youngspade wrote:mayugastank wrote:WHAT A FREAKING JOKE! who gives a dam about the above africans ? didnt you guys read the thread? modern style tattoing-the patterns -designs-writing-ghost fading-the pictures of the HELLS ANGELS are completely chicano themed tattoos from the HELLS ANGELS across the back to the writing style. Now TRE is mentioning Africans being pierced and having /?on their skin what a crock of twisted responses are these? Aztecs-Japs-ancient Incas ,Mauris, all had similiar design and squirrly lines. How did the conversation get spun around? I am talking on MODERN tattoing ,the designs -lettering -pieces-placement-and ghost faded-black and white -caligraphy across the neck -old E on the head --everything in its entirety that is being done TODAY!!! not a freaking 100 years ago or in the ancient egyptian times -AZTECS were getting tatted for a thousand years ...but I aint saying they invented tattoing you dumb spear chucking Africans and hick mexicans -doing tattoos with shark fins.Not to mention that less then 20 years ago people outside the VARRIO weren't tatted in the form of Mexican -American youth, the caligraphic chains across the neck that TOMMY LEE and every other white rocker had started in the hood'.The blast on the stomache. Check out GEEZY and LIL WAYNE who acknowledges ," he dress all los angelos"....as stated in his songs. Outside of SOCAL whom, and where did whiteboys get their biker clubs blasted across their shoulder blades? or blacks get thug life across their stomache in NEW YORK? totally a chicano tattoo, fu-- changing the word around the placement and stylization is 100% chicano............HOW THE PHUG DO I POST A PICTURE!! I am getting pissed they are blocking my ability to defend my positions and are purposely letting these dumb spearchucking and fruit slanging ignorant get the last word
perongregory wrote:Everyone bites off of blacks the whole world knows it... lol at ELA influencing the whole black American population. Never put your neighborhood against a race you'll always lose.
perongregory wrote:West Los will fade ELA anyday it's too ruthless over here not about strolling in your creased up khakis or whatever BS you be on, bout bangin. stop sidesteppin, lil ass east los didn't influence the majority of black culture the south did, then NY, then LA. stop lying ELA set the trends for Mexicans, and woods prob. Anyway white youth always taking on others cultures.
perongregory wrote:I'll believe you if you can provide proof instead of rhetoric. Too many Chicanos disagree with you and that right there tells me something.
perongregory wrote:I didn't say that Mexicans didn't make tattooing popular I disagreed that Mexicans influenced all of modern tattooing or most of it like DAGO and silencioso said as well. They dropped facts, you dropped personal opinion. And when and where are Mexicans thought to be agreeable, probably when they are outnumbered yeah but when they get the numbers you get my drift. The thing is I give props to Chicanos for being one of the unique American cultures next to blacks and whites, but you hate and lie on everyone else so I gotta rebuke you.
mayugastank wrote:perongregory wrote:I didn't say that Mexicans didn't make tattooing popular I disagreed that Mexicans influenced all of modern tattooing or most of it like DAGO and silencioso said as well. They dropped facts, you dropped personal opinion. And when and where are Mexicans thought to be agreeable, probably when they are outnumbered yeah but when they get the numbers you get my drift. The thing is I give props to Chicanos for being one of the unique American cultures next to blacks and whites, but you hate and lie on everyone else so I gotta rebuke you.
REBUKE ME....evil spirits leave dis hereeee boy! get out I dont lie and hate I give props and give credit to people for being original-jazz,rap-motown-soul food-ebonics-slang-beat-dancing-breaking-blacks having their own dress, etc etc ......tattoing just predominantly belongs to ELA and thats the truth. So to make friends and not be racist I gotta let whites and blacks in tandem jack from my culture and not even give us a nod? do whites and blacks even know wher the shit they getting tatted on them is coming from? because I aint ever heard them mention us. Even though they get shots to where their whole piece is reminescent of a ELA chicano. Truth be told its pretty easy to jack our culture since outside of Arizona-Texas-Califas-New Mexico-and a town here and there -chicanos are non existant. Theres mexicans all over but they nothing but some refugees who couldnt even explain or probably dont even understand chicano culture. Thats what America thinks of Mexicans -I dated a white chick -who didnt even know a chicano to her mexicans were the ones who picked her fruit in North Dakota growing up and a chicano was not ever even seen before. Blacks are nationwide -essentially-their are pockets in every region. Midwest-South-East Coast-West Coast- plus the exposure of TV and internet-and radio-but us ? man I met a dude from NYC who said hed never even seen a mexican in his life...believe that?! so blacks on the west take our stilo and show the world yet we get nothing from it -not even acknowledgement and definetly not a shot out. Even though without us it wouldnt be the way it is -tattooing and the underground wouldnt even be anything close to what it is.....but without puerto ricans or greeks or cambodians or samoans or phillipinos or columbians and salvadoreans or cubans -blacks the tattooing culture would still be essentially the same! it is us who infused it with our styles and patterns and that shit is worldwide now but so very few people even know the history and patterning came from theat lil square of dust called ELA
perongregory wrote:I do give props the Chicano culture is a beautiful movement but the problem is you lie. America is too big with too many egos especially white and blacks for ELA to have cultural hegemony over the whole country. And the fu-- are u talking about push it, you think ELA oll' dried up tecatos could fu-- with this West LA gangsterism? Better learn something West LA will fu-- off East LA in a heart beat, plus so much from East LA came from Chucotown in Tejas.
