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[mayugastank]

Perongregory

Your statement is saying that you believe that the universal concept of beauty is new. That without outside interference other groups wouldnt believe such. What scientists have described as attributes of beauty are-in the subconscious. Hyper femine female features are considered attractive universally. Small nose ,delicate jaw,large eyes,dark eyebrows. In men the features arent on the opposite direction -they are actually in symphony with what men consider attractive in females. With the only exception being -the strong jaw as opposed to a weak one. Pyschologists have reasoned that even infants know what beauty is . They tend to stare longer at faces with those features. The theory behind it is that children are preconditioned to look for comfort in women. Womanly features -in both men/woman make the person seem kinder/gentler/more caring nurturing. I dont think-perongregory-that something at the subconscious couldnt have always been there. Its universal from place to place and supposedly defined at the subconscious level. So my thinking is that its not something that can be remodeled by propaganda or interference. Since the studies have shown that the pattern for what equals beauty doesnt change from place to place or amongst different people...my guess is that its at the very fabric of the human pysche. Beauty=warmth-intelligence-kindness. Its just a theory so dont quote me on it

[mayugastank]

2 women on opposite ends of the racial sphere both universally considered to hold facial charecteristics of beauty. Both except for skin tone and hair have what is considered the physical attributes of beauty.MEANING=irregardless of race -beauty is a set concept. Whether certain races have more or less of these characteristics is whats being discussed. And as far as I know -no real study has ever been done to discount or prove it . Especially now in our PC world. I mean shoot just look at silencioso last statement where he turned around on what he really knows to be truth in order to not offend anyone!lol.....

[~J~]

This is way closer to facial beauty then Gwen Stefani can ever dream of being or quite a bit more then Alicia Keyes >>> http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6172 ... 75x500.jpg

[perongregory]

I don't know bro, when I read about some of the weird shit people liked back in the day in diff. parts of the world I feel societal ideas of beauty might trump our inherent biological leanings. This scientist said this:

However, John Manning of the University of Liverpool in England cautions against over-generalization, especially by Western scientists. "Darwin thought that there were few universals of physical beauty because there was much variance in appearance and preference across human groups," Manning explained in email interview. For example, Chinese men used to prefer women with small feet. In Shakespearean England, ankles were the rage. In some African tribal cultures, men like women who insert large discs in their lips.

Indeed, "we need more cross-cultural studies to show that what is true in Westernized societies is also true in traditional groups," Manning said his 1999 article.

(source: http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issu ... /feng.html)

And the studies you cited mayuga are of western men. Now if humans prefer a certain look and only a few groups of humans really possess this look are you telling me that for centuries most humans have been settling? Seriously.

[mayugastank]

Bibirace isnt as much a factor as symmetrical facial structures....The following is Bibi Gaytan -a mexican female and cindy crawford: Note the similarities in facial structure. Do certain races have more or less -of what constitutes beauty? my personal opinion is yes. Bibi Gaytan is a good read ona an average look for chicanas around LA. She would be considered the typical latina beauty queen, on a saturday night in Bell Gardens you are guaranteed to see a large amount of women who look like her. Do other races have as many or more so beautiful people then latinos....in all honesty from my circular reasoning and biased/but truthful review Id have to state negative. I have been in situations were tons of other race females have been present and only amongst chicanos/latinos do I see those charecteristics of beauty in such commonness. Dont hold back if you think I am wrong

[mayugastank]

I don't know bro, when I read about some of the weird shit people liked back in the day in diff. parts of the world I feel societal ideas of beauty might trump our inherent biological leanings. This scientist said this:

However, John Manning of the University of Liverpool in England cautions against over-generalization, especially by Western scientists. "Darwin thought that there were few universals of physical beauty because there was much variance in appearance and preference across human groups," Manning explained in email interview. For example, Chinese men used to prefer women with small feet. In Shakespearean England, ankles were the rage. In some African tribal cultures, men like women who insert large discs in their lips.

Indeed, "we need more cross-cultural studies to show that what is true in Westernized societies is also true in traditional groups," Manning said his 1999 article.

(source: http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issu ... /feng.html)

And the studies you cited mayuga are of western men. Now if humans prefer a certain look and only a few groups of humans really possess this look are you telling me that for centuries most humans have been settling? Seriously.

