Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?

Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby SURAIDERO » November 23rd, 2009, 7:28 pm

Hey Menace...The Lil Cycos been collecting for like 20 years....

And when Puppet...the Carnal from ur hood...started collecting from the Cycos....the other big homies started to notice....Then in the early 90's all the big meetings started at the parques...and rules were set forth and so on.

...and the whole system of renta,,,,,where do you think alot of the organized renta was learned from?...Guys like Puppet...and his crew,,,they knew the biz...

So even when cliques of 18 pay up to Carnals from 18...they still paying....Talk to some of ur older homeboys who in they 40's n 50's...ask them.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » November 24th, 2009, 12:02 am

MENACE18 wrote:baby boy the homie that killed shaw was from ws18st alsace avenue locos,yea smiley drive gangsters were the first click that started going hard at it with bloods

5th and hill they say control the heroin trade in downtown LA,they got 5 million take from them by the cops that the cops are suppose to give to the community




I think alot of fools dont know the history with the bloods out there with the 18st and Bloods, they think the bloods were fading the 18street, but I knew a gang a fools from those clicks that got locked up for 187...on the bloods and blacks in general. They let more bloods have it then any hood outside of Tortilla Flats. That click has been known to have some terrible killers on their squad. You get fools on here pumping up the BPS but truth is 18street smiley drive shut those fools down. They had all Baldwin blacks on status. Thats probably the baddest click in 18, from what I know.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby Coup » November 24th, 2009, 12:54 pm

mayugastank wrote:
MENACE18 wrote:baby boy the homie that killed shaw was from ws18st alsace avenue locos,yea smiley drive gangsters were the first click that started going hard at it with bloods

5th and hill they say control the heroin trade in downtown LA,they got 5 million take from them by the cops that the cops are suppose to give to the community




I think alot of fools dont know the history with the bloods out there with the 18st and Bloods, they think the bloods were fading the 18street, but I knew a gang a fools from those clicks that got locked up for 187...on the bloods and blacks in general. They let more bloods have it then any hood outside of Tortilla Flats. That click has been known to have some terrible killers on their squad. You get fools on here pumping up the BPS but truth is 18street smiley drive shut those fools down. They had all Baldwin blacks on status. Thats probably the baddest click in 18, from what I know.


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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby perongregory » November 24th, 2009, 1:10 pm

Lol, that's my exact sentiments but I shut up so either you or XXX could come and drop the bizness. Lol at the hood that got kicked out the J's giving the hood who did the kicking the bidness.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby youngspade » November 24th, 2009, 9:29 pm

perongregory wrote:Lol, that's my exact sentiments but I shut up so either you or XXX could come and drop the bizness. Lol at the hood that got kicked out the J's giving the hood who did the kicking the bidness.



@ Menace, Oh my bad homie.

@ ^ Thats the true isnt it?
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby xxx » November 26th, 2009, 4:22 pm

By 1880, the popultion of Los Angeles had grown to 11,000 ad immigrants werer changing the city's make-up.

As they (Whites) dominated the government, bigotry became institional. Housing covents in white areas prohibited property sales to unapproved individuals, bascially people of color. Onstead of a blend of cultures, LA developed into a region of racial enclaves. Anglos populated the westside, Hispancis the eastside, Chinese kept Chinatown, and Blacks settled the Watts & South Central Areas.

Although contemporary lore pushes a myth that the Gangs of Los Angeles began in Mexican communities, the first gangs flared in hot spots that were a mixed bag of Irish, Russian (mainly Jewish families that fled the religious persecution of the Communinst Russion Revolution), and Mexicnas kids from Immigrant families that inhabited the poorer sections of town. It is even comprehensible that a few of the Caucasions, espeaciall the Irsish, had experience in the Gnags of New York proir to the embeakations to the west coast.

In 1904, Dogtown street gang was a mainly Irish gang led by Curly Davis, and their main rivals were long forgotten gangs from heavily Russian-Jewish Hollenbeck Heights....

Frogtown was wedged into an Irish/Mexican Shanty town on the banks of the Los Angeles River.....

Boyle Heights gang was a mixture of Irish, Italian, Russion Jewish, and Mexican Youth......


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Dude (Maga) claiming to be from East Los but from no Varrio is a wannbe Gringo that rejects his Indian Roots, he bragging on here how he looks like a white boy with green eyes, he wants to be a European Conquistador, not an Azetec Native.....
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby xxx » November 28th, 2009, 10:43 am

The town was officially founded on September 4, 1781, by a group of forty-four settlers known as "Los Pobladores". Tradition has it that on this day they were escorted by four Spanish colonial soldiers, two priests from the Mission and Governor de Neve. The town was named El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula (The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels on the Porciúncula River).[10] These pueblo settlers came from the common Hispanic culture that had emerged in northern Mexico among a racially mixed society. Two-thirds of the settlers were mestizo or mulatto, and therefore, had African and Indian ancestry. More importantly, they were intermarrying.[11] The settlement remained a small ranch town for decades, but by 1820 the population had increased to about 650 residents.[12] Today, the pueblo is commemorated in the historic district of Los Angeles Pueblo Plaza and Olvera Street, the oldest part of Los Angeles.[13]

New Spain achieved its independence from the Spanish Empire in 1821, and the pueblo continued as a part of Mexico. During Mexican rule, Governor Pío Pico, made Los Angeles Alta California's regional capital. Mexican rule ended during the Mexican–American War: Americans took control from the Californios after a series of battles, culminating with the signing of the Treaty of Cahuenga on January 13, 1847.


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Manifest Destiny reached California at the time of the Mexican-American War (1846 - 1848). On 18 June 1846 a small group of Yankees raised the California Bear Flag and declared independence from Mexico. United States troops quickly took control of the presidios at Monterey and San Francisco and proclaimed the Conquest complete. In Southern California, the Mexicans, for a time, repelled American troops, but Los Angeles eventually fell to American forces under Commodore Robert F. Stockton, General Stephen Watts Kearny, and Lieutenant-Colonel John C. Fremont.

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Under the later Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848), Mexico formally ceded Alta California and other territories to the United States and the disputed border of Texas was fixed at the Rio Grande. Pico, like nearly all the Californios, became an American citizen with full legal and voting rights. Pico later became a state senator in the California legislature.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

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Shades of Mexican

Mexicans have historically used and manipulated race to improve their social status.
By Gregory Rodriguez

September 3, 2007

E-mail Print Share Text Size In Kansas, federal officials are investigating an Indian tribe for allegedly selling tribal memberships to illegal immigrants, along with the promise that the documents will protect them from the threat of deportation. By their spokesman's own admission, the Kaweah Indian Nation has sold more than 10,000 memberships for prices starting at $50 and, according to some reports, as much as $1,200.

On one level, this is just one of many scams targeting society's most vulnerable consumers. Its success underscores how desperate many undocumented immigrants are to legitimize their status in the United States. On another, it is a powerful contemporary example of historical fact: Mexicans long have used and manipulated race to improve their social status.

Unlike in the United States, where race is understood as purely biological, in Mexico it's defined by culture and class as much as it is by DNA. An Indian, for example, is not simply someone with Indian blood, but an individual who behaves, dresses and speaks "like an Indian." Someone of wholly Indian heritage who speaks Spanish and lives according to Hispanic (as opposed to indigenous) customs would be considered mestizo, or mixed. Not surprisingly, when race is a question of culture, it is a fluid and even changeable category.

