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WHAT'S IN THE RACIAL DIS' NAMES LIKE WOPS/SPICKS/MAYATES ?

Unread post by Lonewolf » June 13th, 2004, 2:15 pm

What is being implied by a dis' name for another race ? We use names like wops for Italians, spicks for Puerto Ricans, mayates for Blackmen, and so on. But how did those names came about ? What is it derived from ? What's some that you have some intake on ? Are we really insulting someone when we use them, or do some people assume it to be dis' and take it in that way ?

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Unread post by KRDreJ » June 14th, 2004, 4:05 pm

I remember some whiteboy calling me a spick but at the time I didn't know what it was.

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Unread post by BabyJesus » August 15th, 2004, 5:27 pm

lonewolf wrote:What is being implied by a dis' name for another race ? We use names like wops for Italians, spicks for Puerto Ricans, mayates for Blackmen, and so on. But how did those names came about ? What is it derived from ? What's some that you have some intake on ? Are we really insulting someone when we use them, or do some people assume it to be dis' and take it in that way ?
I thought spic wuz a offensive word for ALL hispanics. i think it came from when hispanics sed, "I no spic english" I aint sure if das true but it sounds like it could be.

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Unread post by E`S`T » August 16th, 2004, 5:43 am

THATS INTERESTING^^^I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHERE THAT CAME FROM....

ALSO, WOPS, I THOUGHT MEANT "WITH OUT PAPERS"..SO THAT COULD BASICALLY APPLY TO ALL IMMIGRANTS....

AS FAR AS BLACKS ARE CONCERNED, TINTO, MYATE, TERONE, ETC. I FIRST HEARD THESE TERMS GROWING UP IN THE VARRIO WHEN THE OLDER HOMEBOYS WERE WARRING WITH HARBOR CITY. NATURALLY, I STARTING USING IT WHEN I GOT OLDER.....

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Unread post by BABY_LOCS » August 16th, 2004, 5:55 am

I BEEN CALLED A SPIC AND A BEANER..BUT NEVER A WOP..1st TIME I'VE HEARD IT THO..NE WAYS, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I WOULD HEAR MY HO EGIRLS CALL THE NEGRAS THAT IN SCHOOL AND IN OUR BARRIO...I DINT START USING IT UNTIL THE WHOLE MEXICAN VS BLACK THING WENT ON

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Unread post by BIGG LISTO » August 18th, 2004, 12:28 pm

A Wop is an Italian. They dont like that word.
If your in San Diego just go to Lil Itaily, thats Wop Town hood.

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Unread post by RuthlessCray » August 18th, 2004, 12:43 pm

so isnt the gang named "Wop Town" its like dissing all Italians..

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Unread post by BIGG LISTO » August 18th, 2004, 1:07 pm

Thats how I take it.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 18th, 2004, 2:03 pm

I don't think there's many if any Italians in the Barrio WOP TOWN, but I've also found out that wop can be translated to mean "dandy" like a happy go lucky wiseguy.

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Unread post by Panik » August 18th, 2004, 2:09 pm

I heard the me no spic no english too from my cuban homies parents.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 18th, 2004, 2:17 pm

spic
PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: spk KEY
VARIANT FORMS: also spick
NOUN: Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a Hispanic person.
ETYMOLOGY: Alteration of obsolete spig, a Mexican, short for spiggoty, perhaps from an accented pronunciation of (No) speak the (English).

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Unread post by BIGG LISTO » August 18th, 2004, 2:23 pm

lonewolf wrote:I don't think there's many if any Italians in the Barrio WOP TOWN, but I've also found out that wop can be translated to mean "dandy" like a happy go lucky wiseguy.
Ya I dont think their are many Italians left around that area but the area were Wop Town is at is called Lil Italy.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 18th, 2004, 2:25 pm

Simon, I always stop at the GRAB & GO for those good deli sub's.

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Unread post by BIGG LISTO » August 18th, 2004, 2:34 pm

Were's that Grab n Go at homie so that I can try it out. I love a good deli sandwich.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 18th, 2004, 2:38 pm

Get off the 5 freeway on Hawthorne - like if you're going to the harbor, go south to India (a couple of blocks) and you're there - right on the corner - can't miss it.

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Unread post by BIGG LISTO » August 18th, 2004, 2:44 pm

Gracias homie, Ill try to check it out on Friday. I got interview for a jale around their on Friday.

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Unread post by Charles_Kimble » August 22nd, 2004, 1:48 am

ANY WHITE BOY OR NIGGER CALL ME A SPIC ILL SHOOT THEM IN THERE UGLY FACE

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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 22nd, 2004, 5:26 pm

Charles_Kimble wrote:ANY WHITE BOY OR NIGGER CALL ME A SPIC ILL SHOOT THEM IN THERE UGLY FACE
If you don't get killed first for calling them nig's.

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Unread post by Panik » August 23rd, 2004, 11:21 am

[quote="Charles_Kimble"]ANY WHITE BOY OR NIGGER CALL ME A SPIC ILL SHOOT THEM IN THERE UGLY FACE[/quote]



LOL. funny guy.

