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I enjoy it coup/....but he is acting like a homo riding my ass. If he wants to ride let him ride the investigative reporters and FBI who time and time again -have extradited EME members hiding in Mexico -with help form the Arellanos and their connects to SD sureno varrios. The last guy TORO HERNANDEZ who caught a case in the valley was caught up in TJ -hiding with another well known hitman from the Arellanos. Another thing --Popeye BArron was related to teh Arellanos-so not only do they work together -thru him they had blood relations. GUSTAVO is an EME member. 100% verifiable he was present at the videotaped meetings on 2 occasions that brought down the EME in the mid 90s. I dont get this guy. HE hasnt touched on POPEYE ARAUJO who POPEYE BARRON was named after. POPEYE ARAUJO was just caught in 2008. HE IS A WELL KNOWN EME SOLDADO. PERIOD. If he is saying no connections exist well now that is just wrong. If he is saying no big murders were committed well that is just lunacy.....

FAMOUS EME HITS IN MEXICO.

THE CARDINAL

BLANCOCORNELAS--a murder discussed ALL OVER THE WORLD --for its affect on journalism
SEVERAL POLICE CAPTAINS AND POLICE OFFICERS
SEVERAL ARMY NATIONAL GUARDSMEN
SEVERAL BIG TIME ADVERSARIES TO THE ARELLANOS.......
MORE TO COME............

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Mexico arrests cartel member with ties to shooting
New York, March 17, 2008—Mexican federal police arrested a member of the Arellano Félix drug cartel on Saturday on suspicion of involvement in the 1997 shooting of Zeta Editor Jesús J. Blancornelas.

Federal police officers arrested Saúl Montes de Oca Morlett in the tourist city of San Felipe, Baja California, as he was getting ready to participate in a car race, according to a statement issued by the federal Secretary of Public Security. Montes de Oca, known as “El Ciego” (The Blind Man), was wanted for drug trafficking and kidnapping. Police also believe he was involved in the attack on Blancornelas, founder and editor of the weekly Tijuana-based magazine Zeta,the statement said. The editor survived the shooting, but was gravely wounded.

“We are monitoring the progress of the case against Sául Montes de Oca Morlett and look forward to having the opportunity to review the evidence against him,” said CPJ Executive Director Joel Simon.

Montes de Oca has not publicly responded to the allegations against him, and the special prosecutor for press crimes was unable to provide contact information for Montes de Oca’s lawyer immediately.

Adela Navarro Bello, Zeta’s general director, told CPJ that the magazine’s staff did not have previous knowledge of Montes de Oca’s alleged involvement in the 1997 attack. However, Navarro said she hoped his arrest was an indication that the investigation by Mexican authorities into the attack against Blancornelas was moving forward. Montes de Oca has not yet been charged in the case.

On Tuesday, federal authorities arrested Gustavo Rivera Martínez, another high-ranking member of the Arellano Félix cartel as part of President Felipe Calderón’s administration’s crackdown on drug trafficking, according to Mexican and international press reports. In January, Alfredo Araujo Avila, a top hit man for the Arellano Félix cartel known as “Popeye,” was also arrested. Authorities are also investigating his involvement in the Blancornelas shooting, said international news reports. According to Navarro, Araujo is still in police custody but there is no word on the state of the investigation.

The attack against Blancornelas was prompted by an investigative piece in Zeta describing how the Arellano Félix cartel recruited gunmen from violent street gangs in San Diego’s Barrio Logan neighborhood. The leader of the Barrio Logan assassins was a veteran gangster named David Barron Corona, who earned the Arellano Félix family’s loyalty by saving two of the brothers from an ambush. Blancornelas published an article identifying Barron Corona as one of the top cartel enforcers.

A few weeks later, Barron Corona and a team of assassins ambushed Blancornelas while he was on his way to work. The assassination attempt failed only because Barron Corona was killed by one of his own gunmen when a bullet ricocheted and struck him in the eye.

Blancornelas died of natural causes in November 2006.

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MEXICO CITY, Dec. 2— When authorities examined the corpse of the killer who died in an attack on a prominent Mexican journalist, they found that he had turned much of his body into a menacing homage to death, with dozens of tattoos portraying blood and bones.

Fourteen skulls etched into his midriff and shoulders, investigators say, appear to have enumerated his victims.

The hit man, David Barron Corona, 34, led a group of young Hispanic toughs who started in crime by selling marijuana and amphetamines on California street corners, developed a taste for murder in years of drive-by shootings, and after establishing contacts with Mexican traffickers blossomed into a ruthless new breed of cross-border assassin.

Mr. Barron died on Thursday when a bullet fired by one of his fellow killers hit him in the left eye during their ambush of Jesus Blancornelas, editor of the muckraking Tijuana weekly Zeta, in Tijuana. Mr. Blancornelas's assistant was killed in the attack.

Although Mr. Barron's story is dramatic, he is by no means unique, an American anti-drug agent said. Mexican traffickers have been recruiting gang members in cities all along the 2,000-mile border to work as henchmen in Mexico, he said.

The agent described these gang members as ''hard-core, violence-prone'' criminals who speak both English and Spanish and have access to weapons. ''They'll do anything for money,'' the agent said.

