Criminals (CLS) v. Poserz (PRZ)

[xxx]

How can you recall some Sex Jerx turning 60's, but you cant name any?

Sounds more like speculation then fact.

West Flats Sex Jerx in the View Park Area disband after Lil Corkey Died around 1994.

South Flats Sex Jerx claimed 87th Street & Normandie but got pushed out after baby Sidewinder from ETG got killed. The ETGs were on their heads.

In the late-80s, the South Flats pretended to be Eses pushing 13 and had Wall Bangin Wars with F13 Locos who were in the Area at the time.

Sex Jerx were never a territory gang with mulitple members covering continuous blocks that formed a solid consistent Neighborhood.

They were a School House Party Click with scattered members living all over the place.

They were not involved in traditional gang bangn and drug slangin on the blocks they hung out on.

One lived on Deane avenue so it became a brief hang out spot. another lived on 87th street and that became a brief hang out.

Once the local Gangs turned up the heat, both clicks disbanded and relocated to over areas or quit all together, grew up and got jobs.

[MrLAX]

Here the real deal no kut Straight pure shit....!!!!! One of the main heads from CLS was from PRZ hes older brother is Sniper from PRZ in the late 80 shit was really cracking in the apartments they called the projects the homie gangster had gotten shot in the face at young age so sniper decided to have his lil brother jumped out mousey known has Cisco from CLS then around the 90 he was tagging CLS and ask for approval from the main PRZ in the streets two guys from the two active clicks at the time to start CLS and they agreed having bigger plans for the future but at the end around 2000 before the projects got knock down the new generation click the lil tokers started giving them the blue just cus the CLS where out bounds they were given the Nines a area between avaition and la cienga off abor viate but they started tagging in PRZ area and that where the drama started first beating them up then shootings before the projects where knocked out until they were totally gone from the area not by choose but by force ....Has for why they ran with the Southside cus they liked there style and how they acted compared to crips or bloods...And the name is kinda where it comes from being what they weren't but still gangsters who didn't care if the name sounded dumb or ridiculous it was part of there history so they ran with it not caring what people think cus ain't the name that makes us but the actions and respect that it carries til this day remember a name is just a name it's is history what truly counts and they still til to this day they active and around they have other enemies other then CLS ING 18 ....But they only truly worry about those that really pose a threat and come to there area....Yeah it's in Westchester but don't get it twisted cus Ull find out real quik that a gangster is a gangster by how he lives he's life not by his residence

[ChopperWSCriminals99]

Here the real deal no kut Straight pure shit....!!!!! One of the main heads from CLS was from PRZ hes older brother is Sniper from PRZ in the late 80 shit was really cracking in the apartments they called the projects the homie gangster had gotten shot in the face at young age so sniper decided to have his lil brother jumped out mousey known has Cisco from CLS then around the 90 he was tagging CLS and ask for approval from the main PRZ in the streets two guys from the two active clicks at the time to start CLS and they agreed having bigger plans for the future but at the end around 2000 before the projects got knock down the new generation click the lil tokers started giving them the blue just cus the CLS where out bounds they were given the Nines a area between avaition and la cienga off abor viate but they started tagging in PRZ area and that where the drama started first beating them up then shootings before the projects where knocked out until they were totally gone from the area not by choose but by force ....Has for why they ran with the Southside cus they liked there style and how they acted compared to crips or bloods...And the name is kinda where it comes from being what they weren't but still gangsters who didn't care if the name sounded dumb or ridiculous it was part of there history so they ran with it not caring what people think cus ain't the name that makes us but the actions and respect that it carries til this day remember a name is just a name it's is history what truly counts and they still til to this day they active and around they have other enemies other then CLS ING 18 ....But they only truly worry about those that really pose a threat and come to there area....Yeah it's in Westchester but don't get it twisted cus Ull find out real quik that a gangster is a gangster by how he lives he's life not by his residence

Blasphemy, last time words were blurted by such poser L.Crow was caught in a alley squaring off with Cisco only to punk out. Was witnessed by 9 Criminals and your homeboy Blacky. Cisco was known in his childhood by Inglewood as Topo and Mousey but never from any gang.

Was Sniper esteemed to the point that enabled Cisco to run rampant? Highly doubt it, not with the hard-core homeboys you claimed to have back in the 80’s and 90’s. Fact is there was no one there to issue permissions or repercussions.

