Chicanos Tattoos on Blacks.

[~J~]

Mayuga, whatever the reason/s acknowledgment for Chicanos' contributions really isn't there in the mainstream media but it's not like Chicanos give credit to Blacks every time for what they been influenced by their people on, you'd assume facts are known and a humble tip of the cap are giving in some kind of way, but I hear you in a sense that sometimes kudos would be appreciated because we aren't really a part or drenched in the mainstream media like Black or White folks, most of our story is told through documentaries. but hey, that's just how it is...

[mayugastank]

Its not only KUDOS I am looking for reparations is what I seek....

No but seriously it a good thing to document our stilos because in a few years brothers are going to be saying that they made up these designs and chicanos started copying them! what gets me ~J~ is how much of the patterns are at the heart of the movement and how much is just arrogantly being appropriated like it doesnt belong to anyone or its WEST COAST -Los Angelos or whatever....which is such BS. This style of tattooing was used by chicanos in every southwest state. Chicons' from every spot kind of fed off eachother to give this look. I dont think anyone besides us ever used it as a fashion statement. If you look at the amount of patterns we created its in the hundreds and hundreds ---open by ANY tattoo book and over half is chicano---and the other half is sailor and japenese. What people dont get or focus on is how both the japs/russians/chicanos have the EXACT same history when patterns emerged...secrecy -secret symbols-placements-colors-and fonts. Its extremely unique and NO WHERE else worldwide has such styles gained as much popularity. Take a look at every type of clothing with the designs and shit and youll see chicano tattoo patterns ED HARDY is notoriously stealing our artwork. What theyd like J is too rip our shit off--use it and say they invented it. I mean when a history is done of tattoos worldwide ---the chicano is credited with making it fashion-reemerging the artform and creating a whole style that swept up all styles. Now the patterns are all over shirts and pants and shit and yet people dont even know the history ---like some fool just dreamed it up. These patterns are inspired by an American Gulag and an American Caste system that locked up brutalized --tortured---killed Chicanos for not conforming. But hey some fool like ---MAINO comes along and just gets all our shit on him without ever even knowing what the fuck he getting>? I made it clear that ALL blacks are ding this I posted dozens of pics ---dozens of rappers--basketball stars--football players artists.....they didnt even change anything about our patterns loco ---and that really sets a flame. I mean you just steal our shit and then make me debate if we even came up with it? Give me rap---gumbo---jazz----motown---I want all that shit. Its a fair trade.....I mean why we dont debate them on whether they started any of that is beyond me>>???? MY AZTEC ANCESTORS started basketball.......stop dribbling....stop eating chocolate.....they put all the same level as this ink and ist not even close!! That ink is the lifeblood of teh movement it made us stand out ....I dont see a problem with them getting it but dont EVER make ME point out thats its OURS----you should gotdam know! when you decided to get it. You should know as much as teh yukuza had their patterns....fucken make me check you for wearing our shit? say yea --mang ---we copied and you guys got a good style ---props I love the way you fools draw and dress and ink....thats respect. Dont make me point out that we came up with it---and deny that we did.

[mayugastank]

Zephyr skateboards changed the world of fashion for whites-tattoos/skateboards/dickies and pendletons/

Why? dogtown 13.....
Their logo is the old logo of the Dogtown 13 gang -and old hit up of the chicano gangsters of the 1970s in and around Dogtown. Vans a shoe synomous with skateboarding first used by cholos as chinos.

[19DAGO04]

Zephyr skateboards changed the world of fashion for whites-tattoos/skateboards/dickies and pendletons/

Why? dogtown 13.....
Their logo is the old logo of the Dogtown 13 gang -and old hit up of the chicano gangsters of the 1970s in and around Dogtown. Vans a shoe synomous with skateboarding first used by cholos as chinos.

It's not suppossed to be the Logo for Dogtown 13...but I see where your going with that.