This isn't to say that race has had no social meaning in Mexican history. From the 16th to the 19th centuries, Spain imposed a hierarchical racial order in colonial Mexico, one that favored those with European heritage and lighter skin. Whites, blacks, mestizos and Indians were assigned different levels of access to property, power and prestige. But through the years, racial mixing eroded the categories and weakened that social order. As the categories loosened, upwardly mobile Mexicans gamed the system and climbed the racial ladder by creative categorization. This was most common on Mexico's northern frontier -- the contemporary American Southwest -- where government control was weak and most pioneers were mestizo. In California and Texas, settlers routinely reclassified themselves to improve their social standing. The first two census surveys of the pueblo of Los Angeles are full of instances of racial re-classification.

In 1781, a certain Jose Vanegas was classified as Indian. Nine years later, however, he is listed as a mestizo. Similarly, while the first census lists Jose Navarro as mestizo, in 1790, he has become a Spaniard instead.

Sixty years later, after the U.S. annexed Texas and conquered the Southwest, stricter boundaries went back into effect. Biology and not culture would determine caste and race. In general, the darker a person's skin color and the lower a person's status, the more vulnerable were that individual's rights. To solidify the boundaries, U.S. authorities established anti-miscegenation ordinances to discourage racial mixing.

To the extent that Mexican Americans did enjoy legal rights under the new regime, it was because the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War and extended U.S. citizenship to Mexicans in the conquered region, well before blacks, Asians and Native Americans were eligible. They weren't socially "white," but between 1850 and 1920, the U.S. Census counted ethnic Mexicans in the white column.

It makes sense, then, that for much of the 20th century, whenever Mexican Americans were kept out of certain neighborhoods or schools or kept off juries, they employed the "other white race" strategy, asserting their rights by arguing that, as whites, they were being unfairly excluded.

U.S. nativists in the late 1920s and 1930s tried to put a halt to Mexican immigration by having Mexicans (and Mexican Americans) declared non-white, by virtue of their Indian heritage. They based their strategy on a 1924 law that barred entry to immigrants who were ineligible for citizenship, and at that point, only blacks and whites, and not Asians or Native Americans, could naturalize.

The test case came in December 1935, when a Buffalo, N.Y., judge rejected Jalisco-native Timoteo Andrade's application for citizenship on the grounds that he was a "Mexican Indian." Had it not been for the intervention of the Mexican and American governments, who forced a second hearing, this precedent could very well have made most Mexicans, the majority of whom are mestizo, ineligible for citizenship.

At the first hearing, Andrade said he was 50% or 75% Indian. At the second hearing, he swore that he had since asked his mother, who assured him that it was probably less than 2%. His citizenship application was approved.

In the early 1970s, Chicano activists switched from the "other white race" to "the other minority" strategy as a way to fight discrimination. Just as whiteness once offered the best prospect of protected civil rights, the emergence of race-based policies such as affirmative action and the Voting Rights Act created incentives for them to highlight the nonwhite side of their mixed heritage.

Which brings us back to the newest members of the Kaweah Indian Nation. The tribe, which is not federally recognized, says Mexicans can belong because of their clear indigenous ancestry. And it makes sense that the Mexicans putting up the money would be willing to switch racial labels in exchange for a better status in the United States. It's tempting to say that it's a strategy that runs deep in their blood.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

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African Americans have made significant contributions to the history of Los Angeles in all areas—from the arts and culture to science, education, architecture and politics. Contrary to popular belief, the African American presence


The Pico Family
in the city did not originate from the waves of new settlers who came to the city in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Their presence and contributions to Los Angeles stem from the founding of the city in 1781, and the encounter between Mexican and United States social histories.


African Roots in Mexico
The African presence in Mexico began with the conquest of Spain by the Moors of North Africa in the eighth century. During the period of Spanish exploration and conquest of the Americas, Africans were among those who accompanied Christopher Columbus in 1492. They were also present with Hernando Cortes in 1521, during the conquest of the Aztec empire in Mexico City. Few people know that Juan Garrido, a black man, was the first to plant wheat in Mexico, or Estevanico, a black Moor, traveled with the Spanish explorer Cabeza de Vaca from Florida across the present United States Southwest, between 1528 and 1536.

Africans had begun to enter the northwestern region of Colonial Mexico by the mid 1600s. Their descendants were racially mixed by the time the colonization of Alta California had begun in the second half of the 18th century. What is more, Indians, mulatos, mestizos, and other persons of mixed caste were actually the majority population in the Mexican northwest. From this region came the original settlers of Alta California who came north with Captain Juan Bautista de Anza, between 1774 and 1776. This region also produced the original settlers of Los Angeles. Thus, contemporary scholars have come to describe this majority population of mixed African heritage as “Afro-Mexicans.” Today, it is estimated that there could be more than 500,000 Afro-Mexicans concentrated in the Mexican states of Guerrero, Oaxaca and Veracruz.


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Afro-Mexicans and the Founding of Los Angeles

The settlers or pobladores of Los Angeles came from the present northwest Mexican states of Sonora and Sinaloa and were of mixed Indian, African and European descent. This mixed racial composition was not only typical of the


Governor Pio Pico
majority of settlers of Alta California; it reflected the majority population of Sonora and Sinaloa, as well as the entire northwestern region of Colonial Mexico.

Under the new Governor of California, Felipe de Neve, El Pueblo de La Reina de Los Angeles was founded on September 4, 1781. The original forty-four pobladores were comprised of twenty-two adults and twenty-two children; of this number, twenty six were Afro-Mexicans. Many of their descendants became farmers, rancheros and prominent members of the pueblo community. Francisco Reyes, for example, served as the first alcalde (mayor) from 1792 to 1795 and was the original owner of the present-day San Fernando Valley. María Rita Valdez, a descendant of the poblador Luis Quintero, was granted the Rancho Rodeo de Aguas in 1841. She later sold the property to developers and today it comprises the City of Beverly Hills.

Pío Pico (1801-1894) is perhaps the most celebrated Afro-Mexican in California history. He was the last governor of California under Mexican rule, an owner of huge rancho properties and prominent resident of Los Angeles. His parents and grandparents came with the Anza party from Sinaloa, Mexico in 1776, where two-thirds of the residents were mulatos. His younger brother, Andrés Pico was a wealthy landowner and military commander during the Mexican era. Under United States rule he became a member of the State Constitutional Committee, General of the State Militia and California State Senator. Many other Afro-Mexicans during the Mexican and early American periods continued to make important contributions to the Pueblo of Los Angeles.

Westward Movement

The second African American influence in the early pueblo of Los Angeles came from the stream of American settlers, some of whom were former slaves, during the mid-19th century. According to the city’s 1850 census, of a total population of 1, 600, twelve were African American. Peter Biggs, a former slave, settled in Los Angeles in 1852 and became the city’s first barber, opening his popular “New Orleans Shaving Saloon” on Main Street.