You’ve been misinformed. The “shit was real in the Jays” that you speak of was built by The Crime Gang with their bare hands. As aforementioned WSCLS members were raised there, were molded by it, when you fools were merely tourists.

Now you keep reiterating about the homie Puppet which is true. But at least we acknowledge our comrade. That’s just how we were brought up, with CLasS. You on the other hand have failed to mention your homie that died in the projects which kicked off this beef. Did you even show up to his funeral? Doubt it. And you have also failed to acknowledge your black homie that passed in early 2000 and the other one from April 2015 right there as well off Ramsgate and Manchester.

[ChopperWSCriminals99]

by richardprz1 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:10 pm

I live in Inglewood I grew up with Inglewood 13 because brother was Inglewood 13 he don't Bang anymore he was banging in 80s and 90s.There was a black mexican gang call Poserz13 they were /mostly blacks in 80s and early 90s now they are mostly mexicans. My brother got shot three times on the chest but his homeboy got kill they thought it was Lennox 13 but my borther went to a bar in Westchester few years later and seen the guy that shot him and kill his homeboy is fat short Mexican from Poserz 13 got off his white ford hit them up and started to shot but didn't say any hood. richardprz1

@MrLax

As a matter fact here's your homeboy lying about having' a brother from Inglewood on page 1.

and lol@ posers giving The Crime Gang the Nines or anything. They were raised there young simp. Everything you CE' there was built with hard work.

The biz is that you fools were riding coat tail since day 1 and just got a bit to heavy to keep carrying.

[Rudog]

Saw PRZ hit up on a sidewalk in the LAX area recently. Bunch of cracked out car windows on that st.. I'm guessing it was most likely parked by ppl catching flights, but I wouldn't park my car there.

[Caligirl2010]

Some of y'all have given good info, most of y'all are confused... Like Eazy E said, "Im'ma break it down just to tell a lil story, straight out the box, from the gangsta category...

In the early 80's, there were various gangs/cliques that formed in the areas of Santa Monica, Venice, Hollywood, West Hollywood, and around the Wilshire area. They were a mix of punkers and stoners, and many took on some of the ese/cholo styles, like clothes and graffiti. These gangs/cliques included, but are not limited to, LADS, SxR, Suicidal Tendencies, and Drunx (too many to name here). Racially, this is mostly a white-boy scene, but there were often Black and Latino dudes that were included. These groups formed various beefs with each other and fought all over the areas of Santa Monica, Venice, Hollywood, West Hollywood, and the Wilshire area. No guns were involved, rarely were weapons involved at all... mainly fights at parties or parks.

From what I understand, the Drunx broke up in about 1983 and some started to call themselves Poserz 13 and others started calling themselves Winoz 12. The 13 reflected marijuana, not Sureno; 13 had not even really started being used by eses at that time as Sureno, but many eses, stoners, and others did use 13 to represent marijuana, rifa, etc. M is the 13th letter of the alphabet. Some used "12"(the 12th letter), which was for "liquor".

The gang that is now called W/S Poserz 13 has gone through a few phases over years as the scenes changed, but is still essentially the same group that started in the mid/early-80s. The first incarnation of Poserz was based in Santa Monica/Venice area around a club called 321. The original members were Black dudes that kicked it there, but lived in the areas of Ladera Heights and Windsor Hills, and Westchester, and primarily went to Westchester and Palisades high schools. They were not eses, Crips/Bloods, stoners, mods, punkers, or dancers; really they were a mix of all that. Like I said, most of their actual banging style was derived from cholos/eses: in some ways their dress style echoed cholos, and their graffiti style definitely did (like everyone else LOL). But the dress style was also heavily influenced by the mods, skins, and punkers styles from that time as well; this was the scene that that started from. They were not Crips/Bloods, but since most of the Poserz were Black, they came from families, areas, and backgrounds where this was familiar to them, and were influenced there as well.

There were various dance groups/crews that started to form in early-mid 85 that were centered around the dances/parties that were thrown mostly by Ultra Wave. Some of the Poserz could dance, and may have doubled as members of certain crews, but Poserz itself was never a dance crew. However, they did have their own dance that they were know for called "the Poser" that became popular at many of the early Ultra Wave functions. A few other cliques/gangs began to form within this dance/party scene, such as KODs (Kingz of Drag), SJX (Sex Jerx, started as Prep Jerks at Pali and Washington High Schools), W/S Crazies, One Way Loverz, SxD (Skate & Destroy), W/S PSE (Posse), and many others (too many to name here). By 87-early 88, as the mod/punk/stoner/skins style began to fade, hip-hop and Crip/Blood styles became a bigger influence in this so-called "Trendy" scene.

