Which black and hispanic neighborhoods still get along?

[crm]

Are there still black and hispanic neighborhoods that get along, or at the very least are peacefully co-existing with each other?

[alexalonso]

there are many.

- ATC & Harlem
- Rollin 20s Blood & Harpys
- Rollin 20s Blood & Drifters 23rd
- Rollin 30s & 18th Street
- Rollin 40s Darcside and the Street Villains dont appear to be beefing
- Rollin 60s & Florence (i may be wrong on this)

and many more

[crm]

I don't understand how some neighborhoods such as Florencia 13 can claim to be racist..yet get along with certain black hoods. They war with ECC but they peacefully coexist with a blood hood, forgot which one it was..how does that other blood hood tolerate Florencia when they are so overtly racist?

[H572DSTA]

I don't understand how some neighborhoods such as Florencia 13 can claim to be racist..yet get along with certain black hoods. They war with ECC but they peacefully coexist with a blood hood, forgot which one it was..how does that other blood hood tolerate Florencia when they are so overtly racist?

people call em racist because they short minded

whenever a black vs mexican gang is beefin its no gang war..itz a race war

[crm]

There seem to be two opposing messages on this board. One side says there is no race war. There may be a little bit of a rcacial component to some incidents but those are few and far between. If a black gang is fighting a hispanic gang its strictly a gang war but nothing else. The other side says that there is an ongoing race war out there. Blacks and even asians are targeted, even if they do not bang. It is a source of pride among hispanic gangs to see who is the most racist and targets the most blacks. So which is it? It seems as if it falls down the middle. There are some undeniable racial incidents in which a person is targeted simply because of their race, but it is not a full scale race war. If it were a full scale race war then every major hispanic neighborhood would be at war with every major black hood, and that is not the case. There are still neighborhoods of both races that get along with each other. Also, the vast majority of wars are still between hoods of the same race. I remember another poster that said that many of the beefs start as gang beefs but then the racial component comes in as a way to fuck with the enemy and get in their head..kind of like when two sports teams go at it and the opposing team talks shit to get into one teams head and have a psychological advantage over them.

[crm]

But looking at the other side of the coin, if these racial incidents were carried out by a bunch of white guys, then there'd be no doubt that it was racially motivated. I read that in one of the incidents an old black man was targeted by a hispanic banger. Was that not racially motivated? If a skinhead killed an older black man there'd be no doubt in anybodies mind that it was racially motivated but if a hispanic banger does it, there's doubt? Why is that?

[Yohann]

Fruit Town Pirus and Locos 13 in Compton. They share the same neighborhood and get along very well.

[alexalonso]

I don't understand how some neighborhoods such as Florencia 13 can claim to be racist..yet get along with certain black hoods. They war with ECC but they peacefully coexist with a blood hood, forgot which one it was..how does that other blood hood tolerate Florencia when they are so overtly racist?

I dont think anyone from Florence is saying that they are racist. That is the media. The Bishop Bloods and Florence share turf and are not beefing so it is not a race think

[alexalonso]

There seem to be two opposing messages on this board. One side says there is no race war. There may be a little bit of a rcacial component to some incidents but those are few and far between. If a black gang is fighting a hispanic gang its strictly a gang war but nothing else. The other side says that there is an ongoing race war out there. Blacks and even asians are targeted, even if they do not bang. It is a source of pride among hispanic gangs to see who is the most racist and targets the most blacks. So which is it? It seems as if it falls down the middle. There are some undeniable racial incidents in which a person is targeted simply because of their race, but it is not a full scale race war. If it were a full scale race war then every major hispanic neighborhood would be at war with every major black hood, and that is not the case. There are still neighborhoods of both races that get along with each other. Also, the vast majority of wars are still between hoods of the same race. I remember another poster that said that many of the beefs start as gang beefs but then the racial component comes in as a way to fu-- with the enemy and get in their head..kind of like when two sports teams go at it and the opposing team talks shit to get into one teams head and have a psychological advantage over them.

which incident is undeniably racist?

[crm]

Wasn't there an incident where a black janitor was killed?

[alexalonso]

Wasn't there an incident where a black janitor was killed?

I am not aware of it, and even if a black janitor was killed, just that fact alone does not make the incident racisit. Did they think the black janitor was a crip? Did the janitor say something? was there an argument? If so, what was that argument about? etc.

[alexalonso]

Black & Hispanic gangs that get along con't
- 52 Broadway Gangster Crip / 55 Bunch
- 52 Broadway Gangster Crip / BMS
- Pueblo Bloods / BMS
- Black P Stone - City / Easy Riders

[advocate]

I remember like 2 or 3 years ago I seen a few Pueblo hit-ups & they were wacking out BMS on their enemy list....don't know if they were beefin for a minute or not but I do remember seeing a couple of those tags. Not sure if thats a real beef goin on or noth though. As far as other hoods that aint beefin:

-Venice 13/Venice Shoreline Crips
-Pacoima Pirus/Pacoima Van Nuys Boys (I think Pierce Boyz too)
-18St & Hoovers-my homie who used to be from 18 said they were cool w/ HCG

[crm]

Ah, so then this whole race war thing is blown out of proportion in your opinion? Makes sense to me but at the same time, what about all the NK graffiti? That seems racist to me. They are using the N word..thats offensive to all blacks not just crips or bloods.

