Ranch San Pedro

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Unread post by Shox112 » June 8th, 2007, 6:41 pm

Lonewolf wrote:SAN PEDRO

Aka “SAN PIPAS”


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S.P = The Port of L.A. together with Wilmington (Wilmas) . . .

S.P. flies the flag color of Black & Gold and the SUR 13 Blue flag.
The Black & Gold comes from the High School football team, the Pirates.
Amongst the lids that S.P. has sported are the Pittsburgh “Pirates” and the Seattle Mariners.
The hand signs in a double-handed Big “S” and several others depending on the particular varrio or clique. The main varrio is Rancho San Pedro, Aka The Ranch. The name taken from the Rancho San Pedro housing projects built in the early 1940’s located within the borders of (E) Santa Cruz Street, (N) Mesa Street, (S) Harbor Blvd. and (W) 3rd. Street, centered around Rancho Park on Centre Street & 2nd. Street. The Rancho San Pedro housing projects together with the Verdes Del Oriente apartments are also home to the Dodge City Crips. The name Dodge is a mis-translated English equivalent of Rancho that was adopted by the Brothers that formed their own gang in the early to mid 1970’s. The actual turf claimed by Rancho San Pedro incorporates basically all of San Pedro, south of Cabrillo Street all the way down to the Harbor waterfront.. Rancho San Pedro’s cliques are the following (incomplete list) . . .
SANTOS
LOCOS
8 TH STREET LOCOS
3 RD STREET LOCOS
MIDGETS
16 TH STREET LOCOS
14 TH STREET LOCOS
SANTA CRUZ STREET LOCOS
12 TH STREET TROUBLES
2 ND STREET PROJECTS
The RSP hang outs were many and spread out, never in the same place most of the time. Peck Park, Leland Park, Rancho Park, 2nd Street & Centre, Royal Palms, Point Fermin, Averill Park (The Hole), Cabrillo Beach, Summerland/Rena Park, 12th & Palos Verdes, 16th & Centre or Mesa, 3rd & Cabrillo, Oliver & Center, all of them depending on what was happening out in the streets.
Rancho San Pedro semi-gets along with most other SP Varrios like Varrio Leland Park from the neighborhood north of the Harbor Freeway surrounding the park that carries the same name. Leland Park old borders are more-or-less the following . . .
(S) Gaffey Street
(N) Leland Street
(W) Sepulveda Street
(E) Miraflores Avenue
Their initials are;
LP, LxP, LPSP, LPH, and LPB
Their cliques are:
Hoods, Boys and Locos
Leland Park is presumably a break-off from RSP. That area was commonly referred to as the Leland Park Neighborhood, hence the name taken by the Leland Park “HOODS” clique.
RSP also has a love-hate relationship with the olden Park Western Loma Varrio that originated in the hillside ravine area off of Western Avenue and Park Western Drive. The PWL original residents lived on the San Pedro hillside facing the Harbor east of Leland Park over by Channel Street. These residents were later relocated into the new housing development named Channel Heights, while most of the lower-income residents were pushed into the Housing Projects called “Western Courts” section of the Channel Heights Housing Complex. The Western Courts Projects were located in the ravine area tucked-in just below Western Avenue and could be accessed through Park Western Drive. The name Park Western Loma was taken off the intersection of, if I remember correctly, the Park Western Drive & Park Loma Drive streets that met up right in the middle of the neighborhood. This neighborhood existed all the way up to 1980 when it was torn down and its residents scattered through-out the Harbor Area. Today, Capitol Drive runs right up the inclined hillside area, and new condominiums line the streets, but in olden times, the Chicano/Mexican community was nitty-gritty looking. There were horse ranches, dirt streets, spooky looking old housing, and the old housing projects in the typical L.A. flats fashion. The streets were real dark and there were also plenty of brush and greenery. The view over the L.A. Harbor below was magnificent, and the many steep dirt paths down the hill many times provided the PWL Homies an escape route from the juras. The place at the end of its days looked like a neighborhood straight out of the 40’s, a lil’ TJ you might say - - at least, the eastern side of the neighborhood, because west of Park Western Drive, the community was very nice looking surrounding their park (Peck Park). Nevertheless, their Varrio was real tight-knit and a happy hood. Folks were friendly and everyone knew each other. La Raza from PWL was made up of both Chicanos & Mexicanos. Peck Park, many times referred by the locals as Park Western, was where the Homeboys and their familias would gather up on holidays & occasions. Carne asada, BBQ’s, lowriders, futbol, beisbol, quinceañeras, weddings, or simple weekend kickback, that was their park and that’s were