''It's the same thing in El Paso-Juarez,'' he added, referring to the metropolitan area that straddles the border between Texas and the Mexican state of Chihuahua. ''They kill on one side of the river and hide on the other. That's why the border is as much a mirror of what is happening in the United States as it is of Mexico.''

Mr. Blancornelas, who was hit by several bullets, has twice undergone surgery since the attack. Surgeons successfully removed a bullet lodged next to his spine on Saturday, and he has regained consciousness and begun speaking and eating solid food, said Genoveva Blancornelas, his wife, in a phone interview from Tijuana on Monday.

Mr. Barron was born in Tijuana to naturalized United States citizens, and his family emigrated in 1970 to San Diego. According to criminal records obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mr. Barron was arrested when he was 16 for shooting to death a man who had urinated on his car. For that crime he spent time in a reform school near San Francisco and later in San Quentin Prison.

In 1987, he was convicted of burglary and possession of an M-16 assault rifle, and in 1990 of drunken driving, said Sgt. Andreas Rios, of the San Diego Police Department. Mr. Barron served three years of a five-year sentence for burglary in a California penitentiary, where he appears to have joined the ''Mexican Mafia,'' a prison-based gang, Mr. Rios said. At his death, Mr. Barron's midriff was emblazoned with a large tattooed EME, the Spanish letter M, apparently a reference to the Mexican Mafia.

When exactly Mr. Barron made the acquaintance of Ramon Arellano Felix, one of the brothers who control the Tijuana cartel, is not clear. But he appears to have earned Mr. Arellano's enduring trust in November 1992, when Mr. Arellano was pinned down in the restroom of a disco in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, during an attack by gunmen from a rival drug mafia.

Mr. Barron helped Mr. Arellano escape through the disco's air-conditioning ducts, American officials said.

After that experience, Mr. Arellano assigned Mr. Barron to recruit cartel gunmen from among gang associates in San Diego, according to a United States prosecutor who discussed Mr. Barron in a 1995 interview.

''When the traffickers wanted to send hit squads into Mexico, Barron would assemble the group and dispatch them to their targets,'' the prosecutor said. The gang members were paid weekly retainers and given bonuses of thousands of dollars for specific jobs, the prosecutor said.

Mr. Barron recruited gang members for an attack on one of the Arellanos' rivals in May 1993. That operation degenerated into a furious firefight at the Guadalajara airport and left a Roman Catholic Cardinal dead in the crossfire, said Alejandro Hodoyan, an Arellano lieutenant who was arrested last year and described the workings of the cartel to Mexican investigators. He referred to Mr. Barron by his alias, C.H.

''They assigned me to bring guys from San Diego for that operation, and I passed the job to C.H.,'' Mr. Hodoyan said. ''That was a mistake. Ramon's people don't use drugs -- nothing. They just drink sometimes when Ramon lets them. But C.H.'s guys are from the other side, they're crazy, they inject heroine, cocaine, anything. And during that operation several of them were stoned.''

Mr. Barron moved to Tijuana in 1990, but maintained a residence in San Diego, where he frequently visited his parents, a San Diego police officer said before Mr. Barron's death. ''He comes and goes as he pleases in San Diego,'' the officer said. ''People are petrified of this guy and his propensity for violence.''

Attorney General Jorge Madrazo said that investigators believe the attack on Mr. Blancornelas was in revenge for an article in the Nov. 21. issue of Zeta that accused Mr. Barron of assassinating two soldiers commissioned as federal agents as they sat in a Chevrolet Suburban outside Tijuana's Federal courts.

-------------------- Homes Raided in Mexico

Apparently in response to the attack on Mr. Blancornelas, soldiers from elite Mexican Army units and federal police agents yesterday raided some 50 homes and businesses around Baja California State that were believed to have been used by members of the Arellano Felix gang.

A federal police spokeswoman said that several people had been detained, but that none had yet been charged. One of those, Mario Lopez Mora, carried identification as a police official in the neighboring state of Sonora.

Ceding to public pressure, the Baja Governor, Hector Teran, also replaced the state Attorney General, Jose Luis Anaya Bautista.

Some colleagues and relatives of Mr. Blancornelas had accused Mr. Anaya publicly of bearing some responsibility for the shooting. They said that about a month ago, Mr. Anaya had suddenly and without explanation withdrawn two state police bodyguards who had been assigned to Mr. Blancornelas after two of his estranged former associates were slain in Tijuana last spring.

In a statement, the Governor attributed Mr. Anaya's replacement to ''social conditions that obtain in the state and that require natural adjustments in the government team.''

Although Mr. Anaya had been accused by one of the Arellanos' captured associates of collaborating with the traffickers, Mr. Teran praised him for his ''dedication, prudence and institutional loyalty.''

Photos: Investigators in Tijuana examining the Ford Explorer in which Jesus Blancornelas was severely wounded on Nov. 27, top (John Gibbons/The San Diego Union-Tribune), and the scene of the shooting, where one of the attackers, David Barron Corona, was killed. (Reuters)

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Attorney General Jorge Madrazo said that investigators believe the attack on Mr. Blancornelas was in revenge for an article in the Nov. 21. issue of Zeta that accused Mr. Barron of assassinating two soldiers commissioned as federal agents as they sat in a Chevrolet Suburban outside Tijuana's Federal courts.

