Is the LCN still the leading money maker in the US?

[Azure9920]

I mean that source didn't really state anything about money but still...

Glad to see you're somewhat reasonable.

It'll stop when you stop giving me things to work with.

It's nice that your grammar has improved lately, could you work on logic next? None of what you've said in this part of the conversation has made sense. It's literally been you putting words together in the hopes of making a sentence.

[Dobre]

Says the second admitted pedophile. Tell us again about the 11 year old who "worked it."

I'm not an Anglosaxon. You're an Albanian, I persume? Anglosaxons have sex with little kids, while Albanians force them into the sex trade and later on when they're all used up they take them and slice them open for their organs.

Anything you say doesn't work on me. You're still a disgusting creature converged in the gutter, probably in some feces ridden goat shack in the mountains.

As for that 11 year old, she was 9, but now she's 11 and oh can she work it. I've never had such a mind blowing orgasm in my life. If she was Albanian, my dick would have probably fallen off, not from the sheer power of the orgasm, but from the leech ridden sinkholes in your women you dare to call pussies.

[CheGuevara]

As for that 11 year old, she was 9, but now she's 11 and oh can she work it. I've never had such a mind blowing orgasm in my life.

[Dobre]

As for that 11 year old, she was 9, but now she's 11 and oh can she work it. I've never had such a mind blowing orgasm in my life.

HAHAHAHA you're so predictable xDD

[thewestside]

At one point major families were present throughout the states. Chicago LCN is non existant. Philly is gone. The midwest families are not even a threat. Los Angeles is non-existant. The only spot were they are even present is NYC and JERSEY.

I don't really have any desire to post on this board anymore but I should answer some of your points, which are simply not correct. Granted Faciulina doesn't know what he's talking about. But you don't either.

The Chicago LCN is non-existent? Are you joking? Though certainly not what it was at it's peak decades ago, the Chicago mob is still very much alive. I could give you a list of cases from just this decade that show as much. Investigators believe there are still as many as 60 made members plus many more associates. It is still involved in illegal gambling (mainly bookmaking and video poker), loansharking (juice loans), and extortion (the street tax). A lot of the top guys have interests in legitimate businesses like bars, restaurants, strip clubs, construction, auto dealerships, etc. There is still some local union, political, and police corruption.

Philadelphia is not gone either. Not yet anyway. It still has about 50 members though about half of them are in prison. Nevertheless the family is still active in Philadelphia and South Jersey, and like Chicago, I can show you cases to prove it. It's the usual things. Gambling, loansharking, extortion, drugs, fencing stolen goods, etc.

Nationwide about 85% of the remaining mob members are in the Northeast. 70% belonging to the five New York families alone. The families that could be considered still viable are the five New York families, New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and Buffalo. The only others that are still viable elsewhere are the Chicago and Detroit families. The New York families are also very active in Florida. But elsewhere, there is not much left. Only remnants.

Their hasnt been any murders attritubuted to LCN since 2000. They jsut dont have the means to even enforce their laws.

Really?

Philadelphia soldier Raymond “Long John” Martorano, Bonanno associate Frank Santoro, Detroit associate John Jarjosa Jr., and Chicago lieutenant Tony “The Hatchet” Chiaramonti were all killed in 2001. Philadelphia associate John “Johnny Gongs” Casasanto and Genovese captain Adolf “Big Al” Bruno were killed in 2003. Bonanno associate Randolf “Randy” Pizzolo was killed in 2004. Genovese acting captain Lawrence "Larry" Ricci and Bonanno associate Robert McKelvey were killed in 2005. Chicago lieutenant Anthony "Little Tony" Zizzo was killed in 2006. Genovese soldier Rudolf “Rudy Q-Ball” Izzi and Lucchese soldier Frank Langano were killed in 2007. Genovese associate William Marcucci was killed in 2008. And Bonanno associate Anthony Seccafico was killed this past July.

This is why I don't post here anymore. You just have a bunch of yahoos who don't know what they're talking about bickering amongst themselves.