Later on, other gangs formed... The KODs and Sex Jerx had become Crips by 89 and had completely dropped all ese elements from their banging style. The Winoz (WNZ) seemed to have fallen off the map for a few years, but came back in the late 80's-early-90's calling themselves SCW (South Central Winoz) and were Blood affiliated. Another gang started in the late 80's-early-90's in Inglewood called Mobsterz (MSZ)and were also Blood-affiliated. (Note: The MSZ and SCW [Bloods] cliqued up with the KODs [Crips] to fight the SJX, PSE, and PRZ, weenie ass move IMO). Other gangs during this era included Weirdoz, Pervertz, EWF, MVP, DOM, and others (too many to name here). Many tagger crews had graduated to gang banging and became part of this scene, such as NBT and KWS. As of today, all of these "Trendy" Black gangs have broken up/faded away because either 1) core individual members stopped banging, went to jail, or died, 2) became Crip/Blood sets of their own, or 3) started claiming the dominant gang that was in their area or school. The only exception to this (that I can think of) is W/S Poserz 13, who became eses and bang Sureno to this day. Also, I think that they are the only Sureno gang that was actually started by Black dudes.

PRZ – eses still banging 13
SCW - faded out, probably most claim Bloods now, DLB or ?
KOD – faded out, some may have become 60s, some may have become MFGC, or BYSH…
MSZ – faded out , probably most claim Bloods now, IFG or ?
Weirdoz – still exist on some level in Inglewood as Weirdoz Blood Gang, many may claim Center Park or Crenshaw Mafia…
EWF – faded out, some probably claim some kind of Blood set…
MVP – became Crips (MVPGC) for a while in the early 90s then faded out, some probably claim other gangs now…
DOM – became Darc Side 40s
NBT – still banging actively, now known an Trouble Gangsta Crips 51st St
W/S Posse – became Overhill 60s
SJX – still banging actively as Sex Jerx Crips along Normandie, 87th St & 107th St (South Flatz)… the other cliques of SJX (West Flatz, West Side, Desert Flatz) mostly faded out, though many still claim SJX… many stopped actively banging, many died, and many got locked up. A few from West Flatz bang Overhill 60s…

xxx – when you stated:
“Why would u think Sex Jerks was a click of RSC?

They had a click called South Flats in ETG Hood on 87th St.


Apples and Oranges.

RSC is a street gang.

Sex Jerks are a school house click a trendy gang a party crew.”

No Sex Jerx cliques, including the South Flatz, ever had any love for ETG, despite being in what is considered ETG hood. SJX has many dead homies and niggas locked up for years that will tell you that Jerx is a street gang, not a “school house click a trendy gang a party crew,” although like many other gangs, it evolved from that. Go on 87th or 107th and them that right now, good luck to you… The West Flatz Sex Jerx and W/S Posse had a neighborhood-based relationship from day one, so PSE and SJX were like one big set on Deane Ave and 54th St, at Ladera Park, all around that area. W/S Posse became the Overhill 60s, this is why many people have said that Sex Jerx was an RSC clique. When the West Flatz Sex Jerx effectively broke up in the 90s, a few did turn Overhill 60s.

. None of u fools know shit. I'm Spooky from Pozerz

You most certainly are NOT Spook from PRZ.

[Caligirl2010]

The Black Pozerz of the 1980's and the Poserz 13 today are the same Gang.

STRANGER, SPOOKY, CROW, BOXER, ONE PUNCH, CARTOON, BLACKY, FLACO, LAZY, DOPEY, GRUMPY, ETC...AREA ALL ORIGINAL BLACK POZERZ, THEY ARE THE BIG HOMIES TO THE POZERZ 13 GANG IN THE LAX AREA.

GRUMPY AND DOPEY WERE THE FIRST POZERZ TO LEAVE IN THE LAX AREA OFF ARBA VITAE AND AIRPORT BLVD, ALL THE MEXICAN POSERZ CAME IN THE AREA CAME THREW THEM.

