sinaloa drug cartel vs lcn

[mayugastank]

ahahaha italian mafia is a monolith both in europe and north america



In Europe but in North America they are regalated to the East Coast and are hard up even their with some families near extinction like the Colombos and LUcchese. Gambling could never compare to the profits derived from drug dealing. Not to mention that Mexico today is what the USA was in the 19th century, free-easy to buy off police protection-easy to murder people and not get caught-disorganized-and crooked. Doesnt the amount of informers in the last 10 years of the LCNs history prove that in America you deal in crime you pay.BIG?

[FAVELA9]

this has become an intresting topic

[Faciulina]

IF .........Italy was next door to the USA -The mafia would be the most powerful organization. But outside of the East Coast they are NON EXISTANT. You could spend your entire life in the states outside of the East coast and NEVER run into an italian!!! of any make or model* The LCN in NYC is not comparable to the least powerful organization in Mexico. The Most powerful organization in Mexico wouldnt reach the level of sophistication of any of the Italians Mafias. Italians have had their wars and fought their battles and went through much BS that made the organizations what they are. Mexicans are just starting out. Where is the comaparision? The 30,000 people killed in the cartel war is not replicated anywhere on earth as in a gang war. Not columbia-Italy-Russia nowhere have so many been killed in such a short time frame....so that tells me?

although most of italian mafia is located on the east coast (but there are families in the middle-west and in california), in the states as a whole it's still the strongest organization, fbi, organized crime experts and even minister of justice said it and honestly i believe in them more than a few wannabes from a forum LOL
when you say mexican cartels are stronger you compare what they did in mexico you dumb i'm talking of the states
the fact they did 30.000 murders it doesn't mean they are more powerful, some organizations like triads and yakuza rarely kills and they are among the most powerful group... italian mafia did in the 80s what mexicans are doing today and italian mafia was more vicious it bombed dozens judges never heard of mexicans bombed judges they maybe used a bomb only 1 time for killing some rival

In Europe but in North America they are regalated to the East Coast and are hard up even their with some families near extinction like the Colombos and LUcchese. Gambling could never compare to the profits derived from drug dealing. Not to mention that Mexico today is what the USA was in the 19th century, free-easy to buy off police protection-easy to murder people and not get caught-disorganized-and crooked. Doesnt the amount of informers in the last 10 years of the LCNs history prove that in America you deal in crime you pay.BIG?

in north america they are a monolith too there is a commission of the mafia and it's extremely organized and it's 1 big organization
ahahahah colombo and lucchese families are still very strong they are hundred members and thoudans associates, where did you read they are near extint? honestly you know very little about organized crime

[FAVELA9]

america loves the LCN

[m12chinola]

ok so this is the bottom line mutha...... the sinaloa cartel is more powerful than any european organization and i dont care what u say,,, the way i see it the euopean mafias have had over a hundred years to build there empires and its still being rivaled by the sinaloa cartel that only has a littel 20 years in the making... in war the sinaloa cartel will destroy any group you put in is way..... 1 because it has to many members 2 it has money to blow and 3 their tactics to destroy there enemys are barberic... decapitations torture and if thats not bad enough they will kill your family young or old.. heres a website that will make u a believer check it out http://www.blogdelnarco.com/

[thewestside]

Blah blah blah.....

Why does this stupid question always come up? Who would win between this group and that group?

People who actually study this stuff in depth know that it's very rare that two different organized crime groups (in terms of ethnicity) fight each other. They work with each other for mutual profit for more often. The vast majority of the fighting goes on within each group - the clans fighting in Sicily, groups fighting in Moscow, the cartels fighting in Colombia and Mexico, etc.

[mayugastank]

Blah blah blah.....

Why does this stupid question always come up? Who would win between this group and that group?

People who actually study this stuff in depth know that it's very rare that two different organized crime groups (in terms of ethnicity) fight each other. They work with each other for mutual profit for more often. The vast majority of the fighting goes on within each group - the clans fighting in Sicily, groups fighting in Moscow, the cartels fighting in Colombia and Mexico, etc.

depends how you look at it. The Italian mafia has many many times over murdered people in competing organizations. Black numbers runners-Colombian Drug dealers ( roys demeo crew and Tommy Karates and SEVERAL OTHERS) George Barone testified he murdered more then one African American numbers guys who didnt get on the program with what the Genovese wanted. The outfit hit a few blacks who were trying to dip into their rackets. They also steamrolled many other ethnicitys during the chop shop wars. Younger Associates seemed to have made quite a few dealers in Miami disappear. They also routinely jacked Colombians for their coke and then made them disappear. Not too mention how the Gambinos referred to the Westies as their crash dummys guys that were expendable. Not to mention the fact of the Russians who tried to get in on the Gas Scam and were blown away. Also the rivalrys between Italian and Puerto Rican gangs in the 70s.

[mayugastank]

ok so this is the bottom line mutha...... the sinaloa cartel is more powerful than any european organization and i dont care what u say,,, the way i see it the euopean mafias have had over a hundred years to build there empires and its still being rivaled by the sinaloa cartel that only has a littel 20 years in the making... in war the sinaloa cartel will destroy any group you put in is way..... 1 because it has to many members 2 it has money to blow and 3 their tactics to destroy there enemys are barberic... decapitations torture and if thats not bad enough they will kill your family young or old.. heres a website that will make u a believer check it out http://www.blogdelnarco.com/

So this Sinaloa cartel..........how do people become members? In an all our war both groups would have trouble finding out who is killing whom as they btoh dress down and dont telegram their membership. But the LCN is way more powerful and way more discreet. If you check the list Westside put out on membership -youll see that many many guys are in their 80-90s. The LCN in America has been hit hard and if the Mexicans in America had anything like the history and structure of LCN along with a border next door ........the Cartels would rule the entire goverment.

The LCN-doenst have 90 million people to recruit from or 100k hispanic gang members to choose new members from like LA EME does.Despite this New Yorks LCN even NOW has made much much more money and had way more sophisticated plots then LA EME -with 100,000 gang members to choose from.

Sinaloa Cartel is definetly a powerful organization but would they be powerful if they were 1000s of miles away from home with limited recruits and law enforcement who does everything it can to annihilate it? Who would replace the soldiers/captains-bosses?

You got to give credit where its due the LCN -from 1950 onwards has killed probably a 100 people who turned on it-beaten cases by witness tampering-and had up until 1983 only 2 known informers EVER. The Italian mafia in Italy didnt have a made member turn on it from its very begining in the early 1800s to 1980s. 200 years with no one ever knowing the structure or whether it even existed........before Sammy Gravano-Fish Carafora.....people werent 100% positive the mafia even existed.......Joe Valachi was the only guy to ever turn and after him it took til the 1980s to have it happen again.


I dont believe any organization has the history and has had teh ability to silence witnesses and get people into power like LCN has done. No one will ever again.