other Raza from San Pedro could come up and get along with each other in peace. Then came urban redevelopment; city government for many years prior had been working on tearing down the hood. They just could not accept this old Mexican enclave to continue to exist right dead smack in the middle of one of the wealthiest white communities in all of L.A. County. Park Western Loma existed tucked-in between Miraleste, Palos Verdes, Rolling Hills, and the upper middle-class of San Pedro (up the hill as the locals say). No other Varrio bordered PWL. Their closest neighbors were all down hill in Leland Park and Rancho San Pedro. And so, with force of politics and law, the Barrio residents filled with empty promises, just like the old Chavez Ravine Barrio was destroyed, so too PWL was razed. Its residents scattered through out the Harbor Area. First the projects were torn down, then soon after all the homes, and in their place were erected rows of condo’s and townhouses, well-planned with lit and paved streets. Nothing remained to remind the passer-by of the Barrio that once was, not even the trees nor the natural greens. La Raza was not given any chance to move back into the newly built homes; instead, they had to struggle to find a new home for their families. Many moved to other far away places, some to near-by towns like Carson and Longo; anywhere where their economic situation permitted them. Fortunally there were plenty of Homeboys that were able to keep their clan in San Pedro, and these moved down the hill into the main Chicano/Mexican Barrio, which back then (1980) was mainly south of Pacific Avenue and predominantly belonged to Rancho San Pedro. There existed in these grounds plenty of other Raza not affiliated with RSP, and with more Raza flowing in on the regular, it made for some interesting times to say the least. Many of these old and newer un-affiliated Raza were constantly met with rejection and hostility by The Ranch, and so too The PWL Homies were faced with instant beef with RSP. The PWL vatos of them times consisted mainly of the 2 clikas of Malditos & Locos, but within the following year or so, their youngsters created the Chicos clika, the first generation formed outside their original grounds and these Chicos were real Stoners, bien locotes and with a real defiant attitude. Soon thereafter, they began to get it on with the RSP Midgets; then it escalated between the PWL Malditos/Locos and RSP 3 RD ST/Locos cliques. Fortunally most of the conflict did not involve fierros, puros putazos y fileros, and that’s because back in them tiempos, an un-written rule of no cuetes between S.P. Raza was observed by most. Even though things would heat up between some, nevertheless there were always others from both sides who worked hard to cool things off, and beef would die down somewhat or pleitos with out-of-town varrios would unite S.P. Raza against a common enemy like Wilmas or Harbor City. All the S.P. Varrios and Raza Locos never have actually bonded together to fight as one, they all just simply do their own dirt. Some harder than others, some caught up and forced into action, others acting on opportunity, but with many remaining true to the cause. During those early 1980’s, many PWL vatos (not all) began to kick it together with the SPLS (San Pedro Locos) and in particular with some of those who had started up the “Barrio San Pedro” V’BSP’R who were holding up a whole two street section of the RSP projects where Beacon Street and Third Street met, just two block south of the DCC Mob & RSP Ls on Second Street & Centre. BSP consisted of a motley crew of Cholos, Stoners, Bikers & Paisas. All those who either were rejected by The Ranch or by those who refused to join RSP for whatever personal reasons. BSP was kick-started by a combination of people’s, but the main protagonists came from an olden S.P. Car Club called Los “UNITEDS” which was formed in 1973 by several old-school familias of brothers and primos from S.P.. . These older vatos never much cared about gang-banging and shit, and they were mostly about fixing up their ranflas, getting stoned on yesca and partying in the true spirit of San Pipas. Since these older vatos were also “futbolistas y guanteros”, nobody really #%@& with them, but the changing times kept creeping up on them and soon, more and more Raza was found revolving around them; their carnalitos came of age and then came some vatos who were mas locos whom at the same time did not carry the same weight or respect like the older vatos. Before you knew it, the newer Raza and these youngsters from the Uniteds started up their own gang in response to pressure from The Ranch. These vatos had a decent attitude towards anyone who was cool people and it did not really matter to which San Pedro crowd they belonged