X raided stabbed by Nortenos

[mayugastank]

In his book the Surenos were enemies but the white inmates did not play any factor in threatening the black inmates livelihood.



TRUE. The book gave an insight into how badly whites were treated by blacks in LA COUNTY. He stated in the book severe beatdowns were given to any unfortunate white-who happened to land anywhere near a black populace. The guards would see this and take oppurtunitys to punish blacks for it. Ive heard storys from homies who said blacks would beat whites and place them into footlockers in county. They would make the whites sleep in a box all night as leisure activities. Any white who dared step out of line would recieve a beatdown only you could imagine. It developed into a game where they would take turns seeing who could knock out a whiteboy with one punch. The Surenos if you take a look back over LA RIOTS and prison riots in general are more united in aggression and provoke sneak attacks.

This is a quote on a black inmates perspective. An example is when in Los Angelos county the Surenos loosened all the bunk bed bolts and desk bolts and dropped them down onto black inmates 2 storys below and sent dozens to the hospital --leading Jesse Jackson and others to call on the Govener to intervene and seperate the races. Surely this should tell you who was on offense.

The blacks in jail are gangsters no one takes that from them -but the black populace doesnt unite. It gives latinos an advantage since any latino who doesnt participate in a riot is either stabbed/sent to protective custody or listed as no good and will be attacked anywhere he finds himself. The situation in Corcoran is another good example of how it is. The black inmate who was killed called his father and told him that he was being forced to fight-and that he wanted to refuse to go out to yard but his reputation would be destroyed and in prison all you have is your reputation. He stated that hispanics would attack any black inmate on sight and that to "refuse to go to yard would make him a coward in his and the other inmates eyes."

A personal story Ive heard was from a Sureno who spent several years locked up. What was happening is that the EME had a presence at his facility and called a race war. This means EVERYONE-chicano-from SOCAL would participate, anywhere at any time. During medical or family visits or at commissary or anywhere, any black not attcked in close proximity was reason enough for the chicano to be blacklisted and stabbed. The guy told me that blacks knew this and refused to take shower call because this was the most likely place for an attack. Later the Surenos took mop buckets and beat the guards who had beaten a Sureno for stabbing a black.

[mayugastank]

VIDEO OF GUARDS KILLING INMATES AT STATE PRISON
__________________________________________________ _______________

Grass-roots group using tape suggesting excessive force was
used unnecessarily

The San Francisco Examiner
Sunday, December 14, 1997
By Elizabeth Fernandez
OF THE EXAMINER STAFF

Two men warily stare at each other inside the prison
exercise yard.

A sudden lunge.

Fists lock.

A furious round of blows.

Moments later, one of the men topples to the concrete and
lies unmoving, mortally wounded by bullets from a prison gun
tower.

Four times this ritualized dance of death transpires, four
times a prisoner dies from a spurt of gunfire by prison guards.

In stark black and white footage, the actual deaths of four
inmates at Corcoran State Prison are depicted in an unsettling
video which, according to its producers, reveals a disturbing
pattern of violence at one of the state's most notorious prisons.

The 40-minute tape, reviewed by The Examiner, shows footage
recorded by prison surveillance cameras of four fistfights
between 1989 and 1993. Each came to a swift and bloody finish
when the inmates were killed by correctional officers armed with
powerful prison-issue 9mm rifles.

Review boards ruled that all four shootings at Corcoran, 170
miles north of Los Angeles, were justified and complied with
state policy on the use of deadly force.

But to the San Francisco-based prisoner rights organization
California Prison Focus, which sponsored the making of the video,
the images provide stark proof that the shootings were wholly
unjustified.

The footage was obtained via pretrial legal maneuvers in a
civil rights lawsuit. The resulting video, edited and narrated,
was first publicly shown Saturday in a Prison Focus fund-raiser
at New College of California. Over the next year, it will be
selectively screened for educational purposes, say members of
Prison Focus, a grass-roots nonprofit that monitors conditions in
state prisons.