POZERZ HAD 3 AREAS SANTA MONICA, WINDSOR HILLS, AND WESTCHESTER/LAX.....THEY ONLY HAVE LAX NOW, THE ONES IN THE WINDSOR HILS AREA PARENTS STILL LIVE IN THE AREA, PUT THEY HANG IN THE LAX AREA AND OTHER WEST L.A AREAS.....

You forgot Sleepy and TK (although one was never really to sure about TK's affiliations)

[Caligirl2010]

The Black Pozerz of the 1980's and the Poserz 13 today are the same Gang.

STRANGER, SPOOKY, CROW, BOXER, ONE PUNCH, CARTOON, BLACKY, FLACO, LAZY, DOPEY, GRUMPY, ETC...AREA ALL ORIGINAL BLACK POZERZ, THEY ARE THE BIG HOMIES TO THE POZERZ 13 GANG IN THE LAX AREA.

GRUMPY AND DOPEY WERE THE FIRST POZERZ TO LEAVE IN THE LAX AREA OFF ARBA VITAE AND AIRPORT BLVD, ALL THE MEXICAN POSERZ CAME IN THE AREA CAME THREW THEM.

POZERZ HAD 3 AREAS SANTA MONICA, WINDSOR HILLS, AND WESTCHESTER/LAX.....THEY ONLY HAVE LAX NOW, THE ONES IN THE WINDSOR HILS AREA PARENTS STILL LIVE IN THE AREA, PUT THEY HANG IN THE LAX AREA AND OTHER WEST L.A AREAS.....

You forgot Sleepy and TK (although one was never really to sure about TK's affiliations)

Almost forgot... Creeper (RIP)

[Caligirl2010]

From 1986 til present day Mr Spooky Pozerz gang

Correct yourself - YOU ARE NOT SPOOKY.

[Caligirl2010]

How did Slick die?

Set up by some female. He was shot in his home.

[Caligirl2010]

From 1986 til present day Mr Spooky Pozerz gang

Correct yourself - YOU ARE NOT SPOOKY.

\\I just figured out who you were. My bad! You've been holding down Mr. Spooky from PRZ for longer then the original Spook Nasty - so you earned it Baby!

[WLA PALMS]

MSZ (Mobsters Bloods)- Most became Inglewood Family Bloods, knew some in high school

Weirdoz Bloods- Exist in Inglewood, most of them are from Crenshaw Mafia, jumped 2 of my homeboys in that 99 cents store on Crenshaw Century lmao.

EWF- Faded out of existence, most of them are from R20's NHB and in the valley, some are from Aves R40's Crip.

NBT- turned 51 Halldale Trouble Gang Crip

MVP- mostly faded out of existence, most of the original members from the early to mid 1990's turned SchoolYard Crip, some kept claiming MVPGC around 1998-99-2000

Some of y'all have given good info, most of y'all are confused... Like Eazy E said, "Im'ma break it down just to tell a lil story, straight out the box, from the gangsta category...

In the early 80's, there were various gangs/cliques that formed in the areas of Santa Monica, Venice, Hollywood, West Hollywood, and around the Wilshire area. They were a mix of punkers and stoners, and many took on some of the ese/cholo styles, like clothes and graffiti. These gangs/cliques included, but are not limited to, LADS, SxR, Suicidal Tendencies, and Drunx (too many to name here). Racially, this is mostly a white-boy scene, but there were often Black and Latino dudes that were included. These groups formed various beefs with each other and fought all over the areas of Santa Monica, Venice, Hollywood, West Hollywood, and the Wilshire area. No guns were involved, rarely were weapons involved at all... mainly fights at parties or parks.

From what I understand, the Drunx broke up in about 1983 and some started to call themselves Poserz 13 and others started calling themselves Winoz 12. The 13 reflected marijuana, not Sureno; 13 had not even really started being used by eses at that time as Sureno, but many eses, stoners, and others did use 13 to represent marijuana, rifa, etc. M is the 13th letter of the alphabet. Some used "12"(the 12th letter), which was for "liquor".

The gang that is now called W/S Poserz 13 has gone through a few phases over years as the scenes changed, but is still essentially the same group that started in the mid/early-80s. The first incarnation of Poserz was based in Santa Monica/Venice area around a club called 321. The original members were Black dudes that kicked it there, but lived in the areas of Ladera Heights and Windsor Hills, and Westchester, and primarily went to Westchester and Palisades high schools. They were not eses, Crips/Bloods, stoners, mods, punkers, or dancers; really they were a mix of all that. Like I said, most of their actual banging style was derived from cholos/eses: in some ways their dress style echoed cholos, and their graffiti style definitely did (like everyone else LOL). But the dress style was also heavily influenced by the mods, skins, and punkers styles from that time as well; this was the scene that that started from. They were not Crips/Bloods, but since most of the Poserz were Black, they came from families, areas, and backgrounds where this was familiar to them, and were influenced there as well.