to or what clika they claimed. Many of the San Pedro Locos and Park Western Loma Homeboys soon gravitated towards this motley crew; even more than a few vatos from RSP joined their ranks. BSP ranks grew by the day with many gente closing ranks with them. The vast majority of non-BSP simply chose to get along with them, yours truly being one of those. The BSP vatos got along well with the LP Boys and no beef ever sparked off between them, and when PWL moved down the hill, these vatos from BSP & PWL were an instant brotherhood. Both thse groups had the same problems, and both these groups seem to carry the same attitude towards “La Vida Loca” and the local street politics, so while I witnessed the Rancheros and the Crips at my front door on Second Street handling their business, the BSP, PWL & SPLS handled theirs down the street. Not all PWL vatos were that firme with BSP, but those that were soon started up plaqueando under one roll-call with BSP and they began striking up like one big clika as “BSPWL” 3 RD STREET. Their block down the street was always jammin’ and it rivaled that on 2 ND ST held by the DCC Mob & RSP. . BSPWL down on 3 RD & Beacon was always happening; the block would be packed all the time and the crowd got so huge that the 2 ND Streeters, mainly the Cuzzins eventually came to the conclusion that it was best to co-exist than to be rumbling with each other. The Cuzzins would score their yesca from the Mexicans and the Mexicans would score their juice from the Cuzzins. Then the rock begings to make a real impact and the Raza Bikers from S.P. kicked-it up a notch with the acid, y los Paisas go heavy pushing that black tar and ice. The vatos from Santa Cruz re-introduced La Carga and bam! Now everyone was on a trip, tempers flared up, hot summer nights adding to the numbers out in the streets, short fuses and uneasy minds, bam, the whole damn Harbor Area seemed to explode into warfare all at once. San Pedro, WS Wilmas, ES Wilmas, Carson, TxFlats, Barrio Pobre, KeyStone, Victoria Park, Gardena, everyone was out gunning for someone, still the partying continued every week while bodies kept dropping. Enter Raza activists like End Barrio Warfare, Barrios Unite and local Veteranos whom start mediating and setting up juntas between the battling camps. They sponsored gatherings at pre-arranged parks and meetings on neutral grounds began to take place. Enemy Varrios meeting up to play beisbols, futbol con refin y birrias began to take place. The Homeboys are encouraged to bring their familias and many do so. The madness amongst some calms down some, but not all vatos attend, nevertheless firme gente is plentyfull while others carry on. . . and in San Pedro? History continues on the making. The DCC Mob & Rancheros semi-alliance breaks down and the whole shit on Second Streets takes a turn for the worse. BSPWL reach their fullest, seems like they grew so quickly, adding so many to their confederation that their differences and loyalties went unnoticed. No real unification ever occurred and they whole scene breaks down. PWL is not recruiting, while more vatos keep moving out. BSP breaks down, the clikas they had incorporated like the original Santa Cruz (Guayabos) and the 11 TH Locos turn towards RSP. The youngsters from Santa Cruz go on to become the RSP Santa Cruz in the later 1980’s and the 11 TH Street locos merge with RSP 12 TH Street, amongst those are some from S.C. ST. . . RSP’s Midgets mostly disappear, and their small short-timers 14 Sreeters also disappear. . Leland Park also stopr recruiting and somewhat disappears, but being that their hood remains, they continue on, small but still around. . RSP then begins to loosen up on it’s recruiting policy, and more and more Raza begin to claim RSP. Before you know it, everyone and their cousin is claiming Rancho. The years go by and everyone who claimed BSP or PWL get’s torcido, OD’s, commits suicide, gets smoked or turn hypo, the rest calls it quits and fade away in the general scene. Even the big ass RSP 3 RD ST clika with it’s dominance over the grounds by the YMCA dies down big time, having suffered many casualties to the same reasons, and their customary out in the open show of numbers and faces jumps in with the low-profile times (R.I.P. to my Third Street Locos). This is where I leave it at . . . more S.P. drama would be nice to learn up on, but maybe it is best to leave the most current news from the hood out; maybe for another time in the future, on account that the entrance by Young Crowd, Calle Oliver, PJS Locos and the rest of the internal problems between some RSP clikas, still somewhat touch on delicate homegrounds issues, besides that “I’m out of the loop”!!!
WHAT U KNOW ABOUT MIAMI'S CAR WASH, TROY BURGER, SPIRE' BURGER, AND PLAYIN BALL AT PECCC PARK 8)