Corcoran inmates were used as human bait, alleges the prison
rights group, with guards deliberately placing known enemies --
primarily members of rival gangs -- into the same exercise yards,
turning them into "gladiators" and making violent outbursts a
foregone certainty.

Indeed, Corcoran, one of California's top security lockups,
has been the scene of hundreds of exercise yard flare-ups
provoked, critics allege, by an "integrated yard policy," that
mixes members of rival gangs.

Critics say that the prisoners were gunned down though they
posed no real danger to others.

"This is not just criminal activity by rogue guards, these
are human rights violations," says Dr. Corey Weinstein, a San
Francisco physician and board member of California Prison Focus.

"Lethal force was used on (men) involved in stand-up
fistfights. This is how the state metes out its punishment. Very
little harm could come from a fight like this. These were like
schoolyard stand-up fistfights."

The video, titled "Maximum Security University," is being
unveiled less than a month after the state concluded a criminal
investigation into the alleged use of excessive force against
inmates by guards at Corcoran.

Following the yearlong inquiry, Corcoran was cleared of
charges alleging widespread staff misconduct. Disciplinary action
against 13 staffers, including two dismissals, was made in four
isolated findings of staff misconduct -- none involving serious
injuries.

An FBI investigation into the matter still continues.

Critics charge that Corcoran reports were sanitized and
staff wrongdoing covered up.

"My belief is that officers who want to keep their jobs have
been tacitly instructed to keep the code of silence about what
went on there," says Catherine Campbell, a Fresno civil rights
attorney representing plaintiffs in the wrongful death suit of
Preston Tate, a Los Angeles man killed in Corcoran's exercise
yard in 1994. Tate was a convicted rapist and, like other fatally
shot inmates, a gang member.

"Of course, inevitably they will come up with a report that
does not tell the truth," Campbell charges. "Sacramento doesn't
want the truth to be known and it is in the interests of the
people they interviewed not to tell the truth. That is why a
government agency should not investigate itself."

Christine May, a spokeswoman for the Department of
Corrections, declined to respond to the charges.

"We can't comment without having seen the video," she said.

But Mike Jimenez, executive vice president of the California
Correctional Peace Officers Association, says the Corcoran
shootings should be viewed in terms of the violence that the
incarcerated men were capable of committing.

"I don't know that we are always going to make the right
decision, but the wrong decision is not always made," says
Jimenez, who has not seen the video.

"We are dealing with the most predatory, violent, sadistic
individuals in the whole world at Corcoran. They are out there
trying to kill each other. They know that there is a guard
directly above them yet they choose to fight in front of a man or
a woman who is supposed to use (their weapons) to prevent great
bodily harm. I'm not justifying the shootings, I'm not saying any
of them deserved to die, but these individuals are not kind and
warm-hearted."

Jimenez said that prison guards do not shoot to kill: "We
shoot to disable. We are not all perfect shots.

"At Corcoran there are signs everywhere saying no warning
shots are fired. (Guards) fire the nonlethal methods to break
(fights) up. But everyone knows what will happen next. Why don't
they stop fighting when we fire a nonlethal round? The reason is
they are fighting to the death."

Throughout the state's 33-facility correctional system,
there have been 27 fatal shootings of inmates by guards since
1989 -- seven of them at Corcoran.

The Corcoran footage was obtained as part of the Tate civil
rights lawsuit, scheduled for trial late next year.

After the plaintiff's discovery motion, the Corrections
Department turned over 187 tapes.

"These are the original tapes," says attorney Campbell.
"They show that every shooting death at Corcoran has been
wrongful and illegal. They were all tragic, unnecessary arbitrary
deaths.

"Who got killed depended on who was on duty, who the gunmen
was, and on bad luck."

The footage from the San Joaquin Valley facility shows the
confined exercise space of the security housing unit, bare but
for high concrete walls topped by razor wire.

