get. if the state wants to go to war against the world. the population doesn't really have a choice.