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I am reading it differently....I know that you are trying to connect them, but I am back to them pressing the cartels for a place at the big Mexican table...it was known about deported eses setting up shop in TJ...Mexico...cartels are not stupid...each deported ese is a new connect to LA...new buyers/dealers to work with.

I still think eme tried to press the cartels....they had a few gunners in their ranks in Mexico...knew they had dedicated connects across the border...probably learned enough about their business that they could press on both ends....shit didnt work and the Mexicans let the feds handle them....SD is KNOWN to have topshelf shit....connects are a hop skip jump away....SD eme shotcallers got the game on lock in the sur hoods.

Mayuga...is this what you are getting at? I dont see the prison cats running shit with the cartels...but I see them being the brokers and taking a big piece of the business the surs in SD are making....shit that alone makes them brokers. And it makes more sense.

What I am getting at coup is the connections they have -irregardless of what mjmc says Popeye Araujo was a big eme connect in TJ. He was in several books like twilight on the line and was talked about in great deal in most AFO books or documentarys he wasnt just some dude hanging around the Arellanos, dude owned a few ranches and mansions and tried to extort Chapo Guzman connects thru EME contacts in LA. The other guy Gustavo is an EME member very active since at least 1995. The most notorious murders of the 1990s were committed by eme hit squads. Being that close to t he border and having so much connection to deportees makes collaboration inevitable.

Gustavo was not an EME member. And the only famous hit EME committed was a fu-- up when they killed the Cardinal, or if the Cardinal was killed on purpose EME were the fall guys, because when EME was there they thought they were trying to kill Chapo. Some of the other hits you mentioned weren't even carried out by EME but by the Juniors.

I never denied that EME had connections to the Arellanos or that they did work for the them either. In all the articles you posted did you ever realize that other than all the EME people connected to the Arellanos are all in prison already they have another thing in common, THEY ALL WERE FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THE ARELLANOS. EME did not do what they wanted, they were told what to do. If EME members ever tried the Arellanos too hard the AFO would of killed off EME in Tijuana.

EME were only part of their enforcement team. And their favorite hitman was not Popeye Barron it was Fabian Martinez Gonzalez el Tiburon.

Now outside of the whole Popeye Barron's crew who in the fu-- did EME have out there in Tijuana? All the articles you post that have a legitimate connection with EME and the Arellanos goes back to Barron. These days all of his crew are all locked up, what EME had in Tijuana in the 90s is gone.

LAST #%@&#%@ TIME. IN THE YEAR 2010 DOES EME HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ARELLANOS?

DO NOT BRING UP OUTDATED CASES.

DON'T TRY AND PULL THAT BS ABOUT EME BEING A SECRET ORGANIZATION THEREFORE ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW. AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW IT'S CLEAR EME AINT SO SECRET.

LAST FUCKING TIME DIPSHIT HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY DO OR DONT ?? POPEYE ARAUJO IS A WELL VERIFIED EME MEMBER HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2008> DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WAS JUST SITTING BACK AND NOT IN THE MIX ANYMORE??DO YOU THINK HE WASNT RECRUITING?HE HAD TIES AND A REAL CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ARELLANOS GOING BACK @ DECADES. NOT ONLY WAS HE CLOSE TO THEM THEIR AT ONE POINT WASNT ANYONE CLOSER!IF HE WOULDVE BEEN DISLOYAL OR FALLEN OUT OF GOOD GRACES WITH THEM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.BUT HE WAS CAUGHT UP IN 2008 WITH HIGH RANKING AFO CONNECTIONS DUMBASS.HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHO IS WHO WHEN DAVID BARRON CORONA WASNT KNOWN AS AN EME SOLDADO UNITIL HE WAS DEAD AND FOUND WITH EME TATTOOS HE HAD BEEN WITH THEM FOR A DECADE BEFORE THAT >>>>>>

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LAST #%@&#%@ TIME DIPSHIT HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY DO OR DONT ?? POPEYE ARAUJO IS A WELL VERIFIED EME MEMBER HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2008> DO YOU THINK THIS GUY WAS JUST SITTING BACK AND NOT IN THE MIX ANYMORE??DO YOU THINK HE WASNT RECRUITING?HE HAD TIES AND A REAL CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ARELLANOS GOING BACK @ DECADES. NOT ONLY WAS HE CLOSE TO THEM THEIR AT ONE POINT WASNT ANYONE CLOSER!IF HE WOULDVE BEEN DISLOYAL OR FALLEN OUT OF GOOD GRACES WITH THEM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.BUT HE WAS CAUGHT UP IN 2008 WITH HIGH RANKING AFO CONNECTIONS DUMBASS.HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW WHO IS WHO WHEN DAVID BARRON CORONA WASNT KNOWN AS AN EME SOLDADO UNITIL HE WAS DEAD AND FOUND WITH EME TATTOOS HE HAD BEEN WITH THEM FOR A DECADE BEFORE THAT >>>>>>

Exactly you can't find a thing on EME doing shit with the Arellanos these days. All you got is bunch of wishful thinking, for some deranged reason you are hoping EME is more involved than what they are. Must be because you don't want to look stupid for all that shit talking you were doing in other threads pumping up EME.