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Unread post by Watcher 666 » August 27th, 2004, 7:11 pm

Can someone here tell me what is offensive about the name " cracker " ?

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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 28th, 2004, 6:05 pm

I can understand real well why a black man would get all pissed off when called the "N" word, but knowing full well what the word "Mayate" means, I can not relate that easy how it can be compared to the "N" word.

I know that now a days there is too much sh-t between Blacks & Mejicanos, therefore Mayate is taken to be just as offensive as any other word said in anger or with hate, and it can go both ways with say a Black Man calling an Ese a Mexican in the wrong tone or frased in a way that would of been just as well to have used the name beaner or wetback.

This goes precicely to my question on where does the word Mayate come from and what does it mean? For instance "beaner" is used in a deragatory way, but basically it means a bean eater right? And the same deragatory usage for "wetback", but all it really means is - illegal immigrant - right?

Now, does anybody know what Mayate means?
Does it equal with the "N" word?
What is the politically correct word for a Black person in spanish?

I put forward this question because I have gotten some flak for using the word Mayate myself, therefore I'm welcoming a dialogue on the word and meaning itself. I don't want to make this a racial issue but a learning communication dialogue.

I feel that if I use the word PINACATE, TERRON, MEMIN PINGUIN, CHANATE to name a few of the words us Mexicans use in a "real" deragatory way on Blacks, then I would be just another racist s.o.b. on this site. But all I have dome with using the word Mayate is simply speak as we truly speak amongst ourselves, not even giving it a second thought, not being racist, not feeling superior to anybody, "just simple street language". CAN ANYBODY FEEL ME ON THIS?
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Unread post by RuthlessCray » August 28th, 2004, 6:12 pm

Negros? instead of Mayates..i guess...im not so great with spanish..

to tell you the truth, i dont get too offended to hear "wetback" or "beaner"..number 1 because yeah im chicano but i was born here so i know im not a wetback. and second, "beaner" if it means you eat beans then so what..i do eat beans, beans are good.lol..i actually hate the word "mess-ican" more then anything else.

and LoneWolf..about the PM's.nah i cant still.. but thanks homie i appreciate it.
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Unread post by RuthlessCray » August 28th, 2004, 6:34 pm

lonewolf wrote: I feel that if I use the word PINACATE, TERRON, MEMIN PINGUIN, CHANATE to name a few of the words us Mexicans use in a "real" deragatory way on Blacks, then I would be just another racist s.o.b. on this site. But all I have dome with using the word Mayate is simply speak as we truly speak amongst ourselves, not even giving it a second thought, not being racist, not feeling superior to anybody, "just simple street language". CAN ANYBODY FEEL ME ON THIS?
thats something ive tried to explain before to other people but they usaully dont understand me. probably because im not good at explaining things. from what i know, alot of times when mexicans are talking they use words like mayate just to explain something. it aint always out of racist hatred. but it could be at times.

actually i was talking to someone not too long ago and he was talking about how in spanish sometimes guys call each other names alot but it isnt taken as serious all the time but if you were to say the same things to somebody else in english who isnt mexican it might seem more serious?
do you think thats true or nah.......

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Unread post by Bumper » August 28th, 2004, 8:05 pm

Here it goes from the Hub city Urban dictionary;;;; The word Mayate:

In spanish the slang word (Mayate) is used to describe a dark person of any race not only of african Americans, ricans, cubans etc.

Its like when you say hello in spanish to a black and or dark person of any race "orale" mayate...... whats up ! The word originates from the slow moving large flying insect/beatle that seems to just bumble around as it flies, its colorful looks real dark green & black but the insect seems to us purpoless in its movements just cruising around in circles not doing any thing.

Alot of kids at least in my growing up and family would grab them and put some sewing string thru their wing and you can fly them aroung like a kite. you get real creative as a kid growing up broke as a joke.


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Unread post by Common Sense » August 28th, 2004, 8:29 pm

Thanks for the invite:

I believe most people are not down with being insulted, especially if it's based on their race or skin color. Derogatory names are specifically designed to put someone down, devalue that person and make them less than human. So what we feel may be a harmless "dis" could be opening up a bag emotional hatred.

I feel it's better to leave race, culture and family out of it. People really take it to heart.

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Unread post by Young Nile » August 28th, 2004, 8:36 pm

This is an interesting thread...

Learning new things... Never even heard of the phrase "WOP".
Spic, I never understood where that came from either.

I lived in Phoenix for a few years and when I lived out there Most of all my running partners where Mexican. Before going to Phoenix living in LA I was use to Blacks & Mexicans getting along. Only not getting along over gang issues. However in Phoenix Blacks and Mexicans have been haiting each other for the longest. So I would here the word Mayate. A whole lot...

Now I was always told that there was a distinction from being called a Mayate and being called a Negro. I use to here alot of Mexicans use the word Negro or Negra. My homeboys would tell me thats just a way to call Black people a Black person. They would tell me that when someone uses the word Mayate that is the way to call a Black person a Nigger...