[femun]

Where is all this NK graffiti at cuz I've never seen it.

[crm]

I caught that on tv..around the time when that young girl was killed by the 204 st..Alonso was walking around pointing out the NK graffiti in the general vicinity of the area and even around the murder scene.

[advocate]

I've only seen 2 hoods strike up NK before-CV Tortilla Flats & I once saw CV70 hit it up (even though i heard they had blacks from their hood). I've seen a couple different hispanic & black hoods hit up racial stuff in their tags but it may have just been to get under the skin of their enemies.

[Yohann]

[quote="advocate"]I've only seen 2 hoods strike up NK before-CV Tortilla Flats & I once saw CV70 hit it up (even though i heard they had blacks from their hood). I've seen a couple different hispanic & black hoods hit up racial stuff in their tags but it may have just been to get under the skin of their enemies.[/quote]

Yeah CV70 has some Blacks, but they're at least in their late 30's. There are no blacks anymore among the youngsters. But this NK thing is very marginal. I know some youngsters from 70 who don't care about race, they don't hate Blacks, but as usual it only takes one or two idiots to give the impression that a whole gang is racist.

As for Compton, I also saw one NK graffiti in the CV3 turf, in 2009, and nothing ever since.

[alexalonso]

The only NK i have ever seen were by:
- 18th Street Alsace click only
- Compton Varrio Tortilla Flats
- East Side 13
- Avenues
- Florencia

Remember, that these sentiments should not be considered a reflection of the entire gang, but to those individuals that write them. it is certainly not a wide spread sentiment.

[xxx]

NK was a hot trend for a minute among some ESE/Chicano gangs. A lot of these dudes felt they had to ride that wave to get respect and acknodgement in the Sureno Community. It was a big deal to take on a Black Gang you got stripes. And if you didnt have a Black Gang in Striking distance, any Black Civilain would do.

You might be able to label the 2000-2009 the Racial Era, for the most park.

This trend lost steam.

i give the lose a couple of factors.

Time, Law Enforcement Rico Acts, fools breaking ranks, eses maturing and opening their eyes to Prison politics on how it was a tactic in war and how they got manipulated with this tactic, etc....

More Black & Chicano gangs are Neutral or Cool with eachother then at War.

[crm]

Weren't there NK tags by 204st hood after that young girl was killed?

[crm]

I don't get it though..so it's only some members of the gang? Wouldn't it make sense that the more ranking members would approve/condone that behavior though? They certainly don't disapprove. If they did they wouldn't allow it.

[Jmedina239]

INGLEWOOD 13/ IFG x CPF

WS/SC 18ST/52x50x74x83 HOOVA

FLORENCIA 13 LS/ R 60'S

FLORENCIA 13 LS,MDS/62 BRIM/ HPB

[xxx]

There are more black and Mexican gangs that get along then don't get along

[crm]

It seems that most black gangs and Hispanic gangs fight..but it doesn't always seem to be racial. They just fight because there are so many gangs out there in close proximity to each other..this creates tension..same reason why there is much more fighting between groups of the same ethnicity/race..they are all near each other.when you bunch people up there's bound to be some hostility..

[femun]

It seems that most black gangs and Hispanic gangs fight..

It only seems that way to outsiders who get all their info from mainstream media. The FACT is MOST black and hispanic gangs don't fight each other.

[crm]

You misunderstood what I wrote. I meant that most of them fight because most gangs fight period. Even if there weren't racial conflicts they would still fight. Just like most hispanic gangs fight each other and most black gangs fight each other..why would hispanic and black gangs be any different with each other? They fight each other like anybody else would..for territory and dominance..same with hispanic on hispanic and black on black.

[Yohann]

[quote="crm"]You misunderstood what I wrote. I meant that most of them fight because most gangs fight period. Even if there weren't racial conflicts they would still fight. Just like most hispanic gangs fight each other and most black gangs fight each other..why would hispanic and black gangs be any different with each other? They fight each other like anybody else would..for territory and dominance..same with hispanic on hispanic and black on black.[/quote]

Exactly! the fact that there are inter-racial conflicts between black and latino gangs (not based on race, but just Black and Latino gangs fighting each other as gangs do) is completely normal to me, especially in South Central, Compton and in other cities where Blacks and Latinos live in the same areas. But the thing that I don't understand is: why from the 1950's to the late 1980's/early 1990's did Black and Latino gang almost ignore each other as if they were playing in 2 different leagues? Blacks mostly beefed with other Blacks, and Latinos with other Latinos, even if there were Black and Latino gang in the same neighborhood (Florencia/Slausons for example...). To me, the fact that they didn't beef with each other at the time is really abnormal.