And ur ass hasn't been out of LA becuz whites don't dress like no fuckin wood outside of the southwest. Also, I didn't say tattoing was a minority thing idiot, I said who were people you saw with tattos: minority gangsters, because not many nuetral minorities back then had tattoos like they do now. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH FUCKER!
perongregory wrote:I agree with you on the one. But in the 80s and 90s it was a different story.
perongregory wrote:You're right. But we can't forget the whites...If it wasn't for them there probably would not have been black and latino clubs/gangs on the scale that they are now. The whites laid down the groundwork, the Latins elevated it into a culture (mainly Chicanos with the exception of those PR's in the CHi), and the blacks radicalized it and put their urban spice on it. But like we said before there are only really 3 delineated "racial" American cultures in the US: Chicano, Black, and White. Now the question should be, what is it about LA, that makes it so gangsta and makes this gangsterism so cultural so loved, so sacred.
perongregory wrote:What I wanna know about is chicano life in the North and valley before all this norte, sur foolishness, because chicanos been up there for along time too but ELA always gets all the credit.
mayugastank wrote:perongregory wrote:What I wanna know about is chicano life in the North and valley before all this norte, sur foolishness, because chicanos been up there for along time too but ELA always gets all the credit.
The word chicano was popularized by northern mexicans-I dont know too much about their gang history but from what I read most of their gangs got their start after the 1970s. The have a different form of tattooing but they still hold many ideas and patterns popularized here in ELA. Some things northern mexicans popularized or in tattoo culture-the stars -representing the northern star-the huelga bird. Shit thats it I can think of!?LOL.....freaking wankstas! I heard them fools get THUG LIFE tattoed on them ...hahaha!
Nortenos and the term for northern mexicans was always around. Even before norte and sur. Mexicans begun to segregate in terms of location similiar to blacks from the KUMI and BAY . LA EME felt they were a criminal organization based on criminal deeds. The Nuestra Familia and BGF and alot of groups during the heyday of the 1960s and 1970s had criminal and political aspirations. Cesar Chavez -farm workers union was a big influencer in norteno street culture. Nortenos begun to meet and discuss political aspirations-something that incarcerated blacks popularized. Black militancy was taking off in prisons nationwide and on the street-the term black power was coined and a menatlity that it was a time to fight back was popularized right here amongst blacks. Other groups like the brown berets and AIM begun to listen to the rhetoric of infamous blacks like Huey Newton and Seagle, shit even the countries olympic team threw their hands up to symbolze black power and unity. Nortenos and some Surenos saw this and decided to be out in the open and started to discuss political aspirations in the public like militant blacks in jail were doing. La EMEs, Rudolph Cadena was a big promoter in the ideas of the BGF and NF, who by then had split from the Southern Mexicans due to a lack of respect shown to hillbilly mexicans. Rudolph Cadena was quickly ostracized for trying to re-unite the fractured chicano movement. Many EMEROS felt that the Norte was undeservent of respect and felt they were a bug who should be squashed not negotiated with. In fact when he was murdered he was travelling to unite the movement-Emeros elsewhere undid his trip by stabbing nortenos in several prisons while he was trying to talk peace. Thus he was killed for the actions of his brothers-and the split of Norte and Sur was cemented. To this day the term Chicano is viewed by those in the know to be synonomous with nortenos, in fact -the norteno movement does not allow a person born in mexico to become a member.
You said you heard. Where did you see many Nortenos? On a netbangers page? You mean SAN JO & that's where I am, where I don't see any fucking gold teeth on Nortenos or FUBU. That's never made it big here & got old quick.mayugastank wrote:ah.....this norteno got hurt feelers because I said Nortenos were wankstas for getting THUG LIFE tatted on them...haha! you freaking weenys-and yes I seen many a norteno -you guys are small time-but yea LA is where it all started. Shit dont take my word for it......take a trip to SAN HOE! and see a norteno -freaking ponytails and FUBU,gold teeth and nike cortez man you gays are funny. What is wrong with you guys out there?
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