"This may not be shooting fish in the barrel," says the
narrator, "but it's close."

The four fights are brief, the longest lasting 22 seconds,
says Tom Quinn, a Fresno private investigator involved in the
Tate litigation. He donated his time writing the video's script,
which was edited, also gratis, by Darrin Navarro, a Los Angeles
editor who has worked on such films as "Jade" and "12 Angry Men."

"The crucial issue is that the gunner says he thought that
there was danger of great bodily harm there," says Quinn. But
"these (shootings) were not necessary."

None of the inmates was armed.

In comparing prison footage to the conclusions of the review
boards, the video concludes that omissions and misrepresentations
occur in the official reports. In the shooting of inmate William
Martinez, for instance, the prisoner has taken four steps from
his opponent and "the fight has ended" when he was shot, the
video says.

"It is devastating to watch," says Carla Paulisich,
Martinez's sister, who was born and raised in Oakland. Convicted
of armed robbery, Martinez, 30, was fatally wounded in 1989. "He
was backing up, he had stopped fighting. "My brother was there to
pay his debt and then he would come home and hopefully be a
better person. It has taken eight years for the public to finally
know what happened. I hope people will open their eyes and see
what's going on."

[mayugastank]

Moral of the story? Both blacks and chicanos are looked at as animals by the system and a big part of white America. They dont know-dont care and dont view our lives as a commodity unless we are slaving away in their fields or doing a standup routine they can laugh at like a trained monkey. Preston Tate was murdered on Camera shot dead because -he had no choice but to fight.FIGHT WHO? another man of color locked up by the same person he was locked up by. 2 Surenos attacked Preston Tate and another black inmate because they were given orders by men who told them that if they didnt they would die. BLACK POWER and BROWN PRIDE what a freaking joke. Fucking dead ass inmates as amusement by whitewashed n**@ers and tio taco ass race traitors. These people are evil and I guess we dont ever seek to unite to face it down. So granted they were inmates---this country is so screwed. Racist and Evil and then they wonder why we act like some animals. Take a mans manhood away and tell him he cant even afford to be human and see how he acts. Stupid ass fools fighting over jack diddly squat while their kids and wives suffer and the white woman --tips his wife $5 for cleaning her toilets while her husband pimps his sons on the construction site. I guess we do deserve nothing

[youngspade]

Get a life my nigga^^^^

im out

[Silencioso]

Moral of the story? Both blacks and chicanos are looked at as animals by the system and a big part of white America. They dont know-dont care and dont view our lives as a commodity unless we are slaving away in their fields or doing a standup routine they can laugh at like a trained monkey. Preston Tate was murdered on Camera shot dead because -he had no choice but to fight.FIGHT WHO? another man of color locked up by the same person he was locked up by. 2 Surenos attacked Preston Tate and another black inmate because they were given orders by men who told them that if they didnt they would die. BLACK POWER and BROWN PRIDE what a freaking joke. #%@&#%@ dead ass inmates as amusement by whitewashed n**@ers and tio taco ass race traitors. These people are evil and I guess we dont ever seek to unite to face it down. So granted they were inmates---this country is so screwed. Racist and Evil and then they wonder why we act like some animals. Take a mans manhood away and tell him he cant even afford to be human and see how he acts. Stupid ass fools fighting over jack diddly squat while their kids and wives suffer and the white woman --tips his wife $5 for cleaning her toilets while her husband pimps his sons on the construction site. I guess we do deserve nothing

Nobody's buying your call for black/brown solidarity against the white man. You've dissed black people up and down this and all your other threads. You give credit to Japanese and Italians for originating their style but not blacks.

[youngspade]

Yea silence dis is the same nigga who said mexicans run all pens from every angle then says weve always been on the defense_!!

Lol

[mayugastank]

Talk to MONSTER KODY SCOTT.........who said mexicans (surenos) had won the war in the early 1990s. NOT ME. So although the boy tried hard to show black gang life as he saw it he did keep it real on that aspect. He also admitted throughout his book that blacks WERE NOT UNITED. He also said MEXICANS WERE UNITED. Write him or the editor and explain to them why you know more then a guy who spent his entire teen and adult life locked up.