So I would just start peeping. Then I would start noticing the difference. Mexicans that would use the word Negro would not come off as Hostile as versus someone using the opposing word. Mayate...

After that I have allways felt that way. If I would here the word Mayate to me thats disrespect. But the word Negro wasn't disrespecfull at all...

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Unread post by Young Nile » August 28th, 2004, 8:38 pm

Charles_Kimble wrote:ANY WHITE BOY OR NIGGER CALL ME A SPIC ILL SHOOT THEM IN THERE UGLY FACE
THATS IF I DONT DRAW HEAT AND BLAST YO ASS FIRST..........

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Unread post by CHRIS » August 28th, 2004, 9:29 pm

Young Nile wrote:
Charles_Kimble wrote:ANY WHITE BOY OR NIGGER CALL ME A SPIC ILL SHOOT THEM IN THERE UGLY FACE
THATS IF I DONT DRAW HEAT AND BLAST YO ASS FIRST..........
THERES BEEN AN INFLUX OF FAGS

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Unread post by BIGG LISTO » August 29th, 2004, 11:14 am

Honestly I grew up using the word Mayate but I never took it the same as the word ni..er(No Disrespect). Like Bad Boy said, everyone who was dark skinned was called a Mayate whether they were black or not. But these days people associate the word Mayate with Ni..er. Its like when they would call me Messi-can. The funny sh.. is am not Mexican Im Salvadorean. The fact that they would say Messi-can wouldnt bother me unless they were saying some sh.. like" Fu..in' Messi-cans" I just took it as that was the way they would say Mexican. The sh.. that would bother me was when you tell them "Im not Mexican Im Salvadorean " they come out with "Its the same sh.." You see I dont care if you think Im mexican but if Im telling you Im not then you gotta understand that. Then you got the people that call Salvadoreons, Cerrote. Ive heared alot of black people call Salvi's this. But nobody has ever called me a Cerrote to my face unless it was somebody that I was firme with and they were clownin' around. Ive also had people say Cerrote in front of me thinking Im Mexican and when I would step up they would act all scary and sh..
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Unread post by Lonewolf » August 29th, 2004, 4:33 pm

Without using the dictionary for what a mayate is, as some have pointed out the green/black beetle description. I will tell you about how I came to understand why us Mejicanos use the word when referring to blacks.
I'm sure some of you are familiar with my interest as where and how words originate, like "cholo" and "mayate", both can have deragatory implications when used by some people the wrong way, however just like we don't think much of the word "cholo", we also don't think much of the word "mayate" either. They are just a form of differentiating, but not deragatory as some people use it, or some people take it.

Anyways, my understanding goes this way.
1st, "MAYA" from the calo word "mayugar" like in "como mayugas" translated to mean "always focking" like always focking with someone.
2nd, "TES" from spanish ending for the word "alto'tes" translated "tallest"

If you combine these two, you come up with "mayates", to define the word to mean "tall m'fockers", because they are tall and always focking around.

Now when we use the word "chanate" then we are really referring to a "dark insect", and being meant as deragatory.

When we want to be politicaly correct, we use the word "morenos" because even the word "negros" can sound deragatory, just like "mexicans" if used in such a way.

Now the way I feel about it, is straight up like this, If a mexican can never be a blackman and vise-versa, and each race has its own way of communicating that diferentiates it as unique, with its own ways, then why are you going to take one word out of context from its meaning among that particular race, and turn it into a racial issue, as opposed to learning the ways and getting the feel for the other side. One knows when a word is used in anger or in a demeaning way, but if a mejicano can call another mexican "que ondas pinche buey" translated "what's up focking idiot", and a blackman can call another blackman "what's up my nigg'r" and both not ending up being taken as offensive unless meant that way, that is exactly why I say that my usage of the word "mayate" is hard for me to relate it to the word "nigg'r". It is a common and simple way of communication among mexicans, jus like when we refer to anglos as gueros/hueros = whites, or "gringos" which is another one of those words to which we can also debate and talk about, but "it is simple communication among us M".

DID I EXPLAIN MYSELF, OR DID I NOT GET MY POINT THRU TO ANYONE?

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Unread post by 562_HOMIE » August 29th, 2004, 5:00 pm

Over here in Playa Larga homies are startin to use Sopilote instead of mayate because they'res been alot of tripin on the word, I think words like mayate, sopilote, tinto, chanate were just made up to replace negro because I remeber they use to take that word offensively. We use these words when your talkin about tintos in spanish, not necesarily smack but things we don't want them to hear thats why we started sayin sopilote because they start catchin on to the other words and think ones disrespectin their race because they don't know what were sayin..

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Unread post by Panik » August 29th, 2004, 5:07 pm

here's my take. It don't matter what mayate means literally in spanish. what matters is that all of you maxicans know that this word offends blacks. Whether it should or not doesn't matter. The fact that you would continually use the word when you know it is offensive, means that you are using it only because you want to offend, or you don't care that it offends. So, I think any mexican using this word is fair game, and should not be surprised when stole on or dumped on for talkin shit.

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