The Origin of Sagging Pants

[knuckleznbonez]

-I was told sagging started in the prision where prisoners where given loose clothing.

-I was also told saaging started when the police took away the belts of young black males when they were being arrested.

-Can somebody please explan in this thread where, why, when, and how the origin of sagging started?

[fistfullofboomstick]

you got it pretty much on, i heard that explanation as well, see when u got to prison ur belt would be taken to avoid u killin urself or others, and without a belt, and the pants wouldnt fit right, so they would sag, so depending how long the guy was in for, he was used to wearin his pants sagged so when he got out would sag his pants still

[knuckleznbonez]

-Did Prisoners also sag their pants becuase they were homosexuals and wanted sex? - (This is another reason I heard)

[WhiteBoy]

-Did Prisoners also sag their pants becuase they were homosexuals and wanted sex? - (This is another reason I heard)

ive heard that before.

[fistfullofboomstick]

i dunno about that, i guess its possible but gross

[PS1979]

yeah prison style definetly influenced that shit.....but, for everday street style, black LA gangs for sure..made that shit pop off, godfather jimel barnes one of the crip co-founders was sayin in this book "uprising" that all the crips in the mid to late 70's used to sag their pants like that.

[sxr3no]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

[purplecityhello]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

are you serious? you need to be evicted out of your mind haha

[cashville]

started in the pin

[GWUN TWO]

I HEARD THEY NAMED IT SAGGIN CUZ SAGGIN BACKWARDS IS NIGGAS??

[WhiteBoy]

I HEARD THEY NAMED IT SAGGIN because SAGGIN BACKWARDS IS NIGGAS??

damn, ive been hearing that term for years and im really supprised that i never noticed that.

[Anonymous20]

you got it pretty much on, i heard that explanation as well, see when u got to prison ur belt would be taken to avoid u killin urself or others, and without a belt, and the pants wouldnt fit right, so they would sag, so depending how long the guy was in for, he was used to wearin his pants sagged so when he got out would sag his pants still

that is a great example of how prison life can institutionalize people to maintain the prison life style while out and free. I knew a guy that wore his money bag from around his neck for about an entire year after his release.

[slickkilla]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

What u sayin man is Just bull. None of us Hispanics is tryin to be black. We just like the style so we rock it. Im from NY the Heights n all u see is all us Dominicans up here rockin it.

[PS1979]

dominicans are basically mullatoes with spanish surnames.
It dont surprise me that they'd get their sag on.
on them it dont look so ridiculous, but Mexican cholos trying to sag, yeah that shit looks a lil' odd.

[slickkilla]

Them mexicans just OD on there saggin. The short with some really really big pants which dont look proper.

[Skillz]

heh, well when I was in middle school I got suspended for saggin'. The next day they had me and my mom come to the principle's office. The lady explained to me and my mother that "sagging" was not a fashion but a prison thing. She said since they don't allow belts in prison cuz they can be used for weapons they give the inmates clothing, often a couple of sizes bigger, and they would have to wear it. Then when they were released they were used to it and it was a "low life" thing.

[TheReal]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

*How about mexicans who rap?

[sxr3no]

dominicans are basically mullatoes with spanish surnames.
It dont surprise me that they'd get their sag on.
on them it dont look so ridiculous, but Mexican cholos trying to sag, yeah that shit looks a lil' odd.

Exactly, thats what I am talking about. All of you fools from the caribbean and shit that live in NY, BK and shit like that dont really matter to me I'm talking about the vatos down here in So Cal up there you usually see more blacks then hispanics so if you dress like that is cause maybe you dont wanna look like an outcast. U know

[sxr3no]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

*How about mexicans who rap?

WTF like who? I never seen a chicano or a salvy rapper saggin.

[Panik]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

well if saggin means you trying to be black, what does it mean to wear your pants 10 sizes toobig and pull them up to your belly button. Are cholos just trying to be old white men?

[sxr3no]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

well if saggin means you trying to be black, what does it mean to wear your pants 10 sizes toobig and pull them up to your belly button. Are cholos just trying to be old white men?

Shiiiiiiit not even homes Everybody wears a bigger size you know that right, every one. Is just that us well me, I dont wanna be sagging cause like like I said b4 to me that shit is for blacks, when I dont wear my pants pass my belly button I wear them a little bit below it like four fingers below it but never under my fvcking butt U know. I aint trying to look like an old white man is just that I aint trying to look like a black fool either.

[TheReal]

Shit likle that is usually for black peps I hate to see hispanics sagging and shit to me thats stupid there is no reason for a hispanic fool to be sagging like the blacks do, unless they think they are black like those pretty boys do

*How about mexicans who rap?

WTF like who? I never seen a chicano or a salvy rapper saggin.