[alexalonso]

The reason why Black and Mexicans rarely if ever beefed before in the past are a few reasons,

1 When the numbers favored blacks gangs, Mexicans would never dare try to start conflict, knowing that they would loose because of numbers. Whats ironic, is that Blacks in most instances never took advantage of Mexican gangs even though they had the advantage.

2. When the numbers began to become even, during the 1980s, late 80s, roughly the same number of Blacks & Hispanic gang members in South LA, Compton, Lynwood, Watts (always had alot of Mexicans) the South Bay, the same as I stated above was true. Blacks didnt seem bothered by Mexicans, and Mexicans did not want to beef with Blacks.

3. Now since 1993 and through out the 1990s, when demographics began to favor Mexicans, the landscape slowly began to change in a few areas, Venice, Pomona, Compton, West Adams, etc. Now that Mexicans are the majority population in many neighborhoods, they now have taken advantage of those numbers and have some confidence in engaging in conflict with Blacks.

Overall, black gang members are far more violent than Mexicans (and thats an entire different debate), the statistics bear this out, so I believe you didnt see Mexicans threatening blacks until the number favored them, and a little encouragement from La Eme helps too.

[alexalonso]

It seems that most black gangs and Hispanic gangs fight..

It only seems that way to outsiders who get all their info from mainstream media. The FACT is MOST black and hispanic gangs don't fight each other.

true, there was supposed to be this widespread war, but it never happened.

[Jmedina239]

The reason why Black and Mexicans rarely if ever beefed before in the past are a few reasons,

1 When the numbers favored blacks gangs, Mexicans would never dare try to start conflict, knowing that they would loose because of numbers. Whats ironic, is that Blacks in most instances never took advantage of Mexican gangs even though they had the advantage.

2. When the numbers began to become even, during the 1980s, late 80s, roughly the same number of Blacks & Hispanic gang members in South LA, Compton, Lynwood, Watts (always had alot of Mexicans) the South Bay, the same as I stated above was true. Blacks didnt seem bothered by Mexicans, and Mexicans did not want to beef with Blacks.

3. Now since 1993 and through out the 1990s, when demographics began to favor Mexicans, the landscape slowly began to change in a few areas, Venice, Pomona, Compton, West Adams, etc. Now that Mexicans are the majority population in many neighborhoods, they now have taken advantage of those numbers and have some confidence in engaging in conflict with Blacks.

Overall, black gang members are far more violent than Mexicans (and thats an entire different debate), the statistics bear this out, so I believe you didnt see Mexicans threatening blacks until the number favored them, and a little encouragement from La Eme helps too.

I honestly dont feel that was the case! You will never understand BLACK/ESE beef until you live through it yourself! For example look at WS 18 ST. ALSACE/SMILEY they had the GEER', WEST BLVD.'s in there hood for years sharing blocks even though 18's outnumbered them COMBINED, but there was no issues! Until drugs issues came along and BAM! THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD!

or CV TxF they use to live on the same blocks as the FTP'z,same alleys,parks etc. for years!

same as F13 and ECC

its not who outnumbers who , and ,"we're deep now , f_K them fools/niggaz!".. it's all about drugs! MONEY !!! DINERO!!

LOOK AT SC 18ST(AND SOME ws like kbgs 54th) AND HOOVA , no issues same turf same alleys same apartments, AND SC 18 OUT NUMBER THE 74x83 HOOVA'Z 2 -1, 51TG x 52 x 59 HOOVA'Z OUT NUMBER THE WS 18 54 KB 4 -1, no issues!! but what happens when they step on each others toes,when the connect gets steeper? only time will tell!

[femun]

The reason why Black and Mexicans rarely if ever beefed before in the past are a few reasons,

1 When the numbers favored blacks gangs, Mexicans would never dare try to start conflict, knowing that they would loose because of numbers. Whats ironic, is that Blacks in most instances never took advantage of Mexican gangs even though they had the advantage.

2. When the numbers began to become even, during the 1980s, late 80s, roughly the same number of Blacks & Hispanic gang members in South LA, Compton, Lynwood, Watts (always had alot of Mexicans) the South Bay, the same as I stated above was true. Blacks didnt seem bothered by Mexicans, and Mexicans did not want to beef with Blacks.

3. Now since 1993 and through out the 1990s, when demographics began to favor Mexicans, the landscape slowly began to change in a few areas, Venice, Pomona, Compton, West Adams, etc. Now that Mexicans are the majority population in many neighborhoods, they now have taken advantage of those numbers and have some confidence in engaging in conflict with Blacks.

Overall, black gang members are far more violent than Mexicans (and thats an entire different debate), the statistics bear this out, so I believe you didnt see Mexicans threatening blacks until the number favored them, and a little encouragement from La Eme helps too.

its not who outnumbers who , and ,"we're deep now , f_K them fools/niggaz!".. it's all about drugs! MONEY !!! DINERO!!

Your 100% correct. It looks like Alonso is biased. I guess lack of heart has nothing to do with who runs the show.