Biddy Mason


During the 1850s, when proslavery sentiments ran high in the city, the Robert Owens family built a successful livery business and supplied horses and cattle to newly arriving settlers. They became the most wealthy and influential African American family in 19th century California. Biddy Mason was another luminary of the early black community. Brought to California as a slave in 1851, she won her freedom for herself and her family in a celebrated 1855 court case. Working as a nurse and midwife, she saved her earnings and became the first African American woman to own land in Los Angeles. Known for her charitable work among the poor, Mason was a respected businesswoman and leader of the African American community. In 1872, the First African Methodist Episcopal Church was organized in her home on Spring Street. Like many black Angelenos of the 19th century, Mason was fully integrated in the local culture. She spoke fluent Spanish and was a well known figure in downtown, especially at the old Plaza, where conducted business she dined on occasion at the Pico House.

As the westward movement accelerated in the late 19th century, the African American community in Los Angeles grew considerably from 102 in 1880 to 2,131 by 1900 and to more than 19,000 by 1929. By 1930 Los Angeles claimed the largest African American community on the Pacific Coast. Indeed, all of the years of struggle, bitter discrimination and achievements of the African American community, a history which began with the founding of the pueblo in 1781, were confirmed in 1973 when Thomas “Tom” Bradley, the son of Texas sharecroppers, was elected Mayor of Los Angeles.

Today, the “founders’ plaque” at El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument serves as a tribute to the African American origins of Los Angeles and an enduring hope for the future.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby youngspade » November 28th, 2009, 11:05 am

Wow thats a good find!
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby perongregory » November 28th, 2009, 2:23 pm

See this is the history I be trying to tell niggas...if more blacks knew their history most of this foolishness other races try to spit would be shut down, instead of saying "well fuck you nigga!"

And no Mexican/chicano can say oh this is our land and blacks don't belong here cuz we help settle this bitch with they ass, and that gives us as much right to this land as them...Anyway, the shit belong to the California Indians first and foremost.
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Postby xxx » November 28th, 2009, 4:44 pm

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Avery Clayton dies at 62; carried on mother's work through African American library-museum
The collection assembled by the retired art teacher's mother is a treasure trove of rare books, manuscripts, photographs, feature films and other African American artifacts.

Avery Clayton, a retired art teacher, aimed to bring his mother's extensive collection of African American artifacts to the world. (Kirk McKoy / Los Angeles Times / October 23, 2009)


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Avery Clayton, who carried on the work of his mother, Mayme Clayton, by establishing a library and museum in Culver City for her major collection of African American artifacts, died Thanksgiving Day. He was 62.

Clayton, a retired art teacher, died suddenly of unknown causes while hosting a holiday gathering at his Culver City home, said Evelyn Davis, a family spokeswoman.

The collection assembled by his mother -- a college librarian who haunted garage sales and then often packed her finds into the garage behind her humble West Adams home -- is a treasure trove of rare books, manuscripts, photographs, feature films and other ephemera.

Several scholars have called the collection one of the most important of its kind in the country. One jewel is a signed copy of the first book published by an African American, ex-slave Phillis Wheatley, in 1773.

Days before his mother died in 2006 at 83, Clayton signed a $1-a-year lease on a former courthouse in Culver City, intended as the first site of the Mayme A. Clayton Library and Museum.

"Her part was to assemble the collection," Clayton often said. "I really believe my part is to bring it to the world."

Over the last three years, he dedicated himself to raising the funds needed to open the library-museum to the public, possibly in 2010 or 2011.

Clayton also was hands on as he helped archive of "one of the largest collections of African Americana," said Sue Hodson, director of literary manuscripts at the Huntington Library in San Marino.

About a fifth of the Clayton holdings has been archived, said Leah M. Kerr, director of archives at the library-museum.

"It's everyone's hope that we will be able to continue the work," she said.

Just to move the 680 boxes shoehorned into his mother's dilapidated garage, Clayton had to raise at least $40,000 and hire a moving company that specialized in archival collections.

Since his mother acquired the pieces of black history mainly while he was growing up, many were new to him, and he "was really having a great time of discovery," Hodson said.

With Clayton, she co-curated “Central Avenue and Beyond: The Harlem Renaissance in Los Angeles,” the first major exhibition to pull from his mother's collection. It opened last month at the Huntington and will remain on display through Feb. 8.

The Clayton collection is strong in Civil War-era books and documents, and in writers of the Harlem Renaissance. Earlier this year, Clayton opened a box and found the first book of Negro spirituals in the U.S., from 1867. Clayton particularly valued the 19th century documents written by slaves and former slaves.

"Most African American history is hidden," he told The Times in 2007. "What's exciting about this is that we're going to bring it back and show that black culture is rich and varied."

Born in Los Angeles on March 17, 1947, Clayton was the eldest of three sons of Mayme Agnew Clayton and Andrew Clayton, who owned a barbershop.

His mother was the daughter of the only black merchant in Van Buren, Ark., and she grew up with an awareness of black achievements. For four decades, she prowled secondhand venues as she "saved our history," Clayton recently recalled.

As a child, he didn't pay much attention to his mother's hobby. When she would interrupt her sons' cartoon-watching to excitedly chatter about buying a book by Booker T. Washington, "we would say, 'That's nice' and go back to watching TV," he said in a recent Times interview.

As a teen, he realized "that what my mom was doing was important," and as he got older, he said that he knew he would "take up the mantle one day."

Clayton served in the Army during the Vietnam War. Upon returning home in 1967, he studied at Los Angeles City College and graduated with a bachelor's degree in art from UCLA.

In the mid-1980s, he started teaching art in public schools and also was a guidance counselor. He also painted, produced pen-and-ink drawings and distributed his own greeting cards.

That same decade, Clayton entered a rough period in his life that intensified when his father died in 1987. He temporarily lost his desire to paint.

After discovering he had congenital kidney problems, Clayton had a kidney transplant in 1999.

The result left him feeling "completely new," he recently recalled. It also led him to reconsider what he was doing with his life and, in 2002, he decided to devote himself to his mother's collection.

"He had such a dream and a vision and a passion for what he was doing," Hodson said.

"He wanted something that would reach out to everyone," she said. "He especially wanted black children to see evidence of important historic events that they might not learn about in school but that were an important part of their heritage."

Clayton is survived by his brothers, Renai and Lloyd
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Postby jdm894g » November 29th, 2009, 12:33 pm

Spit that knowledge. Those folks that are blind and do not know they history will be fooled by these surenos and racists folks talking out the side of their necks. The true history of LA is a Black and Brown thing. Don't let anyone fool you. Africans have contributed a lot of culture to the "New World" on both sides of the equator. Some this was pre-Columbian as well.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 2nd, 2009, 5:21 pm

jdm894g wrote:Spit that knowledge. Those folks that are blind and do not know they history will be fooled by these surenos and racists folks talking out the side of their necks. The true history of LA is a Black and Brown thing. Don't let anyone fool you. Africans have contributed a lot of culture to the "New World" on both sides of the equator. Some this was pre-Columbian as well.