You are still speculating. You don't know what the hell Araujo was doing hiding around all those years, but in your mind you made up this story of him having the position Barron had which is a thing of the pass. Araujo was the same thing as Bat, a burned out hit man whose heyday was long behind him. Arellanos would not have killed him because he was not a threat and he was still being used to do some low lever shit like Bat which was guard a stash houses. Bat and Araujo were burned out by the time they caught them.

Can you even name the main hit men for el Ingeniero nowadays, they have been the same people for years already and none of them have anything to do with EME. None of the inner circle of the Arellanos new generation have any connection with EME. One of the reasons the EME had a close ties to the Arellanos back then is because what happened in Puerto Vallarta. Now the people he helped out in that shootout are dead or in prison, Ramon got killed and Benjamin is in Prison. El Inge was no real connection to EME and no reason to be close to them.

Then only time EME and the Arellanos had a close relationship was when Barron was alive. When he died and the old guard of the Arellanos either died went to prison, much like Barrons crew, EME and the AFO never had a close relationship ever again. Today EME and the AFO have a loose association but are not directly connected to the Arellanos. And even when they were close the the highest Barron ever rose was leader of a hit squad, which is one step above guarding stash houses.

Oh and other things you got wrong

FAMOUS EME HITS IN MEXICO.

THE CARDINAL- A mistake, they where supposed to kill El Chapo if you believe the official story.

BLANCOCORNELAS--a murder discussed ALL OVER THE WORLD --for its affect on journalism You idiot he was not killed he died of natural causes in 2006 EME killed his body guard, Blancornelas survived and Barron was killed by accident

SEVERAL POLICE CAPTAINS AND POLICE OFFICERS That is common in Mexico and like I said before a lot of the murders were committed by the Juniors not EME, EME are JUST ONE OF THEIR HIT SQUADS THE AFO HAD PLENTY OF THEM

SEVERAL ARMY NATIONAL GUARDSMEN Same shit, its common in Mexico and a lot of those were killed by people of another hit squad

SEVERAL BIG TIME ADVERSARIES TO THE ARELLANOS....... None of the big time adversaries of the Arellanos were killed by EME or anyone else working for the Arellenos, people working for their adversaries yes but never BIG TIME adversaries, last time I checked el Chapo is still a alive.

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NO SHIT BLANCOCORNELAS DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES..man you are a stupid fucking paisa aint you? you cant even hold an argument without resulting to personal attacks and insults just like a dumb ass mojado. freaking cherry picker trying to act like AL CAPONE...what made Mexico so vicious was the recruitment of chicanos from all over Arizona -Texas-CAlifornia./ a paisa aint about shit besides trying to act chicano! trying to be thugs and dont know how to make it look right buying your freaking jerseys at the korean store and writing SUR 13 on the wall with a wahable marker! slicking back your hair and ,hiking up your pants cuz thats how CHOLOS in the movies look ----I freaking cant stand you WABS...Take a look at the roster of the juarez cartel and tell me it aint FULL of people from Texas EME and Texas Syndicate --Hermanos Pistoleros and El PASO tip , Tri City Bombers. The 2 famous hitmen teenagers in Texas were both members of the TCB......Dudes all over the place --chicano gang bangers pulling murders, ,moving weight , becoming top dogs. It just aint in CAlifornia FOOL! MS and tons of others being caught up in the upper echeleons of the gulf cartel, the zetas, carrillo -fuentes organization , sinaloa cartel....etc etc . Your lame ass doesnt know diddly! Why dont you go pay 50 dollars to go get sucked off like all you desperate ass mojoz do , millions of dollars from slanging and having to pay for coochie cuz you dont got any style besides teh one you guys copy from chicanos and try to play as your own- I hate freaking WABS. They all get ignorant like you while at the same time claiming PAISAs are down ! what a freaking joke if it werent for chicanos , everyone would hate Mexicans. You Guys give us a bad name you feraking orange slanging sucker, claiming that hey at least its an honest living while standing outside HOME DEPOT. Get the phug outta here. You MOJOS arent shit without chicanos you dumb ass border brother.

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MJMC is a stupid ass paisa, he is a hairnet wearing ,korean store swapmeet buying, switch blade pocket comb having,orange slanging, cherry picking , short and dark looking . unibrow having , cross eyed looking, gold teeth having , little girl fucking , standing outside high school at 35 being, inbred fawking mojo. They should just deport his ass