Absolutely not....that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that beauty equals a certain bone structure as science says it does --that-that bone structure would equal beauty in that race as well. West Africans are well known for having that facial bone structure...however the differences in hair/skin color wouldnt make them as appealing to all races. But ask an African what he considers good looking and the facial charecteristics of beauty is almost guaranteed to equal "pretty". Is Vivica Fox beautiful?Yes absolutely....Is Queen Latifah? In my opinion"hell nah".....lol. Would certain races have more or less of the characteristics? yes in my opinion...but it is an opinion and only that. I just have never seen it on average as much as I have amongst that certain list" silencioso" is regretting posting......haha

[MCD]

Absolutely not....that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that beauty equals a certain bone structure as science says it does --that-that bone structure would equal beauty in that race as well. West Africans are well known for having that facial bone structure...however the differences in hair/skin color wouldnt make them as appealing to all races. But ask an African what he considers good looking and the facial charecteristics of beauty is almost guaranteed to equal "pretty". Is Vivica Fox beautiful?Yes absolutely....Is Queen Latifah? In my opinion"hell nah".....lol. Would certain races have more or less of the characteristics? yes in my opinion...but it is an opinion and only that. I just have never seen it on average as much as I have amongst that certain list" silencioso" is regretting posting......haha

Yeah I remember learning in a Psychology course that thing jawlines, high cheekbones in women and n symmetrical faces in both sexes are typical factors in beauty in terms of the face and then of course body features we all know about. so if you got none of those sorry youre ugly

[Sentenza]

Yeah, I know, Peron. To be honest, I'm beginning to regret even putting up that post. Now I seem like a racist jerk. I just want Sentenza to support his position a little better.

Ok, i'll try. There is nothing racist about what you said.

Your statement is saying that you believe that the universal concept of beauty is new.

I believe the same as perongregory. I dont know much about beauty ideals outside of Europe in ancient history since they are not documented as well either.
But here you go:

Prehistoric Times

This is a photograph of the so called Venus of Villendorf in Austria from prehistoric times, about 20.000 years ago. It is believed, that it had ritual functions concerning fertility.

It does not correspond very much to our present sense of an ideal body, because we expect beauty to evoke sensuous and mental delight as an image of harmony and perfection.

This sculpture is small in size, only approx. 11 cm of limestone, but great in design, as it is very elaborately composed and carried out.

Antiquity: Hellenism/Ancient Rome

The Hellenistic conception of art derived from natural life, as the Romans were more pragmatic than the Greeks. It was realistic and therefore allowed the first individual portraits in history.

Here we have "Aphrodite Kallipygos", goddess with beautiful buttocks, made about 100 b.c.

Late Middle Ages

Here we see the paradise scenes on a miniature from one of the most beautiful books ever made, called " Les tr�s riches heures du Duc de Berry", a prayer book of the French king's brother, originating from about 1400.

An enormous change in art has taken place. We see the so called "Beautiful -" or "Soft Style", a luxurious, refined fashion again, with a slim silhouette.

Uniquely the ideal of a beautiful female body was having a belly and looking pregnant!

Late Renaissance

11. Diamond Mine Maso the San Friano ~ 1570; Florence, Pal. Vecchio

A painting in the style of late Renaissance, also called Mannerism. The painter shows scenes of a diamond mine in the excessive manner of exaggerating, for example human limbs, far away from classical proportions.

Even this is Mannerism style, at beginning of 16th century! I must not withhold this extraordinary and singular ideal of a perfect male body from you, that was pursued by all gentlemen of the era, like this one with an arrow by Cranach.

Modern Era

Finally - another work of the so called "Classical Modern Era", the "Reclining Female Nude" by Modigliani, 1917, a beautiful and ideal body for us. In contemporary art the variety is vast an there seems to be no more universal ideal. Nevertheless the charming curves of Modigliani still delight our senses.

21. Reclining Female Nude Amadeo Modigliani, 1917; Milan

Of course there is a certain relation between beauty and bone structure, meaning that someone with a hydrocephalus or a disfigured face is not considered beautiful. However, the proportions of those bone structures and in which way they are considered beautiful change over time and differ from culture to culture.