There were various dance groups/crews that started to form in early-mid 85 that were centered around the dances/parties that were thrown mostly by Ultra Wave. Some of the Poserz could dance, and may have doubled as members of certain crews, but Poserz itself was never a dance crew. However, they did have their own dance that they were know for called "the Poser" that became popular at many of the early Ultra Wave functions. A few other cliques/gangs began to form within this dance/party scene, such as KODs (Kingz of Drag), SJX (Sex Jerx, started as Prep Jerks at Pali and Washington High Schools), W/S Crazies, One Way Loverz, SxD (Skate & Destroy), W/S PSE (Posse), and many others (too many to name here). By 87-early 88, as the mod/punk/stoner/skins style began to fade, hip-hop and Crip/Blood styles became a bigger influence in this so-called "Trendy" scene.

Later on, other gangs formed... The KODs and Sex Jerx had become Crips by 89 and had completely dropped all ese elements from their banging style. The Winoz (WNZ) seemed to have fallen off the map for a few years, but came back in the late 80's-early-90's calling themselves SCW (South Central Winoz) and were Blood affiliated. Another gang started in the late 80's-early-90's in Inglewood called Mobsterz (MSZ)and were also Blood-affiliated. (Note: The MSZ and SCW [Bloods] cliqued up with the KODs [Crips] to fight the SJX, PSE, and PRZ, weenie ass move IMO). Other gangs during this era included Weirdoz, Pervertz, EWF, MVP, DOM, and others (too many to name here). Many tagger crews had graduated to gang banging and became part of this scene, such as NBT and KWS. As of today, all of these "Trendy" Black gangs have broken up/faded away because either 1) core individual members stopped banging, went to jail, or died, 2) became Crip/Blood sets of their own, or 3) started claiming the dominant gang that was in their area or school. The only exception to this (that I can think of) is W/S Poserz 13, who became eses and bang Sureno to this day. Also, I think that they are the only Sureno gang that was actually started by Black dudes.

PRZ – eses still banging 13
SCW - faded out, probably most claim Bloods now, DLB or ?
KOD – faded out, some may have become 60s, some may have become MFGC, or BYSH…
MSZ – faded out , probably most claim Bloods now, IFG or ?
Weirdoz – still exist on some level in Inglewood as Weirdoz Blood Gang, many may claim Center Park or Crenshaw Mafia…
EWF – faded out, some probably claim some kind of Blood set…
MVP – became Crips (MVPGC) for a while in the early 90s then faded out, some probably claim other gangs now…
DOM – became Darc Side 40s
NBT – still banging actively, now known an Trouble Gangsta Crips 51st St
W/S Posse – became Overhill 60s
SJX – still banging actively as Sex Jerx Crips along Normandie, 87th St & 107th St (South Flatz)… the other cliques of SJX (West Flatz, West Side, Desert Flatz) mostly faded out, though many still claim SJX… many stopped actively banging, many died, and many got locked up. A few from West Flatz bang Overhill 60s…

xxx – when you stated:
“Why would u think Sex Jerks was a click of RSC?

They had a click called South Flats in ETG Hood on 87th St.


Apples and Oranges.

RSC is a street gang.

Sex Jerks are a school house click a trendy gang a party crew.”

No Sex Jerx cliques, including the South Flatz, ever had any love for ETG, despite being in what is considered ETG hood. SJX has many dead homies and niggas locked up for years that will tell you that Jerx is a street gang, not a “school house click a trendy gang a party crew,” although like many other gangs, it evolved from that. Go on 87th or 107th and them that right now, good luck to you… The West Flatz Sex Jerx and W/S Posse had a neighborhood-based relationship from day one, so PSE and SJX were like one big set on Deane Ave and 54th St, at Ladera Park, all around that area. W/S Posse became the Overhill 60s, this is why many people have said that Sex Jerx was an RSC clique. When the West Flatz Sex Jerx effectively broke up in the 90s, a few did turn Overhill 60s.

[HNIC]

How can you recall some Sex Jerx turning 60's, but you cant name any?