Dogtown is also an AKA for Venice (or was in the 1970s and 1980s). Zephyr originated in Venice. Jay Adams-one of the original Zephyr skaters was supposedly affiliated with Venice 13 before he got locked up. I think that board is supposed to be a throw back to the Dogtown Days of Venice and a homage to Jay Adams.

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[19DAGO04]

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Jay Adams-Check out the Dogtown tattoo on his eyebrow:

[perongregory]

Anyone wiopia and a good grasp of history would know this, tell me 1904 how you know more about WestLos then a dude who grew up here?

[19DAGO04]

A homie just told me that Adams was part a of surf/skate gang called Venice Break Water Locals -VBWL- that were cool with Venice 13. I guess they backed each other up?

[19DAGO04]

A homie just told me that Adams was part a of surf/skate gang called Venice Break Water Locals -VBWL- that were cool with Venice 13. I guess they backed each other up?

Another homie just told me that he was from Venice Hoodlums-a Mexican and White gang. Punkers that dressed cholo like the Suicidal gangs used to. I guess he hung out with the woods in the pen. The Venice Hoodlums were known as a legit gang in the 1970s by other hoods and the LAPD I guess. They were real tight with Venice 13.

[19DAGO04]

Dogtown is also an AKA for Venice (or was in the 1970s and 1980s). Zephyr originated in Venice.

I am wrong about that. SS of Santa Monica AKA Dogtown-and thats where Zephyr originated.

[mayugastank]

DAGO-

What I am getting at is how much of chicano art and getdown has been cold jacked. Yet we got brothers actually making a vato debate who came up with it all. A good documentary on the modern skateboard movement-which also led to the tattooed rocker/skater/the grungy ass skater look /cut off dickies/white Ts/baseball caps flipped up and much of their ink/.............Theirs a documentray called DOGTOWN and ZBOYZ. It traces teh beginings of this look for all whites nationwide. To quote " dude we grew up in Venice with lowriders-cholos-big hair and latino gangs, they influenced everything about me, I never looked at no blonde haired blue eyed girl named BUFFY growing up" Now white boyz around the USA , said " I never knew that that graffiti was latino gang graffiti, I didnt know that the cutoff dickies and tank tops came from latino gangs" ......Bro-the DOGTOWN placa IS a hitup of the VATOS from DT13----its the logo of their skateboards. Period. Tehy may change it up a little but its how DT13 used to strike up. This look is FAR FAR more predominate in white America then any look whites get from blacks.....yet again not a mention except for maybe 10 minutes out the documentary--stealing our art to give LIL WAYNE a look STEALING our art to give EMINEM a look, STEALING our art to give TRAVIS BARKER a look. A look mind you that said FUX WHITE AMERICA....we are mexican american ....we can change you but you dont change US. People dont just get to take everything thats ours and sell it to the world like its an Los Angelos thing....nah --cholo, TEjanos and Chicanos everywhere had this stilo.

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[mayugastank]

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[perongregory]

The funny thing is your blaming blacks but blacks outside of So.Cal first attributed the heavy inked up tattoo look to whites, hence the many phrases to it being rockstar. So are the brothers knowingly biting Chicanos as you say or appropriating a look they associate with whites.

[mayugastank]

The funny thing is your blaming blacks but blacks outside of So.Cal first attributed the heavy inked up tattoo look to whites, hence the many phrases to it being rockstar. So are the brothers knowingly biting Chicanos as you say or appropriating a look they associate with whites.