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Unread post by Lonewolf » June 8th, 2007, 7:54 pm

WHAT U KNOW ABOUT MIAMI'S CAR WASH, TROY BURGER, SPIRE' BURGER, AND PLAYIN BALL AT PECCC PARK
Miami's Car Wash? Which one is that? The one over on Pacific and Sepulveda or the one over by 15TH Street & Pacific? I don't remeber them by that name.

Spiro's Burger on 3RD & Pacific was the spot back in the old days, but nowadays = is dead.

Troy's Burger? Is that the one over on Gaffey by the Supermarket? That's the bomb right there.

It ain't PECC PARCC, it is "PECK PARK, Aka PARK WESTERN" :arrow: 8) I got you . . . sh*t man, I never really played bowling but I was a heavy-duty "goalie" in my times. STAR V.I.P. GOALIE!!! The Homies from PWL were "soccer" players and so were the boys from 11TH/12TH Streets.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » June 11th, 2007, 11:09 pm

Thats good that we got someone who knows some old history about a city. Do you know anything of a MSP in San Pedro?

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streetsIswatchin wrote:Thats good that we got someone who knows some old history about a city. Do you know anything of a MSP in San Pedro?
Nothing really. They weren't around when I left town. From my understanding, they're from the Mesa Barrio area, from those streets like Mesa, Sepulveda, Oliver, O'farrell and Santa Cruz, south of Pacific Avenue. They're from the Junior Leagues. This Mesa Barrio, south of the Barton Hill Barrio and East of the Rancho Proyects, traditionally has given rise to many Youngsters that form their own little cliques before they jump in with one of the old cliques. The Mesa Barrio sits right atop this cliff overlookin the first old SP Mexican Barrio on the waterfront which was demolished to make way for Todds Shipyard, which is right under the Vincent Thomas bridge. That was the first Mexican Barrio before they built the Rancho Projects. Thus the Mesa Barrio is heavely populated by Raza. Many many Homeboys from all the SP Varrios and Cliques have sprung up from this area. The original Santa Cruz Locos are from this Barrio. The original SP13 Locos who made a name for themselves as SPLS are also from this Barrio. The old Uniteds are all mostly from this Mesa Barrio as well as from the adjacent Barton Hill Barrio. Calle Oliver originals are also from these two Barrios. Many of the RSP Locos come from this area too, as well as the majority of the defunct BSP Locos. Even the SPStoners, when they went from being a mixed white/black/chicano & islander crowd to a predominantly Clique of Chicano & Islanders, their later more down vatos came from this Santa Cruz/Mesa nh. There's alot of history that's been made by the Youngsters that start out in this zone.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » February 5th, 2009, 3:13 pm

i ask cuz sometimes me and the homies slide down thru san pedro in our rides down to point fermin on sundays. Also i saw some "HXL" Harbor Lomas right. this sounds like an old varrio too. are they from harbor city or are they from san pedro

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Unread post by snino1989 » May 19th, 2013, 11:24 pm

Ive lived in pedro all my life and ive never heard anyone claim park western lomas till flaco died rest in peace. Ive known people from the ranch and dodge and i remember them talking crap about wilmas and young crowd but ive never heard of pwl, leland park, sp stoners, vida calle oliver, mexicans stand proud, barrio sp, hxa13, till i looked at this website. Can anyone tell me any other gangs in sp and where is there turf located and how deep they are? What r there clicks and girl clicks named?