Oh me OH MY! Have I ever EVER , denied blacks their do process? Denied their struggle? Their contributions to the WORLD, much less the USA? We are arguing on the specifics of street gangs in LA, a few articles you posted showed gangs like the Dogtowns going back till the early 1900s. I had known this for a long time. The CLOVERS, DOGTOWNS, EASTLAKE are ancient gangs---along with other ELA gangs. These gangs are the oldest gangs in Existence in AMERICA. These gangs had mixed white and chicano populaces. If you take a look at ELA chicanos we are extremely different ,even in appearance to chicanos outside of ELA. I applauded you on your research it was VERY THOROUGH. But it doesnt take away from our core argument--I am not making this a racial superiority contest. The history I know of my people is one of mixture-according to genetics we arent even a real race. Your people are one of the true racial groups-thought to exist.Your peoples history dwarfs my own by millions of years ,how can I point to a history as extensive as that,when the orignal mexicans are less then 10,ooo years old? The history of blacks will show up in every continent > AFRICANS, are the oldest race, and at one point the most numerous----its apples and oranges! Your going to have African genes everywere their are people. You cant have a people be millions of years old and millions of people strong and recluse them to a parcel of land never to touch or move beyond their borders.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 3rd, 2009, 11:49 pm

xxx wrote:Shades of Mexican

Mexicans have historically used and manipulated race to improve their social status.
By Gregory Rodriguez

September 3, 2007

E-mail Print Share Text Size In Kansas, federal officials are investigating an Indian tribe for allegedly selling tribal memberships to illegal immigrants, along with the promise that the documents will protect them from the threat of deportation. By their spokesman's own admission, the Kaweah Indian Nation has sold more than 10,000 memberships for prices starting at $50 and, according to some reports, as much as $1,200.

On one level, this is just one of many scams targeting society's most vulnerable consumers. Its success underscores how desperate many undocumented immigrants are to legitimize their status in the United States. On another, it is a powerful contemporary example of historical fact: Mexicans long have used and manipulated race to improve their social status.

Unlike in the United States, where race is understood as purely biological, in Mexico it's defined by culture and class as much as it is by DNA. An Indian, for example, is not simply someone with Indian blood, but an individual who behaves, dresses and speaks "like an Indian." Someone of wholly Indian heritage who speaks Spanish and lives according to Hispanic (as opposed to indigenous) customs would be considered mestizo, or mixed. Not surprisingly, when race is a question of culture, it is a fluid and even changeable category.

This isn't to say that race has had no social meaning in Mexican history. From the 16th to the 19th centuries, Spain imposed a hierarchical racial order in colonial Mexico, one that favored those with European heritage and lighter skin. Whites, blacks, mestizos and Indians were assigned different levels of access to property, power and prestige. But through the years, racial mixing eroded the categories and weakened that social order. As the categories loosened, upwardly mobile Mexicans gamed the system and climbed the racial ladder by creative categorization. This was most common on Mexico's northern frontier -- the contemporary American Southwest -- where government control was weak and most pioneers were mestizo. In California and Texas, settlers routinely reclassified themselves to improve their social standing. The first two census surveys of the pueblo of Los Angeles are full of instances of racial re-classification.

In 1781, a certain Jose Vanegas was classified as Indian. Nine years later, however, he is listed as a mestizo. Similarly, while the first census lists Jose Navarro as mestizo, in 1790, he has become a Spaniard instead.

Sixty years later, after the U.S. annexed Texas and conquered the Southwest, stricter boundaries went back into effect. Biology and not culture would determine caste and race. In general, the darker a person's skin color and the lower a person's status, the more vulnerable were that individual's rights. To solidify the boundaries, U.S. authorities established anti-miscegenation ordinances to discourage racial mixing.

To the extent that Mexican Americans did enjoy legal rights under the new regime, it was because the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War and extended U.S. citizenship to Mexicans in the conquered region, well before blacks, Asians and Native Americans were eligible. They weren't socially "white," but between 1850 and 1920, the U.S. Census counted ethnic Mexicans in the white column.

It makes sense, then, that for much of the 20th century, whenever Mexican Americans were kept out of certain neighborhoods or schools or kept off juries, they employed the "other white race" strategy, asserting their rights by arguing that, as whites, they were being unfairly excluded.

U.S. nativists in the late 1920s and 1930s tried to put a halt to Mexican immigration by having Mexicans (and Mexican Americans) declared non-white, by virtue of their Indian heritage. They based their strategy on a 1924 law that barred entry to immigrants who were ineligible for citizenship, and at that point, only blacks and whites, and not Asians or Native Americans, could naturalize.

The test case came in December 1935, when a Buffalo, N.Y., judge rejected Jalisco-native Timoteo Andrade's application for citizenship on the grounds that he was a "Mexican Indian." Had it not been for the intervention of the Mexican and American governments, who forced a second hearing, this precedent could very well have made most Mexicans, the majority of whom are mestizo, ineligible for citizenship.

At the first hearing, Andrade said he was 50% or 75% Indian. At the second hearing, he swore that he had since asked his mother, who assured him that it was probably less than 2%. His citizenship application was approved.

In the early 1970s, Chicano activists switched from the "other white race" to "the other minority" strategy as a way to fight discrimination. Just as whiteness once offered the best prospect of protected civil rights, the emergence of race-based policies such as affirmative action and the Voting Rights Act created incentives for them to highlight the nonwhite side of their mixed heritage.

Which brings us back to the newest members of the Kaweah Indian Nation. The tribe, which is not federally recognized, says Mexicans can belong because of their clear indigenous ancestry. And it makes sense that the Mexicans putting up the money would be willing to switch racial labels in exchange for a better status in the United States. It's tempting to say that it's a strategy that runs deep in their blood.







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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby Tre » December 5th, 2009, 6:41 am

mayugastank wrote:MAN get outta here with teh black man invented the internet, if you want to start nameing shit people invented , next time you eat a choloate bar, say thanks to the AZTECS. Every bit of soul food blacks have is from the white man. Their wasnt corn in Africa, to make biscuits, Potatoes are originally from outside of Africa, so no mash potatoes. I dont think chickens are part of original Africans diet so no fried chicken. And your speaking ENGLISH so why dont you bang on your congo drums if you need to communicate with me>>>>SUCKER. Your freaking petty , we are getting into MODERN AMERICAN gangs and spefically ELA gangs.

You a funny dude Mayuga, you got post after post mis-educating folks on black gang culture and people. But as soon as XXX writes a few lines to correct your misinformation, you want to say he’s getting off topic… LOL. Mayuga every time you open your mouth about black folks its off-topic!

Do Blacks dispute that the Mexica (Mexicans) originated LA gang culture?

Originate means something new, and many of us already know there’s nothing new under the sun! If anything you are recycling shit that Africans=blacks in the past has taught you! Culture is simply taught behavior (made-up shit).
It’s like if I shit behind a tree and you shit on a toilet and just because you are sitting on a toilet you think your shit is something unique… original!
It’s really not! The only thing that’s changed is your perspective, the way you chose to see things (shit).
…. And that’s kind’ve how I see this topic…

Exactly what is new, original about ransacking dead niggaz homes, sacred grounds, temples and promoting their shit as your own??

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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 5th, 2009, 8:27 pm

jdm894g wrote:Spit that knowledge. Those folks that are blind and do not know they history will be fooled by these surenos and racists folks talking out the side of their necks. The true history of LA is a Black and Brown thing. Don't let anyone fool you. Africans have contributed a lot of culture to the "New World" on both sides of the equator. Some this was pre-Columbian as well.