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NO SHIT BLANCOCORNELAS DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES..man you are a stupid #%@&#%@ paisa aint you? you cant even hold an argument without resulting to personal attacks and insults just like a dumb ass mojado. freaking cherry picker trying to act like AL CAPONE...what made Mexico so vicious was the recruitment of chicanos from all over Arizona -Texas-CAlifornia./ a paisa aint about shit besides trying to act chicano! trying to be thugs and dont know how to make it look right buying your freaking jerseys at the korean store and writing SUR 13 on the wall with a wahable marker! slicking back your hair and ,hiking up your pants because thats how CHOLOS in the movies look ----I freaking cant stand you WABS...Take a look at the roster of the juarez cartel and tell me it aint FULL of people from Texas EME and Texas Syndicate --Hermanos Pistoleros and El PASO tip , Tri City Bombers. The 2 famous hitmen teenagers in Texas were both members of the TCB......Dudes all over the place --chicano gang bangers pulling murders, ,moving weight , becoming top dogs. It just aint in CAlifornia FOOL! MS and tons of others being caught up in the upper echeleons of the gulf cartel, the zetas, carrillo -fuentes organization , sinaloa cartel....etc etc . Your lame ass doesnt know diddly! Why dont you go pay 50 dollars to go get sucked off like all you desperate ass mojoz do , millions of dollars from slanging and having to pay for coochie because you dont got any style besides teh one you guys copy from chicanos and try to play as your own- I hate freaking WABS. They all get ignorant like you while at the same time claiming PAISAs are down ! what a freaking joke if it werent for chicanos , everyone would hate Mexicans. You Guys give us a bad name you feraking orange slanging sucker, claiming that hey at least its an honest living while standing outside HOME DEPOT. Get the phug outta here. You MOJOS arent shit without chicanos you dumb ass border brother.

Barron was born in Tijuana, Chicano he was not. By all accounts a mojado since he was a kid. If he was born into some East LA barrio he would of never got close to the Arellanos, he would of never been the hit man you like to name drop in this conversation.

The reason Mexico is so vicious as you say is not because the few chicanos they have recruited to do a few hits. The reason Mexico is crazy is the Sinaloa Cartel's war with the the Zetas. When Sinaloa attacked them the Zetas responded in kind and attacked their territories in southern and central Mexico, something the Arellanos never could do. The Arellanos killed some people in the Sinaloans territories, but never openly tried to take a plaza from Sinaloa because they couldn't. The AFO was always the weakest of all the Cartels in Mexico, they never could project their power outside of Baja.

Now the Zetillas that you are talking about were not from TCB, you got your areas in Texas confused. When Reta was recruited he was only 13 which leaves little time for gangbanging and his family were not from some banging background. Either way none of the Zetillas as they are known had any status in the Zetas organization. They were disposable hit men nothing more nothing less. You seem to think that just because someone pulls a trigger for a cartel that makes them automatically important. Look the the people Reta and his friends killed were some low level targets in Texas. They never killed some big time hit man of someone handling tons of drugs. Reta made up some very interesting stories when he went to the authorities, but to me that was just him trying to sound tough after turning rat. I don't believe he killed 30 like he claims, but that's speculation on my part.

Those kids they get from the US are used the same way as the kids recruited on the Mexican side, low level hits and cannon fodder. Now there are exceptions to the rule, in El Paso some kids that were involved with gangs killed an ICE informant/cartel lieutenant from the Juarez cartel. One of those kids was a soldier from Fort Bliss.

Take a look at the roster of the juarez cartel and tell me it aint FULL of people from Texas EME and Texas Syndicate --Hermanos Pistoleros and El PASO tip , Tri City Bombers.

Ok the Juarez Cartel is NOT full of people from the Texas Mexican Mafia, which has nothing to do with EME in California, or Texas syndicate. The gang the Juarez cartel has some sort of association with is Barrio Azteca. Low level hit men and they get hooked up with some coke, same thing as EME. Now to your average gang member getting hooked up with 20 to 100 pounds of coke may seem like a big deal but to a cartel that's just being polite.

.Dudes all over the place --chicano gang bangers pulling murders, ,moving weight , becoming top dogs. It just aint in CAlifornia FOOL! MS and tons of others being caught up in the upper echeleons of the gulf cartel, the zetas, carrillo -fuentes organization , sinaloa cartel....etc etc .

Gangs members pulling murders, although a lot like Barron were actually born in Mexico so you can't call them Chicano, yes they do commit murders for the Cartels. Yes they do move some weight for the Cartels. But never has any one ever became a top dog in a Cartel. El Viceroy don't know any gang members, El Inge don't know any gang members, El Lazca don't know any gang members, the Beltran Brothers don't know any gang members, although el Barbie who works as a high level enforcer for them was born in Texas he was never a gang member. ESPECIALLY none of the Sinaloa Cartel know any gang members. EL Chapo, Mayo, El Azul, and Nacho don't know any gang members. Only their subordinates of their subordinates of their subordinates know gang members.

a paisa aint about shit besides trying to act chicano! trying to be thugs and dont know how to make it look right buying your freaking jerseys at the korean store and writing SUR 13 on the wall with a wahable marker! slicking back your hair and ,hiking up your pants because thats how CHOLOS in the movies look

Yeah some kids of of immigrants mimick old gang movies, same thing with some poor kids in Mexico. But the top people in the cartels look down their nose on gang members. Most of the guys in Mexico that are bosses come from rural backgrounds in Mexico and they are proud of that. A lot of them dress like what you would call cowboys. Case in point, when Arturo Beltran was in Cuernavaca was celebrating Christmas with his men they hired a popular Norteno and Banda bands to come and play for them, look up Ramon Ayala and Los Cadetes de Linares. El Chapo and Mayo Zambada come from a rancheria in Sinaloa. Same thing with Arturo Beltran, who was much more powerful the Arellanos ever were. Nacho Coronel comes from one in Durango. Also the Leaders of the Familia Michoacana are from rural Mexico in Michoacan, and like the Sinaloa boys they are proud of their rural Mexican background. The Zetas not so much but still you have a lot a people from the them that took up that culture from always working from rural backgrounds. Z14 was killed in a cock fight in rural Mexico. Arellenos not so much, which is one of the many reasons El Chapo hated them so much.