[Faciulina]

new orleans, kansas city, tampa, los angeles, st. louis and cleveland families are still alive too, although they are smaller than others, no matter there were not indictments in the latest years... outside the lcn families there are litterally thousand members of italian oc, especially sicilians, who can easily rebuild the domestic families

[crm]

It seems that most of the recent mob killings have been within the mobs themselves. But they don't seem to be targeting people outside the crime families. What power then do they still have to impose their will on others? How can they extort or loan shark if the pain of injury or death isn't there? If people don't think that these guys are actually gonna go out and use force to make them comply...how can the mob still exert influence on the streets?

[thewestside]

It seems that most of the recent mob killings have been within the mobs themselves. But they don't seem to be targeting people outside the crime families. What power then do they still have to impose their will on others? How can they extort or loan shark if the pain of injury or death isn't there? If people don't think that these guys are actually gonna go out and use force to make them comply...how can the mob still exert influence on the streets?

I could show you cases from this decade as long as your arm that involve the mob still threatening and/or carrying out violence against loansharking victims. As well as shaking down businesses. The list I provided were simply the names of hits the mob has carried out of their own when someone claimed there hadn't been any since 2000. The only real change in somewhat recent years has been those who have gambling debts. Some families, rather than run the risk of leaning on a bettor to heavily and him running to the cops, will simply cut him off and not allow him to place bets anymore. For a gambler that can be worse than a beating.

[crm]

The gambling thing makes sense...but wouldnt it work the same way with extortion and loansharking? They dont threaten the gambler because they might run to the police, but wouldnt that same person run to the police if they were being extorted?

[Dobre]

The gambling thing makes sense...but wouldnt it work the same way with extortion and loansharking? They dont threaten the gambler because they might run to the police, but wouldnt that same person run to the police if they were being extorted?

LMFAO. Think of it this way, if you do something stupid in a gambling place the owner has every right to kick you out using force and ban you from that place. It's completely legal, it's not extortion. This is what the Westside meant by that.

I'll give you an example: I know a guy who runs a sports betting place. At those places you can drink, smoke and have coffee while you watch the sports matches on the plasma TV's above. I was there sitting with the owner and all of a sudden some guy's team lost in a match and he put alot of money on it. So the gambler took a chair and threw it at one of the plasma TV's destroying it. So the owner was GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT BEFORE I BLOW YOUR FUCKING HEAD WIDE OPEN...

The fucking gambler was pushing it. He told my friend the owner of the place you'll regret this.......

So my friend was like: WHAT?! GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER YOU MOTHERFUCKER GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SIGHT BEFORE I RIP YOUR FUCKING THROAT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

The gambler went and came back into the place and we got up. He reached into his leather jacket and I was like aw shit what if this guy pulls out a gun..

My friend was cussing him off while the gambler said come forward you fucking old punk greaseball let's see what you'll do.

A guy watching from the back since the first incident called some guys over and as the situation was getting heated, they came and grabbed him, took him outside and we haven't seen his face in the place ever since. He's afraid he's gonna get killed if he steps near it again.

This song LOLOL

[thewestside]

The gambling thing makes sense...but wouldnt it work the same way with extortion and loansharking? They dont threaten the gambler because they might run to the police, but wouldnt that same person run to the police if they were being extorted?

With loansharking the difference is the mob has already loaned out the money. They can't exactly give a guy money and then not collect. Because then they will just be seen as easy marks anyone can take advantage of. Often times if the guy can't make the vig payemnts the mob will look for other ways to collect. That's how the become your "partners" in whatever business you might have. With extortion, there is also the risk of somebody running to the cops. But they know that there will be five guys coming right behind the guy who gets picked up for the shakedown. They often figure it's better to pay the money than get their business burned down or get a beating.

[Dobre]

The gambling thing makes sense...but wouldnt it work the same way with extortion and loansharking? They dont threaten the gambler because they might run to the police, but wouldnt that same person run to the police if they were being extorted?