I have gone over and over the same things . I have been watching gangland and can see first hand how blacks in other parts of the USA , have gangs that dont resemble the crips and bloods at all. Their arent any black gangs in LOUISIANA. A black city! ATL.NYC.THE ENTIRE SOUTH?????Nothing similiar to what gang life is in LA???? and only in LA do cholos and black gangsters resemble eachother in dress and style and form?GOTTI BOYZ in New Orleans a city that is split black. NO COLORS <NO TATTOES like the brothas get out here in LA. No graffiti like the type out here. ATL biggest gangs are the crips and bloods . An LA gang ! even though it was named the chocolate city. 90% of all blacks lived in the SOUTH prior to world war 2. And nothing similiar to the gang style and life of LA blacks?? YOU GUYS ARE NEW BOOTYS!! we outlive you by 50 years , your oldest gangs , arent even older then our newest gangs! Your style in LA was a copy of everything we did! NOWHERE ELSE IN AMERICA, do blacks have the style and demeanor of the gangs of LA. So WHAT DOES IT ALL SAY??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? BLACKS COPIED BROWNS IN LA. We have similiar style of gangs in every southwestern state. The cholo style and artform is lived in all states with a hispanic/chicano presence. 38 million blacks in America, 500k in LOS ANGELES. And only in LA do we hold such similarities with black gangsters. NORTH CAROLINA a black state going back to the first Africans to land in America and they didnt even have a gang problem till 2004!2004! YEt blacks have been living their since slavery?! Guess who their new gang problem is ?? CRIPS AND BLOODS! An LA gang that got their style from CHICANOS. NEW YORK CITY>>> No gang problem?! Their arent even gangs there! The have declared the gang problem over in NYC and it only lasted under 20 years. EVERY BLACK GANG IN AMERICA---is on its last legs except for the crips and bloods. Black gangs have no history--black gangs come and go ! HERE TODAY GONE TOMORROW. EAST LA home of the oldest gangs in AMERICA. EAST LA has a dozen gangs that are pushing a 100 years old! NOT ONE GANG IN THE ENTIRE BLACK AMERICA with that much history. and only in LOs Angelso do we dress the same, have the same nicknames, tattoo the same. Talk and use alot of the same slang. Write on the walls the same. ISNT IT OBVIOUS?? YOU GUYS ARE BITERS! What we should you how to do , all black America thinks is cool. The caligraphy, back pieces, shots on the head, the dickies ,charlie browns. GET YOUR OWN SHIT! Everytime I turn the tube on and watch a show on black gangs outside of LA they are a joke. 20 men strong and on their last legs. Recent arrivals. MISSISSIPPI- no black gangs. SC...Nothing....HARLEM FREAKING HARLEM????????????Nothing like the style that we taught you until just recently when blacks from LA went out their and took the style of ELA chicanos to the streets of BLACK AMERICAS LARGEST POPULATION! I am so sick of you delirous fools, biting fronting and hijacking our stilo. Then turning around and saying you started it!! YOu fools got some NERVE~
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby youngspade » December 5th, 2009, 8:40 pm

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jdm894g wrote:Spit that knowledge. Those folks that are blind and do not know they history will be fooled by these surenos and racists folks talking out the side of their necks. The true history of LA is a Black and Brown thing. Don't let anyone fool you. Africans have contributed a lot of culture to the "New World" on both sides of the equator. Some this was pre-Columbian as well.





I have gone over and over the same things . I have been watching gangland and can see first hand how blacks in other parts of the USA , have gangs that dont resemble the crips and bloods at all. Their arent any black gangs in LOUISIANA. A black city! ATL.NYC.THE ENTIRE SOUTH?????Nothing similiar to what gang life is in LA???? and only in LA do cholos and black gangsters resemble eachother in dress and style and form?GOTTI BOYZ in New Orleans a city that is split black. NO COLORS <NO TATTOES like the brothas get out here in LA. No graffiti like the type out here. ATL biggest gangs are the crips and bloods . An LA gang ! even though it was named the chocolate city. 90% of all blacks lived in the SOUTH prior to world war 2. And nothing similiar to the gang style and life of LA blacks?? YOU GUYS ARE NEW BOOTYS!! we outlive you by 50 years , your oldest gangs , arent even older then our newest gangs! Your style in LA was a copy of everything we did! NOWHERE ELSE IN AMERICA, do blacks have the style and demeanor of the gangs of LA. So WHAT DOES IT ALL SAY??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? BLACKS COPIED BROWNS IN LA. We have similiar style of gangs in every southwestern state. The cholo style and artform is lived in all states with a hispanic/chicano presence. 38 million blacks in America, 500k in LOS ANGELES. And only in LA do we hold such similarities with black gangsters. NORTH CAROLINA a black state going back to the first Africans to land in America and they didnt even have a gang problem till 2004!2004! YEt blacks have been living their since slavery?! Guess who their new gang problem is ?? CRIPS AND BLOODS! An LA gang that got their style from CHICANOS. NEW YORK CITY>>> No gang problem?! Their arent even gangs there! The have declared the gang problem over in NYC and it only lasted under 20 years. EVERY BLACK GANG IN AMERICA---is on its last legs except for the crips and bloods. Black gangs have no history--black gangs come and go ! HERE TODAY GONE TOMORROW. EAST LA home of the oldest gangs in AMERICA. EAST LA has a dozen gangs that are pushing a 100 years old! NOT ONE GANG IN THE ENTIRE BLACK AMERICA with that much history. and only in LOs Angelso do we dress the same, have the same nicknames, tattoo the same. Talk and use alot of the same slang. Write on the walls the same. ISNT IT OBVIOUS?? YOU GUYS ARE BITERS! What we should you how to do , all black America thinks is cool. The caligraphy, back pieces, shots on the head, the dickies ,charlie browns. GET YOUR OWN SHIT! Everytime I turn the tube on and watch a show on black gangs outside of LA they are a joke. 20 men strong and on their last legs. Recent arrivals. MISSISSIPPI- no black gangs. SC...Nothing....HARLEM FREAKING HARLEM????????????Nothing like the style that we taught you until just recently when blacks from LA went out their and took the style of ELA chicanos to the streets of BLACK AMERICAS LARGEST POPULATION! I am so sick of you delirous fools, biting fronting and hijacking our stilo. Then turning around and saying you started it!! YOu fools got some NERVE~



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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby perongregory » December 5th, 2009, 8:41 pm

You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby youngspade » December 5th, 2009, 8:44 pm

perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.



This is very much true, I lived in Lousiana for a year, I even got locked up in OPP.....it was 300 blacks and 3 mexicans, one was from PLAYBOYS. Only people they said are tyrnna move in was MSx3 and those guerrilla ass nuggas aint having nothing FROM anywhere else but LOUSIANA. They arent influenced by NO ELA characters lol! If anything, they influenced there own gang culture!
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 5th, 2009, 9:10 pm

perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.