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snino1989 wrote:Ive lived in pedro all my life and ive never heard anyone claim park western lomas till flaco died rest in peace. Ive known people from the ranch and dodge and i remember them talking crap about wilmas and young crowd but ive never heard of pwl, leland park, sp stoners, vida calle oliver, mexicans stand proud, barrio sp, hxa13, till i looked at this website. Can anyone tell me any other gangs in sp and where is there turf located and how deep they are? What r there clicks and girl clicks named?

since you lived in Pedro all your life, why don't you break it down for us? how old are you? 9?

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Unread post by snino1989 » May 30th, 2013, 10:57 pm

Im 24 and my friends arent gang experts and on here it looks like theres some. Most of the crimes below gaffey and i love my city so much and i wish the whole world was crimeless. Just wanted to know more about these names and if theres any turfs above gaffey that are still active cause i know rancho or dodge will bang anywhere.

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snino1989 wrote:Ive lived in pedro all my life and ive never heard anyone claim park western lomas till flaco died rest in peace. Ive known people from the ranch and dodge and i remember them talking crap about wilmas and young crowd but ive never heard of pwl,.
when i moved out of Pedro it was nineteen ninety nine, February to be exact., i had already moved my family out in 98, but i personally did not grab my last clothes and left my pad 'til 1999., right about those times is when EDDIE'BOY died, and I was there at Toberman's for the fundraising together with the PWL Homeboys., lots of gente was there., lots of SP Raza and most of all ~> PWL Homeboys., so you can't tell me that you ain't never ever heard of PWL and you lived in Pedro all your life, 'cause if you didn't, then you weren't around., The Castanedas where there at the gathering, so were the Ponces and Rodriguez, so you could go ask them, and if you don't know those last names or who those camaradas are, then you don't know Pedro!

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Unread post by Lonewolf » May 31st, 2013, 2:34 am

VBSP has long been defunct., VIVA BARRIO SAN PEDRO headquartered down by beacon street in the projects, but they also had their poolhall on Pacific and heavely roamed all over Santa Cruz., in fact, some of the youngsters from RSP'SCST are lil' bro's of OG VBSP vatos., just go ask Cepillin., and everyone knows Cepillin., Cepillin is the godfather of SC ST even though he's not RANCHO., homeboy is still around, so he's findable is you ask around., i can tell you exactly where, but i wont., he he he he :lol:

A gang of locos from them BSPLs i know because i was cool with them and got mighty high with them., CHECO, ART2, FLACO, CHINO (GRECO), CASPER, DIABLO, NEGRO, NEGRITO, HULK, PATO, WOLF, MAGOO (CHINO), CALAVERA, LEFTY, PINO, CUTZO, BULLET (TORO), RAUL, JAVIE, HAPO, TONIO, GABY, CHILO (SAL), PICUDO, TOMMY, TONY, LIL' HECTOR, MATON, LIL' MATON, and a ton of vatos from there., some where straight VBSP, some where SPLS like ROLO, GUS, ARTY, RICKY, Slick RICK y mas., man, I can take you on a tour through the decades!

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streetsIswatchin wrote:i ask cuz sometimes me and the homies slide down thru san pedro in our rides down to point fermin on sundays. Also i saw some "HXL" Harbor Lomas right. this sounds like an old varrio too. are they from harbor city or are they from san pedro
NEITHER.. Harbor Loma is from the little projects at the cross streets of Palos Verdes Drive and Western Avenue., small clean looking projects named Harbor Hills i believe., some people call the area exactly as Harbor Hills, others call it Rolling Hills, but the projects actually fall within City of Lomita boundaries.

Here's the thing, Harbor Loma is not the same as Lomas 13 from Lomita, and i might add that it was not Harbor Lomas in plural., it was Harbor LOMA in the singular., same like the San Pedro Park Western Loma., some people call it PWLomas, but it was not plural, it was singular "LOMA" ., goes the same with East Side Carson Varrio La LOMA..

So there you have it, 3 different LOMA varrios (PWL, VLLR, HxL), and one LOMAS varrio (L13 Lomita/Lomas 13).

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^^How does that work Lobo? Are they connected? Wouldn't that create conflict?