Hell Chapo Guzman dresses like a damn trucker, in all his pictures he always has that cap on.

The reason these guys are proud of being rural is because they claim they are decedents of the people that fought in the Mexican Revolution. They claim men like Pancho Villa and Zapata as being like them, Pacho Villa being born in Durango and his right hand man being born in Sinaloa. They are not about to trade that for trying to act like little cholos.

Even their kids and younger men in their organization don't have nothing to with gang members. In Sinaloa there is a group of guys in there early 20s and teens called los Antrax, they are the friends and relatives of El Mayo Zambadas kids and nephews. Los Antrax act as enforcers and body guards for the Sinaloans family in Culiacan. None of them dress like cholos. They are all into the new style these days that is on TV. They dress in Versace and Ed Hardy type shit. Not my style but that's what they are into.

You always like to make cholo style is more popular than what it is. Why do you even care if it is or it isn't is weird, kind of sad actually.

Now the only gang members that can be some how be connected to the guys in Mexico are either Mojados themselves or are sons of immigrants. Their are exceptions to the rules, but it would very hard to some ELA chicano with no ties to Mexico to be connected to people in Mexico working for the cartels. If your a gang member from a hispanic hood you got a better chance of getting hooked up if your family has some paisas form Sinaloa.

Take a look at the Flores Twins in Chicago, they were moving tons of coke, more than EME ever dreamed of, because of who their families ties. That's what is important to these guys to become important in the organization, family ties. What if your a gang member it doesn't mean shit to them, other than you are more wiling to kill for them.

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I am starting to think you dont have a clue about chicano culture-paisa! if not for chicanos in this country PAISAs would be regulated to being jacked by every fool with a crew. The style copied in all Mexico is LA Street which is absolutely )0) NOTHING like true mexican culture. That style is home based in EAST LOS. I been to Sinaloa-Michoacan-Chihuahua. I stayed a summer and knew tons of fools who got hooked up later on in life-Mexico didnt even have a gang problem till the chicanos of ELA created something unique to us. Their werent cholo style people in deep set mexican citys like Puebla-Oaxaca-Yucatan--them fools had gangs similiar to the gangs found in the movies of GANGS OF LA, spiky hair --peace and love earrings, multicolored hair-bombache pants and shit. Nothing like the ELA gangster that set the stage for all ethnicitys in USA. The fades, creased up baggy gear and tattoos so unique to ELA. Shit paisa stop hating and get me a fruit basket

[mnjmc]

I am starting to think you dont have a clue about chicano culture-paisa! if not for chicanos in this country PAISAs would be regulated to being jacked by every fool with a crew. The style copied in all Mexico is LA Street which is absolutely )0) NOTHING like true mexican culture. That style is home based in EAST LOS. I been to Sinaloa-Michoacan-Chihuahua. I stayed a summer and knew tons of fools who got hooked up later on in life-Mexico didnt even have a gang problem till the chicanos of ELA created something unique to us. Their werent cholo style people in deep set mexican citys like Puebla-Oaxaca-Yucatan--them fools had gangs similiar to the gangs found in the movies of GANGS OF LA, spiky hair --peace and love earrings, multicolored hair-bombache pants and shit. Nothing like the ELA gangster that set the stage for all ethnicitys in USA. The fades, creased up baggy gear and tattoos so unique to ELA. Shit paisa stop hating and get me a fruit basket

Great I took your bait when you started with all this Mojado talk and now you turned this into another one of your whiny ass chicanos started everything bull shit topics. It seems like every East LA chicano can't help but bitch and moan about who starting wearing what. OK I'll play along, even though others have ripped apart your little theory of chicanos starting all fashion trends in Los Angeles, you don't realize it but you came out very badly in those debates you were having.

LA street style is not copied in all of Mexico. Very few people in Mexico dress anything remotely like a cholo. Its usually some poor kids that don't know better that saw a movie or has some relatives that showed them the style. Most kids in Mexico have their own pop culture shit they like, which are usually just American pop culture with a few twist and here and there. In Mex you got kids that are into emo, punk, heavy metal, reggae, Hip Hip(I know you claim alot of hip hop culture as being chicano but thats just people in ELA that buy that), hipster, and pretty boy types of dress, same shit as in the US. Cholo style is something very few kids are into. If you say you've been to Sinaloa, Michoacan, and Chihuahua and saw a whole bunch kids wearing cholo style it makes me think you are lying when say you've been to those places.

And Mexico doesn't have a gang problem, it ain't Central America. In Central America most of the murders committed in those countries were done by gang members for their gang. That's not the case in Mexico, say you're in Michoacan and you are in a gang and want to start slanging meth. Will that would be problem because La Familia Michoacana prohibits the sale of meth to fellow Michoacans. The penalty for breaking that rule is death. Same thing for the other cartels in Mexico. The cartels like to hold a monopoly of all forms of organized crime in the areas they operate. In Sinaloa they are straight massacring gangs of car robbers.