Sounds more like speculation then fact.

Not speculation, there were a few, I'm not gonna publicly name names of who turned what or whether it happened in the pen or the streets.

West Flats Sex Jerx in the View Park Area disband after Lil Corkey Died around 1994.

You know your shit xxx, props... the W/F did pretty much break up after 94-5, but not because Corky2 died JIP. By 1995 SJ had been going for 10 years and had been through different stages. Some were JIP by the time the W/F breakup really happened, others were in the pen/county, others left that street shit alone and focused on hustle and family.

South Flats Sex Jerx claimed 87th Street & Normandie but got pushed out after baby Sidewinder from ETG got killed. The ETGs were on their heads.

You say "after baby Sidewinder from ETG got killed" but SJ was not a street gang? If the ETGs didn't consider them a street gang why would they push them out? Make up your mind homie... Reality is, SJ never got pushed out of the S/F by ETG... but they were on the homies heads real tuff in the later 90s-2000s. They broke up for the same reasons as the W/F, see above...

In the late-80s, the South Flats pretended to be Eses pushing 13 and had Wall Bangin Wars with F13 Locos who were in the Area at the time.

That started when the homies beat one of em down by the bus stop on Manchester/Normandie, they came back an hour later blasting on 87th St with a 12 gauge. I wasn't there but was told from one of the homies that got hit with the buckshots.
As for "pretended to be Eses pushing 13", stop acting brand new, you know where that 13 comes from and the scene behind that, our "13" came from a pre-Sureno perspective, we started writing SJX13 in 1985, stopped using that by 1989 because the meaning of it had changed and so had the whole scene... Was SJ influenced by ese culture? Early on yes... so were GSW and some other Black gangs early in their history

Sex Jerx were never a territory gang with mulitple members covering continuous blocks that formed a solid consistent Neighborhood.

What we called W/F was not just Deane Ave, it was the whole area, we had homies by Triangle Park, over by Ladera Park, on Keniston, Alviso, 60th, 63rd, 57th... this was our turf against our enemies and we held it down against them, no enemies of ours came over there hittin up or starting any funk, if they tried it was dealt with. S/F wasn't just 87th St but that was ground zero, the homies were on 88, 89, 92, 93, Halldale, one of the homies pops owned a liquor store on 96th and Normandie, our first loss came from that area... we used to go and meet the lil homies at the bus stop on Manchester and walk em home, deep as fuck...

They were a School House Party Click with scattered members living all over the place.

I agree to some extent with "scattered members living all over the place"... Even though there were solid members that lived in the turfs that we claimed, there were many like myself that didn't live in either W/F or S/F turf but used to go fuck with the homies on the daily in the S/F and W/F...
SJ was a basically a "School House Party Click" back in 85 yes, this was SJs original scene... by 89 the scene had changed a few times and SJ was a gang but our enemies were not Cs or Bs... Why are you so mad at a "School House Party Click"?, many gangs have started with members that were from these kinds of groups and it evolved into something else... I have heard that some the PBGs used to be PB Dancers at Hami... wasn't there some neighborhood group called Rollin Avenues around the 60s but before RSC that used to have marches and dances and social events? Some ese gangs used to be lil hood football teams... Many cliques attached "Hustler" to their name, did that make them more legit or "down"? I guess if SJ would have changed the name to 87NHC or something like that then that would have made us more legit in your eyes...

They were not involved in traditional gang bangn and drug slangin on the blocks they hung out on.

As for "traditional gang bangn" we banged SJ everywhere, in our turf especially and everywhere else we were. Maybe not so much "drug slangin on the blocks they hung out on" because the W/F was not a drug area like that, but we all got our feet wet in different ways.

One lived on Deane avenue so it became a brief hang out spot. another lived on 87th street and that became a brief hang out.

This is not correct... Several lived on Deane Ave and all around there, and several on 87th St and later on 107th St, and all around there. SJ was always accepted in the W/F, and was accepted in the S/F until 89-90. These were not "brief hang out" spots. SJ was consistently in these areas for 10 years or more, this was our ground zero...

Once the local Gangs turned up the heat, both clicks disbanded and relocated to over areas or quit all together, grew up and got jobs.

Your bias against a "School House Party Click" made you forget those who died or went to jail, this happens to a lot of homies from street gangs, usually not so much for a "School House Party Click"... As for "the local Gangs turned up the heat" somewhat yes for the S/F, no for the W/F.