First off--I never said the brothers were doing it KNOWINGLY/ but it is blatantly appropraiting/stealing .....their arent chicanos outside the southwest ---they wouldnt know---unless they looked it up. But yes brothers out here who moved around are DIRECTLY responsible for bringing that look to other brothers. Now a dude like Terry Kennedy a black skater who grew up around chicanos and KNOWS DAM WELL that his tattoos are MEXICAN AMERICAN is MORE RESPONSIBLE then say CASHIS who just said mang-I seen blacks like Terry Kennedy who ink up like this SO IT MUST BE BLACK. Its how it starts and ROCKSTARS copied our look ----just check their style---Its like I been reiterating it starts and ends with us. Its why it always looks original and on us because WE developed it and its why theirs black jealousy of us because you guys would just love to steal everything we do --and sell it like its YOURS. But you dont see that>? You know Terry Kennedy grew up seeing all that ink on us ---yet he blatantly flashes his shirt like its black power and all original black masterpieces...just like the whole getdown of the Bs and Cs and anything not East Coast about blacks. Their be a million blacks with these tattoos after Terry Kennedy gets on AIRTIME and his show takes off and then like everything blacks STEAL from us we will have to come back to whether we started it and sooner or later chicanos like they do now ----wont even remember how it begun and who did it first---theyll feel like they usually do UNORIGINAL ....or they wont make a stank outta it like they do NOW! Ninjas WOULD NEVER LAY DOWN LIKE THIS. EVER. Anytime anyone does anything even remotely black they get called on the carpet ---BUT BLACKS STEAL our art and turn around and say THEY STARTED IT.

[perongregory]

Yeah, that's how I feel about hip hop grafitti, zoot suits, khaki suits, all blue, or all red, rap, braids, grills etc. You find mexicans wearing claiming. You tell me which black is jealous of mexican tattos or said they started that style of tattooing...list them and don't beat around the bush, oh and tell me the black tattoo artist inking these fools...I'm waiting.

[mayugastank]

Yeah, that's how I feel about hip hop grafitti, zoot suits, khaki suits, all blue, or all red, rap, braids, grills etc. You find mexicans wearing claiming. You tell me which black is jealous of mexican tattos or said they started that style of tattooing...list them and don't beat around the bush, oh and tell me the black tattoo artist inking these fools...I'm waiting.

Yes thats a good argument you got --but/ HIP HOP GRAFF is debatable and I assume it started with PRs. Braids/Grills/ well now any mexicanamerican who wears that is just an idot and not chicano-and well khaki suits? isnt that just changing the flavor of the cholo a tiny bit and claiming you started it? and well zootsuits/ tejanos say they started that and so do blacks ....I dont know --but I am sure if we werent speaking on it NOW ---blacks would say they started this form of tattooing --as soon as blacks topdown started using it--and then theyd call US claimers. Its what blacks do---they steal outright our getdown and turn around and say since we put hydros on the LOWLOWS we started it .....or since we used the colors of the largest gangs in California alot more often then chicanos did ....well blue and red are OUR colors....cuz mexicanamerican only used it in the pen/and cuz although they used these colors 20 years before any crip or blood ---we were banging it more often since it started in citys with both B/C. Come on dude. B/C are chicano lites. They are SURENO lites. THEY are VATO lite. Its all a spin on trends vatos start. I dont mind it at all ---just say its fresh say its smoothe say its easy to look your best when all you got to do is keep your hair short/keep a clean white T /throw some starch on it and your styling. I mean the bald fade is smoothe/its clean/its fresh and its used by chicanos who got it from blacks because its smoothe/its clean/its fresh. Now when you see a vato sport an AFRO?=> But the hateraid blacks have where they jack the getdown and then say they didnt? or when they hope NO ONE is looking they sell it like they started it. All teh whiteboyz from DTOWN and ZBOYZ openly admitted they took teh cholo style.....they admit they didnt even like white people....they admit they didnt even like white girls....its why they were like us ....because they grew with us /married us and adopted to us. Yet other whites in different places ASSUME that thats just a white style.....but teh originators let them know on that link I posted ----that NO -dude ---chicanos showed us --we took their demeanor---its theirs ----and its who we grew with and who we love. They are Mexican -but they are American dude. That link says it all ----its why white/mexicans probably get along in the pens---white underclass looks up to a people who could keep their head up and who actually TRULY loved being latino/mexican/chicano/......nnotice why people arent copying the styles of the new vatos too much? because they have started to adapt to hip hoppy trends with the JAYz and RAPPIng and saying NINJA and doing things that are FAKE. Things that arent them.