With loansharking the difference is the mob has already loaned out the money. They can't exactly give a guy money and then not collect. Because then they will just be seen as easy marks anyone can take advantage of. Often times if the guy can't make the vig payemnts the mob will look for other ways to collect. That's how the become your "partners" in whatever business you might have. With extortion, there is also the risk of somebody running to the cops. But they know that there will be five guys coming right behind the guy who gets picked up for the shakedown. They often figure it's better to pay the money than get their business burned down or get a beating.

The guy at the beginning did this with Paulie in Goodfellas, only he was asking for protection. The mob was borrowing credit from the bank on the resturaunt's bill, and in the end when they couldn't borrow any more money from the bank, the guy signed the insurance thing and they burned the place down, still collecting a buck.

I thought you were talking about gamblers, not business owners.

With gamblers, if they have gambling debts to the mob and can't pay the vig in cash...what I've seen go down in Macedonia and I assume it's the same elsewhere is that they send a couple of those muscular enforcer guys to the guy's house and take anything that's worth the vig or even a fraction of it.

It goes from simple shit such as jewelry to bigger things like expensive electronics(this being plasma tv's or tv's in general, computers, laptops, hell even fridges, dryers and washing machines) to cars and beyond.

Then if the guy owes alot of money, they can take your house.

Some guys will typically look for expensive things to collect but they won't take everything they can, they'll just keep coming in rates collecting stuff, this way they can take it as interest and keep it and you still have to pay the original vig.

Others whom are more honorable types, that don't exploit to the fullest, that have a little decency and know what addiction and poverty means, they take, keep and consider it paid off, they don't continue to demand.

Now there were some powerful businessmen in Macedonia who were the best guys to shake down...if you had the patiance and time to wait a couple of years. One was the richest man in Macedonia during the 1990's. He was a multimillionaire, but he was a chronic alcoholic and gambler. He would call his pilots in the middle of the night and make them come to the jets(the same types that are used for arrigation..or spraying against mosqitos and flies) and have a Gypsy trumpet drums type of band play music in the plane. He did alot of stupid crap...

He won a nice resturaunt in Shtip in a poker game. That resturaunt would be worth at least 5 million dollars on the American market, but that time it cost 400,000 Euros, or more like 800,000 German marks, by the local standards. That's alot of money for the local standards considering a major Socialist corperation cost 14 million German marks, or 6 million Euros, that's 9 million American dollars, that had 4800 factory workers in it's peak and produced millions of articles of clothing and shoes that were shipped off around the world and it even made clothing for the West German military and the foreign commands there, which some bosses were pissed off about because instead of saying Made in Yugoslavia, the Germans labelled it Made in West Germany and shipped it off to the PRC.

The stupid fucker got into debts and gambled away his entire multimillion dollar fortune and in the end, he was forced to sell his resturaunt for 50,000 Euros, or 80,000 American dollars.

[thewestside]

The guy at the beginning did this with Paulie in Goodfellas, only he was asking for protection. The mob was borrowing credit from the bank on the resturaunt's bill, and in the end when they couldn't borrow any more money from the bank, the guy signed the insurance thing and they burned the place down, still collecting a buck.

It's known as a "bust out." A good example can be seen in Season 2 of The Sopranos. A guy owed $60,000 in gambling debts but couldn't pay it or even make the weekly vig. So the mob became his new partners in his sporting goods store. They ordered lots of stuff on his credit and then sold it at a discount, much like they did in Goodfellas. When his credit is dried up he files for bankruptcy and the mob walks away.

Somewhat similar but a little different from what I was talking about in regards to extortion where the mob simply approaches a business and shakes them down for protection money.

With gamblers, if they have gambling debts to the mob and can't pay the vig in cash...what I've seen go down in Macedonia and I assume it's the same elsewhere is that they send a couple of those muscular enforcer guys to the guy's house and take anything that's worth the vig or even a fraction of it.