Plus like a said before street gangs in Mexico are very weak, they don't have access to the amount of money it would take to buy guns in Mexico. Their fights just involves fist, knives, and the occasional handgun. I can see gangs being problems in some cities in Mexico, but that's only if a Cartel is using them for something or if it's an are in an area no cartel has interest in controlling.

And the old Mexican gangs did not dress up like those of movies of Gangs of LA with the spiked hair. They dressed in whatever torn up shirt and pants they could find that was decent enough to put on. That description you gave was how all movies back then depicted urban gangs.


But back to the original topic. Currently are there any US gang member that hold high positions in Mexican drug cartels. If so name them and which drug boss are they close too. You can't bring up dead and imprisoned bosses like Ramon and Benjamin Arellano, do that and I'll believe you and say you are right.

[youngspade]

Omg Burn this thread please

[mayugastank]

YES THERE IS YOU DUMB WAB. Take a look at Barrio Azteca and Texas Syndicate...do you really expect some freaking MOJO in Los is doing major work out here? 18 street had 2 dollar paisas paying rent and then stealing their dope. There arent hardly any WABS doing the business in LA unless they pay rent you dumb corn hussling HICK mexican. WHat the fuck would I ever have to look up 2 some WAB in Mexico for ? come to a real city and get pimped. You freaking goofy fucks. Most of you cant even get a girlfriend unless you bribing that with an ounce of dope or your paycheck from landscaping. You wanna talk about Mexico like the cartels have and always were kicking up dust! Freaking new bootys. Dont compare me to no hick ass WAB JABRONI roses on the freeway slanging -paleta man. WHat the fuck could you guys do in the USA if we didnt have the firepower of Mexican gangs in USA. EVery paisa wouldnt even know whats up! I remeber paisas asking me to read their paperwork for them in county --cuz they didnt know how much time they were doing !LOL .....hwo the fuck you going to get locked up and not know what your being charged with and not know how much time you got sentenced 2! Yea big mafiosos alright! I knew a WAB who was with the business and that fool went and bought a chevey blazer and put bull horns on the side of it. He thought he looked slick with a belt buckle made of snake skin. I seriously doubt any cartel didnt get their ideas from Los Angeles gangs -the structure and organization isnt their in Mexican culture. Italians do ahve a history of mafias and organized crime its fairly new in Mexico and thats why you see so much bloodshed cuz its every WAB for himself......why dont you break down the gang war their and instead of me telling you how it is and who is doing it --give me a lesson EXPERT.

[mayugastank]

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[mnjmc]

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Low level hits and a loose association with the cartel I never denied. What I was calling bull shit was you saying US gang members becoming TOP DOGS in the Cartel. The highest a US gang member has ever gotten was leader of a hit squad, which is not that high up in the organization, although you can't really say that because Barron himself was a MOJADO. Just admit already that US gang members only do low level shit and never rise above that in the ranks of the Cartels.

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Mexican Mafia case garners guilty pleas

Lawyers for other suspects say secrecy hampering their efforts

By Onell R. Soto
STAFF WRITER

April 19, 2004

Three months ago, authorities hailed what they called the breakup of a violent conspiracy by a prison gang to rob people, smuggle drugs, extort drug dealers and kill witnesses and a law enforcement officer.

Defense lawyers and relatives complained that many of the nearly three dozen charged were not part of the notorious prison gang – the Mexican Mafia – and it is unfair to paint them all with the same brush.

Now, about a quarter of those arrested in January raids have pleaded guilty, and prosecutors say negotiations are going on with others in an effort to focus on the defendants accused of the most violent acts.

"We're sifting through, figuring out which ones are the heavies," said prosecutor Mark Amador.

While several defendants are charged with attempted murder – Amador said investigators prevented some killings – none has been charged with plotting to kill a law enforcement officer.

Defense lawyers have complained about secrecy shrouding the case, which is built around wiretaps. Amador said the secrecy is necessary to prevent people from being killed.

The investigation began when authorities learned of a plot to kill a police officer, he said. That information was used to persuade at least one judge to allow wiretaps on cell phones used by three of the top defendants, he said.

But the affidavits in support of the wiretaps – which might lay out the alleged murder plot – remain sealed, and prosecutors are fighting defense efforts to obtain them.

"It's an ongoing investigation," Amador said when asked about the plot allegations. He said those involved have been indicted on other charges.

Meanwhile, prosecutors are blacking out certain information from papers they give defense lawyers, including information that would allow them to contact witnesses.

And a judge has ordered defense lawyers not to give their clients any of the paperwork they get from prosecutors.

Defense lawyers said the secrecy violates their clients' civil rights and hampers efforts to present a proper defense.

None of the eight defendants who have pleaded guilty so far has been sentenced, but most face fewer than five years in prison and only one faces more than 12.

More plea bargains are possible before the scheduled Sept. 13 trial date, which several defense lawyers said is unrealistic because of the complexity of the case.

The case involves 35 defendants charged with 56 crimes.

Superior Court Judge David Danielsen split up the case to make it more manageable. Defendants are now facing trial in 11 groups.

Ten of the defendants are facing life prison terms, Amador said.

Defense lawyer Elizabeth Missakian said the case is needlessly complex. After dissecting the charges, she said prosecutors actually have charged 13 conspiracies, not one.