[mayugastank]

and to J~~

who said chicanos arent giving blacks credit for what they started I say BS. By blasting oldies and bumping rap and listening to black music ---while not listening to mexican music ---they are letting it be known that blacks for whatever the hell reason sing better/can hit a note better/and put more emotion into words better ...then even mexicans can. Its an open admission -but they arent just going to come out and say "mexicans suck ass usually when it comes to music and well blacks do those things better".....but by bypassing their own cultures music and taking black music its EXACTLY whats being said. I dont have a problem admitting it....I dont see why anyone else would. Blacks own the music because they own the dam music..they do it the best....props.

[~J~]

I don't necessary agree with that, it's just that a lot of the 'Norteno type music is usually about corruption/narco or stuff they drink to not the type of music they pour feelings into like oldies. honestly, I'm indifferent about most of it, maybe 'cause I'm Chicano and not from the other side? either way I don't think most of that type of music is good, but Mariachi music really represents 'The people' best, they pour feelings into the songs and they can 'get down' like the Bros' just with a different style of music.

[mayugastank]

Perongregory
when I said blacks are jealous I didnt mean all and I didnt include everyone. Their is though a huge undercurrent of black america, that cant stand hwo chicanos clearly just dont give a fux about white society-white racism-black people or anyone or anything else. I believe alot of immigrants are just upbeat about actually being able to have dinner that they dont give a shit about no struggle 400 years old. It isnt proudness -just dam happiness and fulfilledness at simply ass things like a beautiful brown baby and a thick ass brown latina-and a good meal-I believe their are a vast majority of blacks who see that and are like "right on ESE" but their enough others that would just like to steal and downplay anything any of us have been thru like only blacks deserve acknowledgment or invented it all. Its HATERAID. Ethopians and other Africans who move here have that same appreciation for life and love and living as other immigrants do and many blacks have had passed down "its racist". Who gives a shit if its racist? Fux them. Do I want to be like them? Hell no-their women suck ass -their grimmy -their ugly as hell which is why they want to breed with us and not vice versa so much. I dont give a crap about them- I already knwo that not only am I equal I am better then their gay ass therapy having over bumping their toe in 6th grade once no lip and freckly ass white skinned-no ass and stale fawking gay copying us getdown. Blacks dont know this yet -and they get mad we do. Its why theirs racial problems -not cuz mexicans but because of certain blacks who have been pissed on and cant let it go-I mean I get it been all bad ---but who gives a shit? whites cant get down like blacks and if blacks would just let the worth sing thru -tehyd let the world know why and how life developed amongst them. But for now its just inertia.

[perongregory]

I'm sorry, but blacks are not jealous in fact it seems Mexicans are jealous as we always see them saying some Mexican shit, jumpin us when they outnumber us, pullin weapons, and just doing scary hater shit. Blacks do ignornat shit like sock out paisas for some untaxed money, but that aint no jealousy or hate, its just criminal predatory behaviour.

[mayugastank]

Doubtful-
Blacks clearly have hate and cant stand to see how we just fly in the face of that fake white supremacy-we are more then happy with our lives-women-babys. We love ourselves and being around ourselves. I dont see that from blacks at all. Never have. Its why I believe blacks are angry. Despite what people believe about this conflict only being in Los Angelos- its really alos in all prisons where we have any impact and even the streets of Texas. I heard recently from people in Texas that blacks beat to death 2 paisas on junteenth -now when in Gods name have you heard mexicans doing shit like that? its only after blatantly racist -hater black behaviour that mexicans finally get sick of it and say 'their all the same" blast whoever you see first-who is black. Dont tell me oh its just criminal behaviour because studies have shown that blacks nationwide target whites for robbery and assault -by huge margins. Many times the racial aspects of these robberies/assaults go underreported as in the case of the Denver beatings where gangs of blacks were assaulting whites/browns yelling racial shit and doing it out in the open. Now tell me if you were mexican who the hell would you side with? The problem really is with blacks-and you know this but I see why you wouldnt admit it. Mexicans give no concern to blacks-and when I have heard racial shit from them its only because -of something blacks did first-over and over again. I knew a white lady who moved out her house after 40 years because blacks would throw bricks through her window for no dam reason. Over and Over. Yea their are progressive -open minded blacks but many jsut consider mexicans WHITE TACOS.