A long neck is usually considered beautiful among women. But would you consider this beautiful?



Well the Karen people in Burma do.

In ancient Japan, Geishas were considered to be the ultimate expression of beauty. They ought to have round, moon shaped faces and skin color as white as can be. Also in addition they had to have crippled feet.





The same ideal of beauty was predominant and still is in China, as i already stated above.
In Japan and China many people still avoid the sun in order to not get a tan, because brown skin is considered ugly.
Slowly this is changing because of the influence of the western media, but concerning these body features there is no universal ideal of beauty in my opinion, since it differs drastically around the world and in history.

Among the Khoisan in southwest africa, this is the ultimate female beauty. This body feature could develope because it was considered beautiful and those indiviuals who had it were preferred for procreation.



To put a long story short, i dont see how our beauty ideal of today is universal in any way, shape or form.

[mayugastank]

okay ~

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion..but for sure facts are just that. I have a limited world view on the subject/but also found the situation to be the same every place I have visited. I can see a good looking lady of ANY race and they all somewhat possess the same features. Alicia Keys/Cindy Crawford/Bibi Gaytan/ ...black/white/mexican...........if you lined them up their might be some discrepancies in hair color/skin color/body types/...but the facial structures pretty much across the board are all really similiar. These women universally are considered attractive. Whether or not these facial structures are prevelant in a certain race is all conjecture. Yet my honest opinion -what I have consisitently witnessed is a resounding YES. Do chicano people have the attributes of beauty in commonness( is it average?) . Well surely anyone from LA could tell you that yes absolutely they do. What I have found different about chicanos is that the attributes are 50/50 ....meaning for every chicana that is popular do to her good looks ....their is almost always a chicano to match. I havent seen that EVER amongst any other races. In LA and especially ELA....beauty is common and beauty goes both ways. The men are universally pursued by white/black/asian and the women as well. Sometimes we end up together sometimes we get swept up by a good looking female of another race. Much more attention on this thread should have been spent on the ratio of intermarriages ...yet for its importance just about everyone skipped right past it and onto the discussion. WHY I ASK.............are hispanics the only race in America that marry equally in female/male ratios? Not whites-blacks-asians-natives nor any other race in this country does so. Its at the heart of the entire debate of interracial mixing yet this thread and the entire conversation on interracial marriages nationwide ---barely mention it.

[mayugastank]

HERE WE GO evermore! Congrats miss universe -miss mexico 2010.

[Silencioso]

HERE WE GO evermore! Congrats miss universe -miss mexico 2010.

Be serious Mayuga! That girl is about as white as Mexicans get! Where's your brown pride, homie? Let's see some Aztec princess represent Mexico for a change.

[mayugastank]

HERE WE GO evermore! Congrats miss universe -miss mexico 2010.

Be serious Mayuga! That girl is about as white as Mexicans get! Where's your brown pride, homie? Let's see some Aztec princess represent Mexico for a change.

Are we a indegenous people originally? YES. Are we a mixed people now? YES. The fact is that 600,000 spainiards lived and bred in Mexico at a time when disease wiped out 90% of the population-the European and Indegenous mexica populations were almost split even. Youd figure that every mexican would have some "white" person in his family. I am what would be considered "latin/white". Some places of Mexico like guadalajara/sinaloa/yucatan are well known for having high percentages of what you label "white mexicans". The mixture of "white mexicans" with other mestizo mexicans is the norm. How often do you see white mexicans married to mestizos? or how often is a father of a light skinned chicano -himself white looking with the mother being dark. Yes we can differentiate between what an original mexican and a present day mexican looks like-but bone structure and facial features are more or less similiar in both the indegenous and mixed mexica. My brown pride -is very evident in the summer/but usually year around I am white. Just like every other mexican.

[~J~]

Be serious Mayuga! That girl is about as white as Mexicans get! Where's your brown pride, homie? Let's see some Aztec princess represent Mexico for a change.

You know that won't happen, the media worships the fair skin in Mexico/Latin America as does much of the world.

[Sentenza]

Man, that girl could also be russian or australian. Where are the native beauties at, id like to see more of them.