"They're all being painted with the same brush, and they don't all stand in the same position," she said recently, echoing comments she made earlier in court.

Two of those indicted have not been arrested, Amador said.

The District Attorney's Office is still working to extradite the man they indicted as the leader of the conspiracy, Jose Alberto Marquez, nicknamed "El Bat."

Marquez, 44, is being held in a high-security prison outside Mexico City, where he faces charges as well, prosecutors say.

U.S. federal prosecutors also have charged him as part of their prosecution of the Baja California-based Arellano Felix drug cartel.

In court papers, the District Attorney's Office said the Mexican Mafia works with the cartel to recruit and train members of Hispanic Southern California street gangs to act as smugglers, soldiers and debt collectors.

The Mexican Mafia has great power over street gangs, exacting a "tax" on the sale of drugs outside prisons, and using them to help smuggle drugs into prisons, prosecutors said.

The gang does this with threats that those who cross it face violence both inside and outside prison, they said.

Prosecutors say Marquez became the highest-ranking prison gang member with connections to the Arellano Felix organization early last year, after another Mexican Mafia heavyweight was arrested in connection with the kidnapping of a Tijuana businessman.

Marquez helped direct the actions of street gang crews led by two high-ranking associates, Monica Yanez, 29, and Arthur Torres, 46, both of whom were indicted in this case, prosecutors said.

The crews trafficked methamphetamine, planned attacks on people who wouldn't pay extortion, and tortured, extorted, robbed and tried to kill other people, according to court documents.

Marquez also directed other defendants in the case to assassinate the brother of an Arellano Felix leader suspected of cooperating with Mexican authorities, prosecutors said.

The evidence in the case is massive.

Defense lawyers have been given more than 5,000 pages of documents to pore over, and soon will get 50,000 pages detailing wiretapped calls made over six months.

For E. Hodge Crabtree and other defense lawyers, it will take months to figure out the government's evidence against their clients.

"I can't tell you what kind of evidence they have," he said.

Normally, witnesses testify about what they have personally seen.

"In this case, what you have are a bunch of phone calls made by a number of people," he said. "Until I see the actual phone log, or hear the actual conversation, I don't know what the prosecution has."

Amador said the reach of the prison gang dictated the size of the case.

"There's been a huge impact on the streets," Amador said. "We were able to cut off the heads of the monster known as the Mexican Mafia."



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[mayugastank]

A 39-year-old San Diego man with ties to the "Mexican Mafia" and the Arrello Felix cartel has been sentenced to federal prison, the Department of Justice said.

Federal court documents show Jose Rojas and associates assisted in coordinating criminal activities between the "Mexican Mafia," also known as La Eme, and the Felix syndicate, the DOJ said in a statement.

Authorities prosecuted Rojas as part of “Operation Keys to the City,” a probe conducted by a San Diego task force aimed at violent crimes and gangs. The task force also investigates ties between the previously mentioned groups and Latino street gangs.

Rosas drew a 17-year prison sentence from U.S. District Court Judge Barry Ted Moskowitz for his conviction on conspiracy charges on Dec. 4. Rosas admitted to conspiring to conduct enterprise affairs through a pattern of racketeering activity in violation of federal statutes. He pleaded guilty to the charge earlier this year, United States Attorney Karen P. Hewit said.

Rojas is a parolee with a lengthy criminal record dating back to 1988, federal prosecutors said. During the course of the investigation, Rojas distributed over a quarter pound of methamphetamine to a federal informant, prosecutors said.

[Dusty1]

The original target of La Mano Negra was Richard Buchanan, 50, a former prisoner described by the FBI as a high-ranking member of the gang.

Buchanan doesn't sound like a Spanish name to me?

This another wood...former AB or something allowed in, or is he down with a Sur hood?

Quit speculating. He is not or never was a wood. He was originally from Otay 13 - a gang from the south side of Chula VIsta in San Diego County.

[Dusty1]

I'm not sure I understand the title of this thread. The top guys in the Mexican cartels are not members of La Eme.

# 3 and #7 are both EME members -EL PALMA SALAZARs wife was killed by a hit squad contracted by the EME. Ive been tryint to reiterate how involved the EME is in world wide narcotics deals ,my previous posts show the most famous murders and most notorious murders of the 90s committed by the EME. BAT MARQUEZ was a suspect in a dozen homicides including the most famous murders of the catholic bishop and the murder of TJs police chief. #3 was in the top leadership spot of the Arellano Felix cartel. Another major figure was POPEYE ARAUZO a CDC verified EME member. POPEYE BARRON of course from my precious posts was an EME member he was at one time mexicos most wanted killer.

What gangs were they in and who is # 3 and 7

Bat was originally from Del Sol. A varrio in South San Diego.

[Coup]

The original target of La Mano Negra was Richard Buchanan, 50, a former prisoner described by the FBI as a high-ranking member of the gang.

Buchanan doesn't sound like a Spanish name to me?

This another wood...former AB or something allowed in, or is he down with a Sur hood?

Quit speculating. He is not or never was a wood. He was originally from Otay 13 - a gang from the south side of Chula VIsta in San Diego County.

Not speculating.....simple question to the guys pushing the thread. What's the problem?