[mayugastank]

Moral of the story? Both blacks and chicanos are looked at as animals by the system and a big part of white America. They dont know-dont care and dont view our lives as a commodity unless we are slaving away in their fields or doing a standup routine they can laugh at like a trained monkey. Preston Tate was murdered on Camera shot dead because -he had no choice but to fight.FIGHT WHO? another man of color locked up by the same person he was locked up by. 2 Surenos attacked Preston Tate and another black inmate because they were given orders by men who told them that if they didnt they would die. BLACK POWER and BROWN PRIDE what a freaking joke. #%@&#%@ dead ass inmates as amusement by whitewashed n**@ers and tio taco ass race traitors. These people are evil and I guess we dont ever seek to unite to face it down. So granted they were inmates---this country is so screwed. Racist and Evil and then they wonder why we act like some animals. Take a mans manhood away and tell him he cant even afford to be human and see how he acts. Stupid ass fools fighting over jack diddly squat while their kids and wives suffer and the white woman --tips his wife $5 for cleaning her toilets while her husband pimps his sons on the construction site. I guess we do deserve nothing

Nobody's buying your call for black/brown solidarity against the white man. You've dissed black people up and down this and all your other threads. You give credit to Japanese and Italians for originating their style but not blacks.

SO? I gave blacks alot of credit -for motown/east coast hip hop movements/rap and basically all popular music genres/sports and fitness/the ability to retain an identity for 400 years despite white aggression seeking to strip them bare/ on and on and on..........what I dont give them credit for is the entire CRIP AND BLOOD west coast tatted up and dickies and flannels lowriding graff and hand signals /gang structures and stacking and much of what chicanos made mainstream. Ive said that theyve biten and stolen and havent acknowledge the roots of these things and I SAY IT NOW!........Crips and Bloods are chicano lites. The uniform and codes are way too similar then to be ANYTHING ELSE. There arent anything like the kids throughout all American citys and states with WAY WAY MORE blacks then in Los Angelos. 1 out of 100 blacks live here yet despite this their biggest gang problems come from HERE. If that doesnt say it all then I dont know!

[youngspade]

50s - 60s = whites owned

70s-80s = blacks owned

90s = mexicans owned especially in 93 after that meeting nd blacks killing eachother over wearing red or blue!!

2000-2006 = mexicans still were on but blacks got the message after the eme ordered blacks to be killed.

2006-Present = blacks are gaining the upperhand with blood nd crip alliances nd tons of peace treaties nd mexicans are losing ground nd unity with bulldogs, border brothers nd maravillas!! Nd dint forget the others who are gaining numbers who ride under blacks.

Anything but this BS, sit down gringo

[femun]

Again your talkin g outta your ass.

[youngspade]

Again your talkin g outta your ass.

Blood you goofy stfu nd nobody knows yuh nigga, aint yuh that wetback that praise the 13 like allah, suck my COJONES. I like how yuh jus post but dont show me where im talkin out my ass yuh dumb nigga, suck a wet dick pendejo! Your worst than magyua

[FAVELA9]

if black gangs ran the pen x raided wouldnt have to be pc'd up

[youngspade]

Nigga. Stay in pasadena where its mansions nd wwhite people yuh woyldnt kno about Groovin, Movin nd suuwoopin, yu wouldnt kno abt the 10-50 peace treaties going on in black hoods.

Yu dont get calls frum the pen nigga, i do blacks are still ignorant but aint going for yuh mexican power trips. Looks yall got mexicans jumpin ship like no other blood yuh kno nothing on black m****

[youngspade]

if black gangs ran the pen x raided wouldnt have to be pc'd up

This is why i stop coming here, ima a mf veteran, but i never once said blacks run the pen, i said mexicans dont run everything everybody runs sumthing damn idiots

Nd fuck x rated

[MMRbkaRudog]

if black gangs ran the pen x raided wouldnt have to be pc'd up

Really? I wonder who's smarter, you or stank ass?