[perongregory]

Racism and race is built into mexican culture so you can miss me with that shit. I'ma break it down in full when I have the time. Blacks aint trippin off no Mexicans we deal with every latino there is so why would a nation of blacks hate on some people who's culture is only in the Southwest? We up against the rulers of this country you other mufuckas just always stickin your big white ass kissin heads in the way.

[mayugastank]

Racism and race is built into mexican culture so you can miss me with that shit. I'ma break it down in full when I have the time. Blacks aint trippin off no Mexicans we deal with every latino there is so why would a nation of blacks hate on some people who's culture is only in the Southwest? We up against the rulers of this country you other mufuckas just always stickin your big white ass kissin heads in the way.

Fool mexicans have white blood and many mexicans are white. Obviously they would feel kinship to those who look like some member in their family. I get what your saying about kissing white ass and I see how youd say that -but ....like I said over and over --your immediate problems are your biggest concern,not what happened during the mexican american war or some unseen force looking to rid the country of illegals. Racism and race in Mexican culture are very different then racism and race HERE. Again -its not the skintone but the behaviour that has caused enemies. Youve lived here so I guarantee -you cant honestly say that mexicans have exhibited racism towards you. If they have I am sure its been misiscule. I just dont see it man. Yea many mexicans might harbor racist feelings and many dumbass mexicans are on some sucking white balls. But its blacks fault for not making alliances with them to begin with-instead of sock out paisas night! Courtesy instead of jealousy wouldve erased any type of brown racism against their new neighbors. However instead of that many recieved just what they expected! Lets get into how ZERO and I mean ZERO --black peoples are present in SALVADOR-MEXICO-NICARAGUA-GUATEMALA- zero......these countries make up the biggest conrtibutors of immigration---yet YOU believe erroneously that somehow a spanish caste system hundreds of years old-made these people hate blacks? We arent talking dislike /we mean raw-vicious murderous hate. BS. The major complaint of blacks Ive heard is their rudeness in dealing with 1. people who dont speak english 2. and rudeness for no appearent reason then to be RUDE. zero provactation. Blacks arent doing enough to extend the olive branch and its only getting worse in places like NYC and Virgina where murderous and treacherous robberies have been committed against their new immigrant neighbors. Yet you believe it wasnt based on race. hmm......teh situation isnt going to get resolved overnight and will continue if left unchecked-to be brockered by Americas (2) competing minorities. Really as simple as it sounds only mixture can stop the hate.

[~J~]

Racism and race is built into mexican culture so you can miss me with that shit.

How is racism a Mexican phenomenon? that type of behavior runs in all man-kind, then again you probably already knew that.

I honestly don't know where Mayuga comes up with a lot of his theories not that their all completely invalid but I assure you he doesn't speak for me and probably not for most of us.

If I can be honest for a second... the way I see it is that Blacks in general aren't jealous of Mexicans, however I do think that the apparent animosity Brothas' are feeling from Mexicans is do mostly to their demeanor, I almost guarantee you their Africans brothers don't get anywhere near as much dislike or prejudice from Mexicans and it's probably do to their generally more laid-back and humble demeanor in the states.

[mayugastank]

J~
I honestly don't know where Mayuga comes up with a lot of his theories/


BOOKS. Tons of them. Since Ive grown up and gotten to know myself I realize their is no use faking the funk-yes I am a nerd-geek-dweeb-bookworm, always have been. I just kind of lost track of it when growing up as nerds werent in the cool crowd. But now I dont give a shit and well I just embrace my nerdness.

[ViciousRidah]

Racism and race is built into mexican culture so you can miss me with that shit.

How is racism a Mexican phenomenon? that type of behavior runs in all man-kind, then again you probably already knew that.

I honestly don't know where Mayuga comes up with a lot of his theories not that their all completely invalid but I assure you he doesn't speak for me and probably not for most of us.