WELL I am tired of your fake fronting ass red and blue biting ass dickie wearing ,gang sign flashing , tatted like a mexican, here today gone tomorrow, no history having ,new booty chaffing, trying to be like us and ruining the shit buster ass ---down for it today and dont care about it tomorrow. 20 dead in one year gang banging , then dropping the gang to do more important shit even though the year before it was important enough to kill 20 ni99as for FAKE NO SENSE HAVING --4 corna blokk, sousthide pimps, killing every brotha in the hood for a gang you gonna drop in 5 years anyway ass PHONY ASS CANT DO IT LIKE US >>>GET YOUR NEW BOOTY ASS OUTTA HERE--go rap or something--cuz it aint made for you wanksters---20 year old gangs thinking you got history freaking buster ass fools
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby perongregory » December 5th, 2009, 9:16 pm

Lol then give us all our shit back, guess yall all would be some sombrero wearing modern day gangsters...no zoot suits to inform the cholo, all calo with some weak ass white style of speaking, no hip hop grafitti, no oldies or rap to bump just that polka shit, etc., not going anywhere just being stuck in 1968 that's cool with me...cuz gang culture aint our only culture, sad u wanna reduce ur people to that.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby youngspade » December 5th, 2009, 9:23 pm

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perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.




WELL I am tired of your fake fronting ass red and blue biting ass dickie wearing ,gang sign flashing , tatted like a mexican, here today gone tomorrow, no history having ,new booty chaffing, trying to be like us and ruining the shit buster ass ---down for it today and dont care about it tomorrow. 20 dead in one year gang banging , then dropping the gang to do more important shit even though the year before it was important enough to kill 20 ni99as for FAKE NO SENSE HAVING --4 corna blokk, sousthide pimps, killing every brotha in the hood for a gang you gonna drop in 5 years anyway ass PHONY ASS CANT DO IT LIKE US >>>GET YOUR NEW BOOTY ASS OUTTA HERE--go rap or something--because it aint made for you wanksters---20 year old gangs thinking you got history freaking buster ass fools


Nigga shutup, you act like MEXICANS wasnt get punked and slapp up. When those gangs in ELA were formed you guys was still dressing like PAISA's and getting beatup. You guys were even on THE SCENE as a threat until the LATE 60s STFU GTFO. First off you keep saying DOGTOWN like Irish and Italian kids didnt start it LOL..........PLEASE HOMIE. You guys are the ones acting all hard and shit BUT YALL CLICKD UP WITH AB to try and stop "US ROOKIE" black gangs lol STFU yall niggaz is lame especially YOU for thinking otherwise. You can talk and scream for all I care, THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I EVEN RESPOND to your posts EVER. So go ahead, call me this, call me that, but YOU MR. are LAME ASS FUCK!
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 5th, 2009, 11:15 pm

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perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.




WELL I am tired of your fake fronting ass red and blue biting ass dickie wearing ,gang sign flashing , tatted like a mexican, here today gone tomorrow, no history having ,new booty chaffing, trying to be like us and ruining the shit buster ass ---down for it today and dont care about it tomorrow. 20 dead in one year gang banging , then dropping the gang to do more important shit even though the year before it was important enough to kill 20 ni99as for FAKE NO SENSE HAVING --4 corna blokk, sousthide pimps, killing every brotha in the hood for a gang you gonna drop in 5 years anyway ass PHONY ASS CANT DO IT LIKE US >>>GET YOUR NEW BOOTY ASS OUTTA HERE--go rap or something--because it aint made for you wanksters---20 year old gangs thinking you got history freaking buster ass fools


Nigga shutup, you act like MEXICANS wasnt get punked and slapp up. When those gangs in ELA were formed you guys was still dressing like PAISA's and getting beatup. You guys were even on THE SCENE as a threat until the LATE 60s STFU GTFO. First off you keep saying DOGTOWN like Irish and Italian kids didnt start it LOL..........PLEASE HOMIE. You guys are the ones acting all hard and shit BUT YALL CLICKD UP WITH AB to try and stop "US ROOKIE" black gangs lol STFU yall niggaz is lame especially YOU for thinking otherwise. You can talk and scream for all I care, THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I EVEN RESPOND to your posts EVER. So go ahead, call me this, call me that, but YOU MR. are LAME ASS fu--!





LETS GET REAL THEN LOCs'(HAHA!) The AB is women for the EME. They clicked up cause at one point you were either black or white in the system and chicanos chose to go with the whites! the history is historic ,ancient and goes back to the race wars with white and blacks and mexicans in the california penal system back in the 70s.The truth is a sad one but true,(COLONIAL EUROPEAN OPPRESSION) their are many Mexicans who are white. Most mexicans have an extended family member who is white. In my own it is my Grandfather, Aunts and cousins. Many of us are descendants of spainards who are white. I myself get confused for white/italian all the time. NOW IRREGARDLESS of how many posts you post on the history of AFROMEXICANS, the number 500,000 is a small segment of the 90 million mexicans in mexico. The percent of white mexicans numbers up to 15%. FAR SURPASSING the black mexicans!When you look at issues of race it usually boils down to who you have some type of commonness with for whatever reason chicanos ESPECIALLY in ELA have chosen their closet counterparts(although still removed)white caucasians. TAke a trip to historic latino citys BOYLE HEIGHTS_LINCOLN HEIGHTS_MONTEBELLO_WHITTIER. Are you going to tell me that a good percent of the mexicans around here arent mexican in name only? The facial structure-skin tone is all european! When you say that mexicans hooked up with whites you arent seeing the racial dynamics of a caste system going back 300+ years or more. Mexicans are a mixture of white and native ancestry. The constant point out of the AFROMEXICAN roots is minute considering the small number of AFROMEXICANS.Trying to stop the blacks had nothing to do with the the alliances formed in prisons. Look at the white gangs in there and tell me they arent a bite off the chicanos bandwagon? NAZI_LOW _RIDERS. PUBLIC ENEMY_OC WOODS_ on and on. These guys look and act like chicanos even though they are white power organizations. The creasing up the bald heads the tatts. I mean seriously how can you be a NAZI and a LOW RIDER at the same time? Doesnt it tell you something that this group was the 2nd most dominant white group in California after the aryan brotherhood.Who if you like I can post a dozen links showing you how they did the Mexican MAfias bidding.I have stated over and over ,how the entire white culture oustide of PREPPYS , are a big gigantic bite off of california style whites. And how those whites took style from chicanos.FOX_FAMILY-F_HOLLISTER_MONGOLS_VAGOS_BANDIDOS_ on and on and on. If you want to get more specific and more in depth I can point to major disturbances and core issues were ELA showed how removed they were from the rest of the immigrant population in Los Angelos. A look at the riot of 92' shows that the entire ELA ,heavily chicano neighborhoods were some of the only parts of LA that didnt explode in violence.SO what does this mean? For whatever reason the physcological tests of ELA chicanos showed them to be very angry at the rioters for attacking whites. I dont think your seeing things clearly-our minds are holding the depths of an ocean when you by instinct notice race as the first thing when seeing someone. It is immediate and reflexive--something that however hard you try you have no control over.MORE TO COME LATERZ
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby xxx » December 6th, 2009, 1:43 pm

perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.


Shreveport Louisanna is Little L.A

They have all L.A sets and they get it Crackn, high Homicide Rate on Straight Gang Shit.

Fort Worth & Dallas Texas have L.A Sets, same shit.

St Louis, Seattle, Portland, the list goes on.

This dude is doing major internet research, ive been to these towns, im well traveled, so for him to state his BS as facts just puts a spot light on his True Nature/Motive/character....