[youngspade]

if black gangs ran the pen x raided wouldnt have to be pc'd up

Really? I wonder who's smarter, you or stank ass?

Thas my nigga!!!

[youngspade]

50s - 60s = whites owned

70s-80s = blacks owned

90s = mexicans owned especially in 93 after that meeting nd blacks killing eachother over wearing red or blue!!

2000-2006 = mexicans still were on but blacks got the message after the eme ordered blacks to be killed.

2006-Present = blacks are gaining the upperhand with blood nd crip alliances nd tons of peace treaties nd mexicans are losing ground nd unity with bulldogs, border brothers nd maravillas!! Nd dint forget the others who are gaining numbers who ride under blacks.

Anything but this BS, sit down gringo

Can anyone rightfully dispute this??

[policyking52]

Talk to MONSTER KODY SCOTT.........who said mexicans (surenos) had won the war in the early 1990s. NOT ME. So although the boy tried hard to show black gang life as he saw it he did keep it real on that aspect. He also admitted throughout his book that blacks WERE NOT UNITED. He also said MEXICANS WERE UNITED. Write him or the editor and explain to them why you know more then a guy who spent his entire teen and adult life locked up.

In his book Cody said "Mexicans were winning the war" he didn't say they had WON the war. I believe he was only refering to the specific prison he was in at the time, which was Pelican Bay if I'm correct. It's been a long time sense I read that book. Now let's keep it real when we say Mexicans are united to a large extent they are but let's not forget that Eme and NF are bitter enemies which trickles down to Surenos and Nortenos being bitter enemies which have never united. Also let's not forget about sets like the Marvilla who refused to unite under the Sureno umberlla nor pay taxes to Eme. Also the Fresno Bulldogs refuse to unite with Sureno or Norteno. So, Mexicans may be more united than blacks, but the idea that they are one solid united front is a myth.

[MMRbkaRudog]

In the early 90's the south & north were not united, but bulldogs I believe weren't completely disowned yet & MV was sur at that time. I'm not sure when exactly sur backed up bds, but they didn't pay taxes & got stuck by themselves. MV supposedly still gets to ride under sur in prsion tho..

[FAVELA9]

x raided is probably celled up with a homosexual or child molestor on that yard , he probably raps to other inmates while his cellmate dances to put on a full show.

[policyking52]

[quote="mayugastank"]What this should tell everyone is the absolute truth of the system in California---many would say that hispanics arent the shot callers amongst all races but that is patently FALSE. Hispanics SUR/NORTE will attack every race and usually they are the aggressors its only after numerous sitaution like this that retaliation takes place. That is unbiased reporting and that is EXACTLY how it is.I know blacks/whites will take offensive and deny it ---but this and many other situations show it openly. I speak to a friend every now and then who is locked up and he tells me a little as much as he can of what happens in there and their are times when SUR is told to kill any black on sight --well the best place for thsi to happen is in the showers and well........blacks now this as well and refuse their shower calls for weeks on end. The sitaution in Corcoran is another good example ---Surenos declared war on blacks--and they would crack the yards to let different groups go at it.....many blacks refused to be locked in a recreation yard with a Mexican because they knew the Mexicans were coming for blood with shanks and that irregardless of fear the mexican would stab them by the shear terror of knowing that if he didnt stab said black he would be stabbed instead....by his own people. Sur is run like an army in prison and any man is expendable. If a Sur decides not to follow orders and stab said "___________" he would face the ultimate penalty possible death and disfigurement. The murder by the guards of the black guy who was killed during one of the gladiator fights tells a very true story and if you read between the lines it shows and rings true of what the worst prisons in CA are like. The black guy had spoken to his dad and told him he was having to fight when he didnt want to .........the Surenos had declared war on blacks.........and if he didnt attend yard he would look like a punk he asked his dad to pray for him and hoped to leave that prison alive ----teh next day he was shot dead by a sniper while a Sur attacked him with a shank. Thats how it is.