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Unread post by Lonewolf » May 31st, 2013, 7:41 pm

Coup wrote:^^How does that work Lobo? Are they connected? Wouldn't that create conflict?
VLLR (Varrio La Loma Rifa) from Carson has faded and it is no longer active, but they still got familias that rep La Loma. It is said that they have like an annual get together at Dolphin Park every year, but that's about it.

Park Western Loma, their neighborhood was centered around their projects right off of Western Avenue and Park Western Drive, up by Peck Park. The last of the housing and apartments got demolished in 1980, and since then PWL has formally been without a true barrio. All of their familias moved out, some went to Carson, some went to Longo, some even went to Wilmas, and others even moved out of state. But a lot of them moved down the hill into Rancho zone, in fact, a lot of them had already been living down there already, for example, HARPO's familia on Santa Cruz. HARPO joined the Army and his carnalitos all grew up down in Santa Cruz. HAPO, CHIVE, PANCHO. A lot of people from PWL lived there in Pedro for as long as i lived there, and that was two full decades. They were however, a different breed than the Rancheros., way different attitudes. Some PWL were cool and left alone by the Ranch, like Wolfman who lived in the projects and kicked it at the high school with the Midgets. Some PWL just simply did not get any love from the Ranch. It was like that, one night there they are the Homeboys from PWL getting stoned at Leland Park with the Ranch, and next day they're going at it at Royal Palms. Anyways, PWLSP was all San Pedro, nothing to do with any other towns or any other of the LOMA varrios. PWL is gone, and all that remains is some old familias still living through out Pedro.

The Harbor Loma and Lomita LOMAS, i don't really know much about them. LOMAS 13 never ever made any noise the whole time i lived and schooled in both Pedro and Banning. Even in Narbonne where some of the Homeboys from the Ranch went to, there was no Lomita's, puro Harbor City's. I've read that HxL and L13 are somehow cliqued up and now the same, hence the name for Harbor "LOMAS" that resonate in placasos and shout outs, but i really wouldn't know. That Lomita area south of PCH got real grimmy over the years, and that area is where both neighborhoods would connect. That's all i know.

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Thanks

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PWLsp PARK WESTERN LOMA San Pedro Malditos Locos Chicos

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Unread post by Lonewolf » June 2nd, 2013, 2:20 am

This one here is a trippy map from the turn of the last century
it shows Lomita as an oil town, same like Signal Hill
that's a trip because i would of thought of Wilmas being the oil town
if you ever rode around them Wilmington streets
you'll know what i mean
there's oil rigs all over
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Unread post by snino1989 » November 24th, 2013, 10:16 am

What about leland park & sp stoners how deep were they? Were they 13 or sub ranchos? Never seen them hit up before. Ive seen taggings of sp hoods hit up in marker before, is that what leland park is calling themselves now a days? Does sps have a turf?

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Re: Ranch San Pedro

Unread post by Lonewolf » November 24th, 2013, 11:54 am

snino1989 wrote:What about leland park & sp stoners how deep were they? Were they 13 or sub ranchos? Never seen them hit up before. Ive seen taggings of sp hoods hit up in marker before, is that what leland park is calling themselves now a days? Does sps have a turf?
Leland Park was an old varrio in Pedro. I was there a couple of weekends ago visiting my familia. Talking to this old loco of mine, he said they ain't doing nada on the streets and parks, no recruiting, they're just simply getting old and a few young homies gettin in based on family ties, but that's it., Leland Park is really no more. LP was not a sub-clique of RSP, LxP was its own. In the 80s they (RSP & LP) would get high all together at the park overlooking gaffey, and that's when both began to be referred to as the Leland Park Stoners, but it wasn't like they were one varrio or cliqued up, they were just hanging out and smoking together. One of the cuates from RSP kicked it there with the stoner crowd, and he went on to greater fame en la torcida.

SPStoners claim to still be doing something, but i don't know. I been out of the loop for quite a while. I went over to my homie Joker de SPS pad and they weren't there, i passed over by 22nd and they weren't there either, so i don't really know where to find them anymore.

The only Locos i was able to find posted up where some of my boys on 9th and centre, castled up on the little hill apt's.

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