He is a Racist Propagandist with self esteem problems.

He's a Mexican that looks like a Whiteboy, so he has to pound his chest like King Kong for the Raza, so he can feel true and excepted by the Raza.

He grew up be disrespected cause he looks like a whiteboy with blond hair and green eyes.

you notice he gives the Aryans props, he's a confused angry dude that must of been a victim at the hands of a nigga, makes no other sense why his hatred is so raw and directed at Blacks...
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Postby xxx » December 6th, 2009, 2:16 pm

They weren't socially "white," but between 1850 and 1920, the U.S. Census counted ethnic Mexicans in the white column.

It makes sense, then, that for much of the 20th century, whenever Mexican Americans were kept out of certain neighborhoods or schools or kept off juries, they employed the "other white race" strategy, asserting their rights by arguing that, as whites, they were being unfairly excluded.




Most mexicans have an extended family member who is white. In my own it is my Grandfather, Aunts and cousins. Many of us are descendants of spainards who are white. I myself get confused for white/italian all the time.




When you look at issues of race it usually boils down to who you have some type of commonness with for whatever reason chicanos ESPECIALLY in ELA have chosen their closet counterparts(although still removed)white caucasians. TAke a trip to historic latino citys BOYLE HEIGHTS_LINCOLN HEIGHTS_MONTEBELLO_WHITTIER. Are you going to tell me that a good percent of the mexicans around here arent mexican in name only? The facial structure-skin tone is all european! When you say that mexicans hooked up with whites you arent seeing the racial dynamics of a caste system going back 300+ years or more.


Look at this confused dude, he is trying his hardest to join whites and Mexicans LOL.

Do your reserach on Prop 187 and tell us how much Whites love Mexicans!

Blacks dominated the Population in the 1970's and a better part of the 1980's in the California Prison System.

The Whiteboys had no other choice but to side with the Mexicans for survival.

Ask anyobdy that did time in the County Jail in the 1970's to 1990's how whiteboys got treated by Blacks and Mexicans.

And These same Whiteboys, on the Streets, hate the fact that California is turning into an extended State of Mexico.

Dont get it twisted, it aint a love affair like this Fake Vato is trying to but it, it was Political and strategy of Survival.

Now the tables have turned and the Hispanic , i wont even say Mexican, becuase the population in there is Paisas from Central America and Mexico, the Chicnao Gangs /Surenos have pulled Paisas, Whites under there umbrella for numbers...




Ask them how the County Jail was Ran between the 1970's to 1990's when Mexicans werent the dominate in numbers.

Its all a Numbers game, and the Blacks ended up losing that game, thats it, thats all.

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This Fake Vato has an identity crisis going on in his head, so he is making up BS reasons, why this is that...

The Mexicans in East L.A didnt get envolved in the 92 Riots becasue it wasnt there Issue, they had no emotion connection to a nigga getting his ass woop by Police, had NOTHING to do with them having feelings for Whites, this dude is Crazy!



Do you think Niggas would have Rioted in South Central L.A if a Vato in East Los got his ass whooped by the Police?
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 6th, 2009, 9:42 pm

xxx wrote:
perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.


Shreveport Louisanna is Little L.A

They have all L.A sets and they get it Crackn, high Homicide Rate on Straight Gang Shit.

Fort Worth & Dallas Texas have L.A Sets, same shit.

St Louis, Seattle, Portland, the list goes on.

This dude is doing major internet research, ive been to these towns, im well traveled, so for him to state his BS as facts just puts a spot light on his True Nature/Motive/character....

He is a Racist Propagandist with self esteem problems.

He's a Mexican that looks like a Whiteboy, so he has to pound his chest like King Kong for the Raza, so he can feel true and excepted by the Raza.

He grew up be disrespected cause he looks like a whiteboy with blond hair and green eyes.

you notice he gives the Aryans props, he's a confused angry dude that must of been a victim at the hands of a nigga, makes no other sense why his hatred is so raw and directed at Blacks...







BLONDE HAIR??hahaha!!you are confused my ninja. I have coolored eyes. And THE RAZA didnt have an inch of problem with how I looked.I am tan skinned . Not white. For whatever its worth white women and mexican women have always been on me, in big numbers so obviously they didnt think I was a sellout. Maybe, the white girls just loved the tan skin , white facial features, and spanish background.Because even in high school I remember TAs from LAguna Beach and other white spots going nutso over this vato! Oh and the sistas 2 always would talk about how fine FOEK was! so dont be a hater cuz your cornrolls keeping you stuck to a certain class of female.Another thing I dont want to be racist but I really cant stand whites. I dont have issues with blacks . I believe them to be less naivaite then most when it comes to racial issues and seeing things clearly. I actually like them-at least if a ninja has a problem he'll let me know to my face and not go tell on me. When I commented on the alliances with whites and latinos --I commented on how it is, how I see it. I dont agree with it and believe surenos to be so mistaken in their selection of friendships. Actually kind of ignorant to make a friendship with the same people who put your ass in their. PLEASE BEAT MY ASS< MAKE UP TRUMPED UP CHARGES AGAINST ME< LOCK ME UP FOR LIFE, WITH NO EVIDENCE. When your done doing this to me , do you think youd like to be my boyfriend?? Thats how surenos roll!! Dont get it twisted vato. I clearly said how whites chose latinos as allies to survive. But their is deeper ,racial issues. I know for my personal account , seeing white boys getting smashed during the LA riots really shocked me as I saw my family members who look white in those faces. iT is a natural reaction to relate to those you resemble. Or are you going to tell me the poverty in HAITI or BRAZIL is of no consequence to most blacks even though those countries have huge populations of AFRICAN descendants.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 6th, 2009, 10:16 pm

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perongregory wrote:You've got some nerve fool! Everyone's tired of your bitch ass, biased onesided lying ass, no research fairytales...everyone from black to chicano, from banger to square, from norte to blood has disproved your BS yet you still here lying, throwing hissyfits. Take thata shit to some young surs who need to be indoctrinated to feel niggers aint shit, otherwise the real mufuckas gon check in with facts. hmmmph Louisiana dont rock colors...muthafucka they been wearin red and blue to denote uptown folks from downtown...you don't know shit, step outta east los.


Shreveport Louisanna is Little L.A

They have all L.A sets and they get it Crackn, high Homicide Rate on Straight Gang Shit.

Fort Worth & Dallas Texas have L.A Sets, same shit.

St Louis, Seattle, Portland, the list goes on.

This dude is doing major internet research, ive been to these towns, im well traveled, so for him to state his BS as facts just puts a spot light on his True Nature/Motive/character....

He is a Racist Propagandist with self esteem problems.

He's a Mexican that looks like a Whiteboy, so he has to pound his chest like King Kong for the Raza, so he can feel true and excepted by the Raza.

He grew up be disrespected cause he looks like a whiteboy with blond hair and green eyes.

you notice he gives the Aryans props, he's a confused angry dude that must of been a victim at the hands of a nigga, makes no other sense why his hatred is so raw and directed at Blacks...