If I can be honest for a second... the way I see it is that Blacks in general aren't jealous of Mexicans, however I do think that the apparent animosity Brothas' are feeling from Mexicans is do mostly to their demeanor, I almost guarantee you their Africans brothers don't get anywhere near as much dislike or prejudice from Mexicans and it's probably do to their generally more laid-back and humble demeanor in the states.

I can agree with this to a certain extent .But I don't think Africans in the US are off scott free by any ethnicity ,''Americanized or not in the US'', hell you even have some own brothas clowning down on them,so this why I don't pay atttenton to every black individual playing the race card. A lot of fellow brothas I know are very into themselves and are too cocky , now its nothing wrong having pride ,I just think having too much were you think everyone owes you something,feel the need to down somebody, and is always jealous of some else's accomplishments no matter the case , this is when my BS meter goes off .A lot of brothas and sistas in this hip hop age feel ''that they are the shit'' ,that their unsmashable, and i think it is getting way too out of hand. Back in the days a lot of brothas were full of pride and may of thought highly of themselves but not to the point were they are dirty macking and down talking a neighbor who just bought the new Escalade on the block . I mean envy and jealousy has always been present within any ethnicity ,any country ,anytime,and anywhere but now the BS is ever present and prevalent .Why do you think there is so much envy and competition amongst black entertainers, i read Nia Long was mad at Beyonce becoming a actor in which she was getting a list roles,and that if you are a singer remain a singer let the real actors get the roles and parts. So now even actors are beefing, you have the old middle class blacks against the young up start rising blacks , and now you even there is even some black porn stars beefing with each other. My thing is when I hear a black individual talk about a mexican, or an asian I know its not a race thing all the time, its a jealousy thing. The same thats is mad at the mexican getting a job at a construction site is the same brother that may be mad at another brother for getting that same job he was applying for. In the hood how many niggas you know are mad at another nigga, pushing a flyer more suped up ride.You know when they are using racial slurs on another mexican and say its black thang that same brotha would do that cause he's all for self.So any crime that is done based on race whterits robbing,killing kids, and rat packing is all racial no matter what any one says. Thats the situation today but it wasn't always like this its a new millenium thang and blacks are playing into it.

[perongregory]

I can dig that, I think blacks have a me over everybody feel more so than others you even see it in how we b ang, are unity and collective progress played out.

[ViciousRidah]

I can dig that, I think blacks have a me over everybody feel more so than others you even see it in how we b ang, are unity and collective progress played out.

But it wasn't always like that though, even all the way up until the 80s into the early 90s a balla could really play it cool while he was hustling, getting his in the hood with a few exception of haters in the hood.In different hoods it was different,as well as different cities in places like New York and Philly people would get mad at you if you just had the best pair of sneakers.Now with this new wave of hip hop and bad timing (3 strike laws,rico,demographic shifts, post crack era,snitching,Game being passed down G to G) things are distorted. sense of slanging and banging are hard to get a foothold in the streets. But with how people are banging now I remember a time when the OGs wanted to hold that block down cause nothing could interfere with that cash flow,it was imperative you keep an eye out for rivals and one times,at least this was how it was in some hoods. Now you have these so called dusty ass old bustas on hood magazines,DVD mags,news reports ,and TV Docs portraying a lot of gangs just as some dumb niggas on the block with no sense, it ain't totally true, some niggas is about money some niggas have finesse with the way the do things ,some niggas is down for their hood and some niggas just post up on the block ready to shoot mofos for no goddamn reason.but its no wonder things have changed cause you have some people telling our stories wrong.I think the sudden surge of I'm the best in the game and being ''king'' is from some of these so called black celebs worn old timers playing there vets, and misguidance.

I think one of the reasons why our political organizations have been skewed and worn out is because the main Black community groups like the NOI and BLA are taking credit for what real ghetto wisemen put down, on top of that destroyed themselves.The 60s and 70s were the paramount of black america, were tough,hardworking had style,UNITY and always had self consciousness of blackness.