If I'm understanding your post correctly you are saying that it will take several attacks by a hispanic before let's say a black or white will respond? I find this show of weakness highly unlikely in prison. A reading of Boxer Mendoza's book the black hand listed an instance where Eme approached a black shot caller about allowing Eme to attack a black inmate and the black shot caller refused which is what according to him led to that major riot at Pelican Bay. If what you were saying was true why would Eme have to ask permission? Another instance he notes was of a Crip leader who "allowed" Eme to hit certain black trouble makers without retalition again why would Eme need this permission if it what you clai is true.
I've always heard that Nortenos don't generally attack blacks because of the NF BGF alliance maybe you know something different I would be interested in hearing. Also Surs do attack whites but I don't believe they will be do quick to attack an AB and if they did it wouldn't take several attacks before the AB retaliated.

[policyking52]

Its nothing to be proud of but its pretty much true. I read a book detailing California prisons in the 1960s and the author and prison officials likewise said the Surenos at that time ran the situation even then....they made up about 15% of the population but were hands down in control--with far more white and blacks. Reason? Idealogoy. Race.

Mexicans even back then were indoctrinated to believe in Racial Ideology akin to the Japanese--they also felt as outsiders in a hostile enviroment of racism on the streets. Whites would frame and routinely beat the snot outta inmates in and out of prison -so what developed as a code of no cooperation and no trusting those outside your race amongst the Chicano bangers. This led to a group think solidarity ---that both whites and blacks did not have. Read the book Soledad brother and youll see that even George Jackson admits to the unifying racial consciousness amongst Chicanos ---he also devoted some paragraphs to the pysche of the black man and his demeanor towards his brother. Competition and hatred is somewhat how he described the black inmate. This inability to unite under a "race" amongst blacks left them vulnerable. If a mexican chose to stab and or kill a black --their might be a black who retaliates but he has no fear of unifying black power to retaliate. Meaning: they did not act as a solid group. They were also more so likely then chicanos and even whites to be police informers.....another theme brought about by divide and conquer.

Monster Cody said " if a mexican lets out a cry for help you'll be fighting a 100 of them" If a black does he is on his own....their is no black collective in prison or out of it. HIS WORDS NOT MINE!

In the book Monster -he wrote that Surenos had handidly won the War for control of the prisons--remember this was in the early 1990s...........the Sureno and Chicano population wasnt even 25% then...........these are his words AGAIN.

Although its nothing to be proud of its the absolute truth. Racial Unity stronger then that of both whites and blacks made Chicanos both North and South the top dogs. Its kind of like a suicide bomber ----how can he be stopped when he is ready to die for the cause? In this case young chicano bangers were indoctrinated with the "cause" being racial superiority and racial heirarchy against a hostile country/judicial system and opposing racial groups.

To say that Surs ran the prison even in the 1960s is a stretch. If that were the case there would have been no need for Eme to form. Mexicans have pretty much always ran with the whites that's where their power comes from. Just like at the start of American Me, the chartarer Santana is seen saying "make sure I the Aryan Brotherhood is backing us up" as they are about to fight the blacks. I agree with what Monster Cody said. This can also be seen in a situation with George Jackson recalled that in one prison he was in it seem to be a unspoken rule that in the tv room whites were in front, then hispanics then blacks in the back. He decided to sit in the front and the first day it was let go the next day he was attacked and he stated he received no help from the blacks.
However this is starting to change as the war against blacks is so heavy they are said to be uniting and it's spilling over to the streets. I was recently reading an article about a police officer who pulled over a car and it was bloods and crips in the car and the officer asked them what are you all doing together going around looking for Mexicans? The occupants then let out an uneasy laugh.

[FAVELA9]

what happened to x raided situation ?