YOUR ABOVE POSTS make my case completely. You named quite a few citys with blood and crips. Do you dispute that the C and Bs started in Los Angeles? I am saying that Lousiana, and places in the South have alot more black history then LA. And larger populations then LA of blacks . The soouth is the historic home to African Americans. YET despite this, they didnt have anything similiar to the Crips and Bloods and had to copy the style of LA gangster culture to have their own gang problems. I saw a documentary on NCarolinas gang problem and all of it was LAs crips and bloods. It just seems icomprehensible that histric black citys would actually work in reverse and copy west coast state gangs despite hundreds of years and millions more black in these areas. The latin kings have real similiar gang structures to teh BGD and FOLKS and shit. And they Latin KIngs started before BGD and others. The crips and bloods have similiar gang structures to ELA chicanos. DONT YOU SEE YOUR PEOPLE COPY? In the midwest they adopted the styles of Puerto Rican Gangs, in the West the style of ELA. NATIONS -FOLKS -PEOPLES......etc etc. IN NEw York the style of Italian crews. Do your own thing is what I am saying , quit taking others shit then putting it on BET like you started it.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby perongregory » December 6th, 2009, 10:23 pm

There you go with the same faulty info again, what do you know about chicago? Nothing. BGD wasn't even the first black gang in chi nor was the latin kings the first latin gang, but to further your interest you take the BGD and the LK, and say blacks copied them. Plus you don't say shit about the mexican mafia sucking costra nostra dick for their blueprint. Tell you the truth all minorities banging are copying ethnic whites, especially the ones that used to live in ELA and fight mexicans so where mexicans had to form their own gangs.

Now, do you dispute that mexicans have stolen their gang culture from white ethnics?
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 7th, 2009, 12:05 am

perongregory wrote:There you go with the same faulty info again, what do you know about chicago? Nothing. BGD wasn't even the first black gang in chi nor was the latin kings the first latin gang, but to further your interest you take the BGD and the LK, and say blacks copied them. Plus you don't say shit about the mexican mafia sucking costra nostra dick for their blueprint. Tell you the truth all minorities banging are copying ethnic whites, especially the ones that used to live in ELA and fight mexicans so where mexicans had to form their own gangs.

Now, do you dispute that mexicans have stolen their gang culture from white ethnics?



yes I do ........the oldest gangs were started in ELA and although chinese and blacks and others werent allowed in many many originally white sets had mexicans from the gate. The dogtowns founder was "well known to keep the company of mexicans" as stated in the article I found. So what does this mean? The original gang , LA VICTORIA< SOMBRA LOCOS>HAZARD these gang were named in spanish and had spanish members . The Dogtown gang as shown above in the article by xxx, had original membership that was latino/chicano. So did it fade away like the bloodgettes?gladiators ,businessmen? HELL NO! It was named in one of the FEDERAL GANG INJUNCTIONS OF 2004. So unless their was wide spread media coverage in a time were very few families had radios, their isnt much gangs on the WEST COAST would know of EAST COAST ethnic white gangs. The vast majority of california whites came from Midwest states at the time of scarce farming and land pollution created by over farming and abuse of land. This time period is known as the dust bowl.These were not whites from Chicago and NYC . Places with established gangs. What I know of chicago I stated above. Blacks and LAtinos have much of the same structure caling themselves NATION THIS AND THAT and having constitutions. Somthing gangs out here dont do. Why is it that anywere Latinos and Blacks coabide our gangs and style start to resemble eachother? And time and time again a little investigating will show you that the originators are latin. Then the blacks catch on and start naming ,dressing, signaling and doing much of what they see. Nothing original.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 7th, 2009, 12:09 am

perongregory wrote:There you go with the same faulty info again, what do you know about chicago? Nothing. BGD wasn't even the first black gang in chi nor was the latin kings the first latin gang, but to further your interest you take the BGD and the LK, and say blacks copied them. Plus you don't say shit about the mexican mafia sucking costra nostra dick for their blueprint. Tell you the truth all minorities banging are copying ethnic whites, especially the ones that used to live in ELA and fight mexicans so where mexicans had to form their own gangs.

Now, do you dispute that mexicans have stolen their gang culture from white ethnics?



NOW do you dispute that BGD and FOLKS and whoever the hell --didnt start some 25 years after the KINGS? and that the BGDs and BPS dont use everything that the kings use? down to their street names? COINCIDENCE again I suppose. Just like how the Crips and Bloods just happened to pick up the same styles of LAs chicano population!(ROLLS EYES)






The Almighty Latin Kings first emerged in Chicago in the 1940s after several young Puerto Rican males organized into a self-defense group to protect their community and to unite all Latinos into a collective struggle against "oppression"[3]. Their goal was to help each other overcome the problems of racism and prejudice that newly arriving Puerto Rican and Mexican immigrants were experiencing and to serve as a vanguard for their communities.

Like the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, and so many other groups that struggled for political empowerment, the Latin Kings were broken as a movement [4]. They lost touch with their roots and grew into one of the largest and most infamous criminal gangs in America. The group's members became involved in crimes including murder, drug trafficking, robberies and other organized criminal activities.

Violence is the hallmark of the Latin Kings. In their beginnings, when they were not great in size, their brutal history and propensity for violence distinguished them from other Latino gangs in Chicago, making them equal players with the larger Black "Super Gangs", such as the Gangster Disciples, the Almighty Vice Lord Nation and the Black P. Stones. They also played an equal role in the formation of the People Nation. In recent times, the Almighty Latin King and Queen Nation has grown to be the second largest gang in size and has hitherto been recognized as the most violent street gang in the Chicagoland area—-the Gangster Disciples being the largest.
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Re: Do Blacks dispute that Mexicans originated LA gang culture??

Postby mayugastank » December 7th, 2009, 12:19 am

perongregory wrote:There you go with the same faulty info again, what do you know about chicago? Nothing. BGD wasn't even the first black gang in chi nor was the latin kings the first latin gang, but to further your interest you take the BGD and the LK, and say blacks copied them. Plus you don't say shit about the mexican mafia sucking costra nostra dick for their blueprint. Tell you the truth all minorities banging are copying ethnic whites, especially the ones that used to live in ELA and fight mexicans so where mexicans had to form their own gangs.

Now, do you dispute that mexicans have stolen their gang culture from white ethnics?



The Black Gangster Disciple Nation was formed on the South-side of Chicago in the late 1960s, by David Barksdale, leader of the Gonzanto Disciples, and Larry Hoover, leader of the Supreme Disciples. The two groups united to form the Black Gangster Disciple Nation (BGDN).[1]



In 1958, the Vice Lords "club" was founded by several African-American, Caucassians, and Puerto Rican youths originally from the North Lawndale neighborhood of Chicago. These youths met while incarcerated in the Illinois State Training School for Boys in St. Charles (also known as the St. Charles Juvenile Correctional Facility). At the time, they were led by founding member Edward "Pepalo" Perry.[2] The name is taken from the dictionary definition of "vice", meaning "to have a tight hold".[2]



The ABPSN was originally founded in 1958 as the Black Stone Rangers in St. Charles Institution for troubled youth by Jeff Fort and Eugene Hairston as a community organization for Black youth in the Woodlawn area of South Chicago to fight against White street gangs








So lets see now all chicago nations and peoples got their ideas from a puerto rican gang ................that started 20 plus years before them? now we are arguing originations here arent we? or did we jsut switch the conversation
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