[mayugastank]

Its what I said to perongregory-but since it was coming from a chicano he paid it no mind or believed it was a biased view. Chicanos in general I believe -and from what ive seen do not give 2 cents about blacks in that -they arent jealous/haters/envious/or mad at them. In fact the opposite would be true. If chicanos get beefy with blacks its merely because the jealous brothers of which their are plenty have made such an impact on him that his entire view of blacks all blacks has been clouded to were he believes now -that he must maddog a black first since he knows its coming anyways. A friend of mine told me that growing up in Pomona -you could deal with blacks in 2 ways ---either ignore their stares and rude behaviour or get ready to throw blows when it happens. You can pretend they arent staring or you can confront it and let off. Ive found this to be true-as well. However-in my case, I am able to say " hello, how you doing brother" before it ever gets their. Which difuses most hardasses. I just dont find mexicans to behave in this manner and when perongregory says they are racist mexicans Id have to agree -but only because of on going racial BS spitted by brothers. Note: Their are ZERO blacks in Mexico-Guatemala-El Salvador-, ZERO. Their is no way to come with prejudice and if their is a quick -discovery of your new neighbors attitudes should eliminate this. I remeber once, begin to date-this fine chick-half black, gorgeous-well we were in a casino and some brothers quickly made comments on how this "sista was a vegeterian and didnt like no dark meat!" considering me a white boy. Jealous envious behaviour. I was able to get this fine light skin mami -and they didnt like it. Another half black chick I was banging, caught us so many rude comments while walking hollywood blvd-on the way to the club--"dam you got it going on girl, need a ride?" dam girl what you doing with that white boy" fuck sista whats good " oh how you doing -gurl" all this by brothers driving by in their hoopties...who really couldnt handle a sister liek that anyway. Well eventually that night I wound up socking up some dude--who grabbed her ass and was dismissed by this sister for not letting it go. Its just hateraid-and it comes alot from blacks-not all, but enough. Now I cant help it that my face -has always made it easy for me to get any girl-thank my momma for making me a pretty boy -I just merely smile and well they come to me!=>

[mayugastank]

Thats a good question and a good theory perongregory and viciousridah touched on : to perongregory.You touched on black individuality-me and me first. Yet from my understanding of the black power movement and the panthers --their was a strong sense of black unity and black culture-the panthers and those they spawned-developed amongst chicanos and along them. Soledad brother was a really good read and it touched on that individual mindset blacks have that has never let them progress or fight a united front. Now when I touched on these themes before --you accused me of racism/prejudice. The reality is that a few blacks--in black neighborhoods in California--(oaktown) took a system of resistance and black power and FLEW with it, gave blacks nationwide a strong sense of the accomplishments of Africa -mans birthplace-and the reasons why blacks in America were dysfunctional and self hating. This belief of racial superiority has been extremely strong amongst the chicano convict forever, and an attitude of "how dare this weak white /female like man ever, step to the greatness of a TRUE chicano man" and our great heritage spawned what are the Nuestra Familia and EME. That barrio and racial pride was borrowed by blacks in CA---and really pushed towards all blacks. In the book Key to San Quentin, the author R.Theodore Davidson touched on a firsthand account of whom and why was really in control of the lives of prisoners and he reiterated something I have known, and something you have been able to at least superficially admit. Blacks in teh book were described as "inmates" and chicanos as "convicts"......the differences? blacks emphasis on individuality led them more to try and outdo eachother/tell on eachother/and look out for their own benefit when compared to the chicano. White inmates were seen as an even 50-50 split. Those whites who were what society calls criminal (bikers-and convict whites) adopted the behaviours of chicano criminals. They formed and patterned their tattoos/beliefs and demeanors on chicano convicts. This well documented in the early 1960s, when mind you chicanos were at 18% of the prison population. With that 18% of the population they were able to thoroughly dominate---the prisons. Your theory on numbers has come up over and over again -you state numbers that chicanos have as having made them -a force. But although I knew it---numbers isnt that much of a factor. The group unity of 18% of chicanos and chicanos ability to make it racial/put aside differences and steamroll any outisde force is what has always given chicanos power. This steamroll and this unity is what others have sought to copy by creating organizations and gangs mimicked on the chicano model. Picture AB/NLR/BGF/C and B/ and all other ethnic groups similarities to chicano gangs---some would love to label it a "WESTCOAST or an LA " thing which is not the case. I am not done with the book but theirs alot to it.