It's why gambling and loansharking go hand-in-hand for the mob. A guy can't make his gambling debts so he borrows from the loanshark to pay off the bookie. Or sometimes the bookie will simply act as the loanshark himself and juice the guy. Say the debtor has $50,000 in gambling debts. He might get charged 2% weekly interest, which is $1,000. If he can't pay that, that's where things come into play along the lines of what you are talking about. They'll try to milk him in any way they can. If he's a truck driver, he might have information on a valuable truck load of goods. If he's a stock trader, he might have inside information. If he owns a business, like I described above, they become his new partners.


Others whom are more honorable types, that don't exploit to the fullest, that have a little decency and know what addiction and poverty means, they take, keep and consider it paid off, they don't continue to demand.

Now there were some powerful businessmen in Macedonia who were the best guys to shake down...if you had the patiance and time to wait a couple of years. One was the richest man in Macedonia during the 1990's. He was a multimillionaire, but he was a chronic alcoholic and gambler. He would call his pilots in the middle of the night and make them come to the jets(the same types that are used for arrigation..or spraying against mosqitos and flies) and have a Gypsy trumpet drums type of band play music in the plane. He did alot of stupid crap...

He won a nice resturaunt in Shtip in a poker game. That resturaunt would be worth at least 5 million dollars on the American market, but that time it cost 400,000 Euros, or more like 800,000 German marks, by the local standards. That's alot of money for the local standards considering a major Socialist corperation cost 14 million German marks, or 6 million Euros, that's 9 million American dollars, that had 4800 factory workers in it's peak and produced millions of articles of clothing and shoes that were shipped off around the world and it even made clothing for the West German military and the foreign commands there, which some bosses were pissed off about because instead of saying Made in Yugoslavia, the Germans labelled it Made in West Germany and shipped it off to the PRC.

The stupid fucker got into debts and gambled away his entire multimillion dollar fortune and in the end, he was forced to sell his resturaunt for 50,000 Euros, or 80,000 American dollars.[/quote]

[crm]

Do any mobs still try and collect street taxes? Nowadays these dealers are pretty powerful. They roll with heavily armed drug crews or street gangs. I dont think any mafia family would risk trying to muscle in on the earnings of these drug crews/gangs. The mafia families have diminished in power and the drug gangs have risen in power.

[Faciulina]

Do any mobs still try and collect street taxes? Nowadays these dealers are pretty powerful. They roll with heavily armed drug crews or street gangs. I dont think any mafia family would risk trying to muscle in on the earnings of these drug crews/gangs. The mafia families have diminished in power and the drug gangs have risen in power.

the mafia can tax evertìy gang, these gangs are flexible not connected eachother and very weak the mafia is a monolitich nationwide and extremely powerful organization, anyway it depends on the zones whole new york districts like staten island are litterally in mafia hands

[thewestside]

Do any mobs still try and collect street taxes? Nowadays these dealers are pretty powerful. They roll with heavily armed drug crews or street gangs. I dont think any mafia family would risk trying to muscle in on the earnings of these drug crews/gangs. The mafia families have diminished in power and the drug gangs have risen in power.

Mob families still collect street taxes but not from street gangs. The two usually have little or nothing to do with each other. First off, there is the ethnic difference. The mob is made up of white Italian males. Street gangs are usually made up of males of various other ethnic groups. They often don't run in the same circles. Second, there is also a distinction in business. The street taxes the mob collects are more often along the lines of unaffiliated bookies and loansharks. Some drug dealers and fences as well. But people within their range of influence which doesn't tend to include all the various street gangs. A gang banger likely won't be running into a mob guy. However, if some guy starts a sports betting operation in a city where the mob has a strong presence and his business gets big enough, he very well might be getting a knock on his door. Of course, there are occasional examples of the mob and street gangs working together. For example, a few years back there was a case involving the Genovese family countefeiting money with the Latin Kings. And then there was the Lucchese smuggling drugs and cell phones into prison with the Bloods. And there was the Gambinos operating bookmaking rings with a Chinese street gang.