*Naw man, what I'm saying is, if you don't like mexicans (or salvis) doing things that black folks do, then how about those mexicans (and yes, salvis) who rap?

Do you understand my question?

[slickkilla]

U guys is just sayin that that Saggin originated from u black folks but as many other people said it originated in Jail were there are all races Hispanics, White, Black, Asians, n more. So all them races been rockin the sag all along. N to tell the truth us hispanics rock that sigin so nicely lol.

[TheReal]

U guys is just sayin that that Saggin originated from u black folks but as many other people said it originated in Jail were there are all races Hispanics, White, Black, Asians, n more. So all them races been rockin the sag all along. N to tell the truth us hispanics rock that sigin so nicely lol.

*Yeah, it may have originated in jail, however, the folks to codify this type of dress on the street-level, were black folks. I remember back in the day, when mexicans/chicanos were hardly sagging (as well as doing a lot of things they presently do today), the way some are doing now. And when they weren't sagging, guess what group of people were? BLACK FOLKS! Hell, my uncle who grew up in the 50's and 60's, would sag his pants, but that's for another discussion...

[slickkilla]

I been seeing Dominicans n PR's rockin this in NY for the longest

[TheReal]

I been seeing Dominicans n PR's rockin this in NY for the longest

*Maybe so, but so have black folks on the east coast as well...Besides pr's are primarily mulattos, or at the very least-afro mestizos; whereas dominicans are practically black-so there's not that much difference.

[slickkilla]

Yeah Dominicans are a mix of many races

[Cold Bear]

I been seeing Dominicans n PR's rockin this in NY for the longest

*Maybe so, but so have black folks on the east coast as well...Besides pr's are primarily mulattos, or at the very least-afro mestizos; whereas dominicans are practically black-so there's not that much difference.

So what are you saying, the real reason PR's and DR's sag is because they are part black, or that because they are ethnically related or similar to Black americans that it is somehow more natural for them to pick up a common dress habit than a Central or South American Latino, or Asian, or White?

[TheReal]

I been seeing Dominicans n PR's rockin this in NY for the longest

*Maybe so, but so have black folks on the east coast as well...Besides pr's are primarily mulattos, or at the very least-afro mestizos; whereas dominicans are practically black-so there's not that much difference.

So what are you saying, the real reason PR's and DR's sag is because they are part black, or that because they are ethnically related or similar to Black americans that it is somehow more natural for them to pick up a common dress habit than a Central or South American Latino, or Asian, or White?

*I'm expressing the latter part of your statement, which somehow overlaps into the first part of your statement.

[Cold Bear]

I could understand the second part of that statement being point blank, understandable, and all that, but to state that PR's and DR's BEHAVE a certain way BECAUSE they are Black is kinda on some controversial shit. But you are not stating that literally, right? You're just pointing out that a particular trend or style will most likely spread quickest amongst people that share a common ethnic background, look similar, live similarly... etc.? Do you think that looking outside of those boundaries is "Racial Naivete"?

[TheReal]

To Cold Bear:

I could understand the second part of that statement being point blank, understandable, and all that, but to state that PR's and DR's BEHAVE a certain way BECAUSE they are Black is kinda on some controversial shit.

*It may be controversial, but look at it this way:

Most black folks that are biracial (mulatto types, or what have you), even though many will not refer to themselves as classically black, will nevertheless float towards styles and trends that are commonly associated with black folks. Now mind you, not all do this...

The point is, that with all the talks of prs and dominicans being african-americanized, or acting black, the quantity that you can't take away from these folks-especially dominicans-is the fact that they are people of the african diaspora, and will on occasions, have affinity for trends that are associated with blackness, because of their own cultural ethos.

-But you are not stating that literally, right?

*What I'm not "stating" "literally," is the fact that prs and dominicans act a certain way, because they're trying to act black, rather, I'm saying that they are, who they are, and in the end, that's how it's going to be...

-You're just pointing out that a particular trend or style will most likely spread quickest amongst people that share a common ethnic background, look similar, live similarly... etc.?

*Basically, in a nutshell...

-Do you think that looking outside of those boundaries is "Racial Naivete"?

*What do you mean?

[Cold Bear]

"Racial naivete" or something to that affect, was coined by a Black professor (i don' know the name only the idea), who says that a lot of minorities have ethnic misgivings that he calls 'Racial Innocence', in not accepting their cultural role or 'place' in society is irreparably distinct and in its own category. There is only so much 'crossing over' an individual can do outside of his background, and a certain amount of 'stretching' that can be done socially until that snaps. My problem with this is, the same way you say "PR's and DR's can't help but be them, they BEHAVE a certain way BECAUSE they are Black" carries a reasoning that can be used in racial profiling or in institutional racism AGAINST those same people. Do away with all of it, or take the bad with the good?
I don't agree with the man, but many do. Just sayin...