[mayugastank]

ViciousRidah"

But I don't think Africans in the US are off scott free by any ethnicity


But they are extremely content to breed with eachother -eachothers company and success. They dont look for happiness from outsiders and I have seen firsthand how ethopians react to eachothers company their is an extreme sense of kinship within these people. They also succeed handily in academics and reach out to eachother for help like mini-counselors. They network alot and rely on eachother for any problems they have. They are also extremely content to be black--and actually as far as ethopians are concerned---believe themselves a great admirable race with no need for anything from anyone! its why they are whiping ass in colleges and walking out with masters degrees/medical clinics and instead of leaving it all behind to be American --they are opening restaurants/clubs/diners etc where these Ethopians can socialize and get to know eachother. They arent only an example for black America but for all America

[ViciousRidah]

ViciousRidah"

But I don't think Africans in the US are off scott free by any ethnicity


But they are extremely content to breed with eachother -eachothers company and success. They dont look for happiness from outsiders and I have seen firsthand how ethopians react to eachothers company their is an extreme sense of kinship within these people. They also succeed handily in academics and reach out to eachother for help like mini-counselors. They network alot and rely on eachother for any problems they have. They are also extremely content to be black--and actually as far as ethopians are concerned---believe themselves a great admirable race with no need for anything from anyone! its why they are whiping ass in colleges and walking out with masters degrees/medical clinics and instead of leaving it all behind to be American --they are opening restaurants/clubs/diners etc where these Ethopians can socialize and get to know eachother. They arent only an example for black America but for all America

Yes africans of any tribe or ethnicity are faithful ir own, they bhave ethnocentric pride beyond a doubt , they are proud whether it be East African ,Horn African,Southern Afircan,Naija etc. This is because I guess they feel a sense of duty to their own people by taking up a woman from their own background and marrying them . This will ensure a woman from their own background would have a better life., I know many african men may have an urge to taste every kind of woman they meet here in America like other men from different backgrounds, but that does not mean they will stay with them for life. And as you said many of them take the little up and coming youth to counsel them. Yes they open up a lot of restaurants, you can go to places like DC and see this, they live in very upper class neighborhoods, and the are very fervent in obtaining degrees. But mind you many Nigerians are the same also , as well as East Africans like Ugandans, african immigrants are the highest college degree graduates per capita no matter what nationality .Places like DC and LA already have their Little Ethiopia, but they aren't exactly accepted by the average middle class Americans because they are relatively young in the history of this country .

[mayugastank]

I asked my friend about this and she said Ethopians came here to succeed-dont know limitations and rely on family and friends to define parameters. Any night at UCLA or USC will show you how much they value kinship/friends/family in their own community. Youll see groups of Ethopians studying together till 2am. Now I asked her opinion why American Blacks and although I dint ask ( I also thought CHICANOS ) werent as successful as Ethopians-she reiterated she knew the mental abuse American Blacks have been thru. Id say the lomgevity of chicanos here in the USA has left some floating within 2 worlds--one that values education and once that values family and children and culture. Its why that arguement 'that blacks cry racism is such BS!' merely take as an example African Americans and Ethopians and youll see the ramifications of hundreds of years of racism/slavery and oppression on the same ( or similiar ) 2 peoples . 2 peoples with the exact same bloodlines and oppurtunitys doing VERY different things. One succeeding--another who has in the past failed miserable. Yet those whites who deny that those conditions they created should be a factor dont even look at such in your face evidence. The merely reiterate "stop playing teh race card' oh.....that shit makes me hot.